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Ted Cruz: 60 votes or else on debt ceiling

reinoe said:
If Cruz wants to create another shutdown then more power to him. That's what his constituents want.
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And the other Senators should do as their voters want and not follow a freshman senator down the rat hole to ruin. Time to stop supporting the meaningless posturing of a presidential hopeful and git 'er done.

As some are wont to say in Oklahoma, "yes young man we see your point, now put your hat back on and let's get to work" :peace
 
notquiteright said:
And the other Senators should do as their voters want and not follow a freshman senator down the rat hole to ruin. Time to stop supporting the meaningless posturing of a presidential hopeful and git 'er done.

As some are wont to say in Oklahoma, "yes young man we see your point, now put your hat back on and let's get to work" :peace
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We're already down the rat hole on our way to ruin having followed those other senators. And I think most of us would prefer they stop working on digging us deeper in that hole.
 
clownboy said:
We're already down the rat hole on our way to ruin having followed those other senators. And I think most of us would prefer they stop working on digging us deeper in that hole.
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A shut down has never worked, not back when Newt did it, not a few months ago and certainly not now. :doh

There is a difference between cheap political theater and meaningful measures.

Of course we want the debt to end, world peace and easy girls for all. But most of us know there is nothing easy to any of the three topics I just mentioned...
 
notquiteright said:
A shut down has never worked, not back when Newt did it, not a few months ago and certainly not now. :doh

There is a difference between cheap political theater and meaningful measures.

Of course we want the debt to end, world peace and easy girls for all. But most of us know there is nothing easy to any of the three topics I just mentioned...
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Worked? What are you talking about? A government shutdown isn't a solution, it's a consequence of the failure of the critters to do their jobs. Which in this case is to stop the digging of the hole that is smothering the nation.
 
TheNextEra said:
Of course noone "proposes" it, however, they keep the congress critters in there that DO continue it.
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Deficits are dropping significantly. Their rise and fall had more to do with the economy than anything congress has done. (although a couple wars certainly didn't help)
 
clownboy said:
Worked? What are you talking about? A government shutdown isn't a solution, it's a consequence of the failure of the critters to do their jobs. Which in this case is to stop the digging of the hole that is smothering the nation.
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Worked as in got any meaningful result. Far from it it created more of a hole for the government to dig its self out of. Shutdowns don't follow debts like dawn follows night, it was political grandstand by the GOP, and a very rare one that hasn't changed a damn thing. It was a deliberate power play by the GOP three different times to try and force the Presidents at the time to knuckle under (though I'd opine it was just to play to the radical right base)

This will not change the way things are done in DC, Cruz is doing nothing more than posturing for the 2016 elections. IF the freshman Senator from Texas was serious he'd walk into the Oval office with a significant number for reducing the military outlay, a serious proposal for social security and look Obama right in the eye and say, "now let me see you match this with cuts to what you hold near and dear Mr. President."

But he has no serious intention of changing anything but the office he holds....
 
TheNextEra said:
So let me get this straight. If I max my credit cards and the credit card company doesn't raise my limit, I'm a deadbeat because I won't have money to pay the bills. However, if the credit card company raises my limit and I use it to pay my bills, that is responsible?
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I didn't say it was responsible. However, raising the debt limit is necessary. Default would be catastrophic.
 
I guess there's 'no such thing as too much debt'.
 
Especially from 1981--1993 and 2001--2009, since we're all about blaming and revising on debate politics .:peace
 
It blew $ 24 billion, which the House would not have given to Unemployment Insurance anyway .
radioman said:
Sound advice.
Aside from giving federal employees a two week paid vacation, what did the last debt ceiling fight accomplish?
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notquiteright said:
Worked as in got any meaningful result. Far from it it created more of a hole for the government to dig its self out of. Shutdowns don't follow debts like dawn follows night, it was political grandstand by the GOP, and a very rare one that hasn't changed a damn thing. It was a deliberate power play by the GOP three different times to try and force the Presidents at the time to knuckle under (though I'd opine it was just to play to the radical right base)

This will not change the way things are done in DC, Cruz is doing nothing more than posturing for the 2016 elections. IF the freshman Senator from Texas was serious he'd walk into the Oval office with a significant number for reducing the military outlay, a serious proposal for social security and look Obama right in the eye and say, "now let me see you match this with cuts to what you hold near and dear Mr. President."

But he has no serious intention of changing anything but the office he holds....
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Again, a government shutdown is nothing but a consequence of a failure of the critters to do their duty. It is not meant to achieve anything but rather a consequence of congress not achieving anything. It's the stick that falls when a deadline imposed to make them come together to pass a budget doesn't do the trick.

You're perhaps thinking of the brinksmanship that precedes the missing of the deadline, the game of political chicken. And you're wrong there too, political brinksmanship often does yield a winner. Generally someone flinches before the car crashes. No one wins when the car crashes.

He may be posturing as you suggest, or he may be doing just what the people he represents want, just as he has been. Or it could be both.

That last is pure BS, Cruz would be in cuffs long before he got 100 feet from the Oval Office. That requires an invitation that Cruz is unlikely to be granted.
 
Cruz is trying to keep up with attention Whore R. Paul, what with his NSA lawsuit, drones, and Lewinsky/Clinton mantra.
And Huck and his libido.
And Sarah reemerging.
And CPAC coming up with Christie invited.
And with the Elite-engineered Christie resurrection .
American said:
He's relevant enough to make you start a thread. How many Cruz threads do you have now?
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I love how the Republican establishment in the Senate handled this. There was a reason that it took about an hour for a 15 minute vote. The leadership got retiring Senators and Senators who are safe from Tea Party attacks to break the filibuster. Cruz and his wacko buddies in the Tea Party faction will have no Republicans to attack this year, Senate wise. Of course, they can still whine like little girls.

Great move. :)
 
I'm glad to see this. It seems to drive the left nuts when conservative politicians won't go all roundheels for them.
 
NIMBY said:
Cruz is trying to keep up with attention Whore R. Paul, what with his NSA lawsuit, drones, and Lewinsky/Clinton mantra.
And Huck and his libido.
And Sarah reemerging.
And CPAC coming up with Christie invited.
And with the Elite-engineered Christie resurrection .
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Boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Step up your game.
 
danarhea said:
I love how the Republican establishment in the Senate handled this. There was a reason that it took about an hour for a 15 minute vote. The leadership got retiring Senators and Senators who are safe from Tea Party attacks to break the filibuster. Cruz and his wacko buddies in the Tea Party faction will have no Republicans to attack this year, Senate wise. Of course, they can still whine like little girls.

Great move. :)
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^^^RINO love.
 
So you're okay with Cruz hanging twelve of his fellow GOP Senators out to dry on the debt-ceiling.
Cruz has zero idea of what would happen with a default over his filibuster.
McConnell asked Reid to not read the roll call, so as to keep folks from finding out which SIX GOPs switched their votes on the filibuster.

Even if McConnell is getting ripped today by right-wing groups, he should be okay against Bevin.
This vote, IMO, will help McConnell against Lundergan-Grimes.
The GOP are spineless in the House in public.
All credit to Boehner for falling on the sword with his leadership team and blue/purple state GOPs.

Better ?
American said:
Boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Step up your game.
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And then Reid helped McConnell by not having a roll call vote out loud.
Helped McConnell gather the 12 total Senators he needed to break the filibuster, who then all voted no on raising the debt.
At least 28 House GOPs voted yes, giving this legislation the lowest % vote total for the majority party since records began in 1991 .
danarhea said:
I love how the Republican establishment in the Senate handled this. There was a reason that it took about an hour for a 15 minute vote. The leadership got retiring Senators and Senators who are safe from Tea Party attacks to break the filibuster. Cruz and his wacko buddies in the Tea Party faction will have no Republicans to attack this year, Senate wise. Of course, they can still whine like little girls.

Great move. :)
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NIMBY said:
So you're okay with Cruz hanging twelve of his fellow GOP Senators out to dry on the debt-ceiling.
Cruz has zero idea of what would happen with a default over his filibuster.
McConnell asked Reid to not read the roll call, so as to keep folks from finding out which SIX GOPs switched their votes on the filibuster.

Even if McConnell is getting ripped today by right-wing groups, he should be okay against Bevin.
This vote, IMO, will help McConnell against Lundergan-Grimes.
The GOP are spineless in the House in public.
All credit to Boehner for falling on the sword with his leadership team and blue/purple state GOPs.

Better ?
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McConnell is a deadbeat and needs to GTFO.
 
Is that All?
McConnell falls on the sword for the GOP and has a TEA-primary carpet-bagger in Bevin who will get trounced in the GE .
American said:
McConnell is a deadbeat and needs to GTFO.
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NIMBY said:
So you're okay with Cruz hanging twelve of his fellow GOP Senators out to dry on the debt-ceiling.
Cruz has zero idea of what would happen with a default over his filibuster.
McConnell asked Reid to not read the roll call, so as to keep folks from finding out which SIX GOPs switched their votes on the filibuster.

Even if McConnell is getting ripped today by right-wing groups, he should be okay against Bevin.
This vote, IMO, will help McConnell against Lundergan-Grimes.
The GOP are spineless in the House in public.
All credit to Boehner for falling on the sword with his leadership team and blue/purple state GOPs.

Better ?
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According to the latest poll taken 3 days ago, McConnell leads his GOP challenger Bevens 55-29, but trails Grimes 46-42. I do not think there is any way for McConnell to lose in the primary. But that may be his only victory this year.
 
Falling on the sword for the GOP was an intended consequence for Sen. McConnell, IMHO.
This move at showing he is bi-partisan will help him against Grimes.
The press is ripping both Reid and McConnell for the "secret" vote on the debt.
Reid did McConnell a big-time favor, allowing the silent vote while Mitch was arm-twisting.
Six GOP Senators who changed their NO votes on cloture to YES votes were allowed to do so without saying so out loud.
The previous cloture vote in progress was out loud, but suddenly went silent when McConnell and Cornyn fell on the proverbial sword.
Lean McConnell .
Perotista said:
According to the latest poll taken 3 days ago, McConnell leads his GOP challenger Bevens 55-29, but trails Grimes 46-42. I do not think there is any way for McConnell to lose in the primary. But that may be his only victory this year.
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