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1 in 4 Americans unaware that Earth circles Sun

specklebang said:
So was my use of "revolve" appropriate or am I in trouble again?
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I'm sure you know it revolves in an ellipse while it rotates on an axis.
Kepler's three laws of motion come in handy here.

Kids have a tough time between circular and rorational motion,
especially when the dumb-ass Math dept. doesn't believe in using Metrics or any other units.
They wonder why they don't get the difference between the three dimensions .
 
Wouldn't be surprised if most of them are Evangelicals
 
Cardinal said:
Many more people are young earth creationists. I'm happily surprised that a percentage of those are willing to admit that the earth orbits the sun.
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You feel better now that you got your religion shot in?

BTW: you would be incorrect also.
 
The Progressive seem to have America right where they want them. Needy and Ignorant.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Good example of why polls are meaningless.
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Polls are meaningless, except the exit polls, which are about 100% correct. This wasn't an opinion poll, it was a knowledge poll.
 
Cardinal said:
Actually, young earth creationism is so spectacularly dumb that it was more a shot at stupid people than religious people.
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That's an interesting claim. Given that home-schooled students are more likely to be young earth creationists, and also score significantly better on IQ and Standardized testing, do you have evidence of the implicit requirement that those two do not correlate within the same individuals?
 
Cardinal said:
Actually, young earth creationism is so spectacularly dumb that it was more a shot at stupid people than religious people.

Gallup has the number of yec's at 46%.

In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins

Other polls have results in the same neighborhood.
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I know a bunch of God-fearing Texans and people from other states, and none of them believe that 10,000 (or 6000) year stuff.

" a random sample of 1,024 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia." This is a perfect example of why I just don't believe these statisticians.
 
No posts criticizing the source. That's at least some everything

Most people don't know the cycles of a four-stroke engine and yet they are able to drive a car.
 
WCH said:
I know a bunch of God-fearing Texans and people from other states, and none of them believe that 10,000 (or 6000) year stuff.
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Which is why I said it's more a stab at stupid people than religious people. The only way that I would take that a step further is in saying that religion is used to rationalize their stupidity.

WCH said:
" a random sample of 1,024 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia." This is a perfect example of why I just don't believe these statisticians.
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As I said, look at different poll results. They don't fluctuate all that wildly.

cpwill said:
That's an interesting claim. Given that home-schooled students are more likely to be young earth creationists, and also score significantly better on IQ and Standardized testing, do you have evidence of the implicit requirement that those two do not correlate within the same individuals?
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I'll be the first to admit that home-schooled students are particularly well educated in the fields of writing and math (nothing inherently threatening to faith about those), and in fact one of DP's own home schooled is, I feel, one of the most well educated people on this board (even in history, which is usually one of the first casualties of home-schooling). After writing and math, though, it's every man for himself. It's compartmental stupidity -- there's no rule that says that a person highly educated in one field can't be spectacularly stupid in another (or just in life in general).
 
Cardinal said:
I'll be the first to admit that home-schooled students are particularly well educated in the fields of writing and math (nothing inherently threatening to faith about those), and in fact one of DP's own home schooled is, I feel, one of the most well educated people on this board (even in history, which is usually one of the first casualties of home-schooling). After writing and math, though, it's every man for himself. It's compartmental stupidity -- there's no rule that says that a person highly educated in one field can't be spectacularly stupid in another (or just in life in general).
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Stupid is a measurement of intellectual ability. It seems like you are retreating to a position that they are spectacularly wrong, but not describing it thus.
 
Cardinal said:
Which is why I said it's more a stab at stupid people than religious people. The only way that I would take that a step further is in saying that religion is used to rationalize their stupidity.
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It could be that in order to counter the anti-religious sector of society, some people have pass that on as fact but, not where I'm from.

I've been to all sorts of Christian churches and have never heard such. And these aren't big city, all-denom churches, these are small town churches where one would think such ideology would exist.

I learned my science right along with my religion.
 
Summerwind said:
Darlin' you're never in trouble. I was commenting on the OP title.
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Oh, I know. Just being silly.

Summerwind said:
But just imagine in a state as large as Texas, how is that enough people are ignorant about creationism-reality to even allow these things? That's what worries me, not that it is suggested or wanted, but that it's allowed, which means lots of folks are either already strangely ignorant, or they just don't care about education.
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Assuming that this is not 100% of the educational platform. I question if it matters. As long as they (children) are taught reading, writing and 'rithmatic, does it matter whether galactic rotations? Lets assume for the moment that I believed the sun rotates around the earth. Or that the earth rotates around the moon? Or if NIMBY and Kepler are friends:)? Or (for NIMBY) that I don't understand the difference between circular or rotational movement? Or the difference between the 4 dimensions?

Obviously, that child has no future in engineering, but that doesn't mean they can't get $45 an hour working on an oil rig. I would think that most of them (children) get past their religious indoctrination and that eventually, they will discover how things actually work.

Do I support this type of nonsense education? Hell NO. But I don't think the ignorance is as widespread as the OP implies. I'm guessing that the families that support this type of education are of lesser than normal intelligence and their children are not genetically qualified for big success. So, does it matter?



NIMBY said:
I'm sure you know it revolves in an ellipse while it rotates on an axis.
Kepler's three laws of motion come in handy here.

Kids have a tough time between circular and rorational motion,
especially when the dumb-ass Math dept. doesn't believe in using Metrics or any other units.
They wonder why they don't get the difference between the three dimensions .
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Thanks for keeping the faith baby!
Johannes
 
grip said:
It's a sign that a small, educated percentage of our populace are in positions of prominence and leadership. The bulk of the masses are not middle class educated anymore or even triple digit IQ.
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I believe the 2008 and 2012 Presidental elections showed that.
 
cpwill said:
Stupid is a measurement of intellectual ability. It seems like you are retreating to a position that they are spectacularly wrong, but not describing it thus.
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Insisting on young earth creationism is stupidity, not just spectacularly wrong.
 
WCH said:
It could be that in order to counter the anti-religious sector of society, some people have pass that on as fact but, not where I'm from.

I've been to all sorts of Christian churches and have never heard such. And these aren't big city, all-denom churches, these are small town churches where one would think such ideology would exist.

I learned my science right along with my religion.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but what are you saying? That YEC's don't exist? Or that they're incredibly rare?
 
Nah, it was earlier than that, it was the 2000 and 2004 election. Seriously who was the evangelical christian in office and who is the elitist snob? When you are so far off the mark when poutraging about Obama, it helps the rest of us keep all your remarks in proper perspective.... ignorant and useless.
 
It is important to note that 6 or so years ago more people would have gotten that question right. However many people now think the world revolves around Obama.
 
Cardinal said:
Insisting on young earth creationism is stupidity, not just spectacularly wrong.
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I'm curious if the word ignorant might be the word you're looking for... stupidity is more a state of ability to learn.... ignorance relates more to one's willingness to learn.
 
Summerwind said:
I'm curious if the word ignorant might be the word you're looking for... stupidity is more a state of ability to learn.... ignorance relates more to one's willingness to learn.
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Ignorance is lack of knowledge. I'm ignorant about Ukrainian culture, I'm ignorant about particle physics, etc. Where one insists on believing something that is demonstrably false is definitely in the realm of stupidity.

But anyway, I'm really not interested in debating the differences between ignorance and stupidity.
 
From the article >"One in three respondents said science should get more funding from the government."<

With the left including the teachers unions, the government is always the solution.

How much of the tax payers money will it cost for a teacher to spend three seconds telling their students that the Earth revolves around the Sun ? $100 million ?

I would be more interesting on seeing the demographics breakdown on these individuals who believe the Sun revolves around Earth. The scuttlebutt has been that besides importing poverty into America we have been importing stupid people who have the "Crab Mentality."
 
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