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More Federal Privileges to Extend to Same-Sex Couples

Cardinal said:
No one is demanding studies to determine the long term impact of letting heterosexuals marry and, not to be overly snide here, nobody's interested in commissioning you to conduct long term studies of gay marriage before approving its legality.
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More is the pitty.
;)
 
joG said:
I am surprised you have not encountered concrete working theories of possible impacts .

Be that as it may, your question is interesting and after 2 million years of waiting, you are probably right. Running a few field experiments lasting a few decades each would not seem unreasonable. In effect humanity has and is doing this with democratic systems right now. Our society is the largest such experiment.
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I've encountered all the typical dire predictions, none of which have any reasonable foundation in truth, and none which have come to pass. If you want to observe the long term impacts of gay marriage then by all means you're fee to do so, but there is no good reason to expect gays to wait for these studies to be completed before they have their equal rights.
 
Cardinal said:
I've encountered all the typical dire predictions, none of which have any reasonable foundation in truth, and none which have come to pass. If you want to observe the long term impacts of gay marriage then by all means you're fee to do so, but there is no good reason to expect gays to wait for these studies to be completed before they have their equal rights.
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That's what most people with a cause say.
 
joG said:
That's what most people with a cause say.
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Fortunately, rational people are concluding that more than "well, there might be something bad far off in the future" is needed to justify not just giving them equal rights now. But I'll tell you what: please go ahead and continue to study the impacts of gay marriage as it continues to be legal. Just don't take it personally if we don't pay you to do so.
 
joG said:
That is no surprise. But then, you seem to have a preconceived opinion getting in your way.

;)
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Just being practical. If gay marriage had a negative impact we'd probably be seeing at least one or two by now.
 
opendebate said:
From the article:

The government estimates that more than 1,100 federal regulations, rights and laws touch on, or are affected by, marital status. With a memo on Monday, Mr. Holder plans to make several of those provisions apply equally to gay and straight couples.

The federal government will soon treat married same-sex couples the same as heterosexual couples when they file for bankruptcy, testify in court or visit family in prison.

Eric Holder “In every courthouse, in every proceeding and in every place where a member of the Department of Justice stands on behalf of the United States, they will strive to ensure that same-sex marriages receive the same privileges, protections and rights as opposite-sex marriages,”

“As all-important as the fight against racial discrimination was then, and remains today, know this: My commitment to confronting discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity runs just as deep,” his speech said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/u...end-to-same-sex-couples.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1


Happy to say we are getting closer and closer to equality even though it has been relentlessly challenged by the close minded and the fearful every step of the way. We evolve despite them.
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Because progressives and our progressives in government positions PROMOTE homosexuality - which is unprecedented (at least in government).

If homosexuality is not such a "big deal" to progressives then why the **** do you promote it so much and make an issue out of it?

You see progressives always need a social war to rely on - that way they can talk **** about imaginary "injustices" while acting like a bunch of activists instead of doing their jobs (which they have absolutely ZERO idea how to do)....
 
Cardinal said:
Just being practical. If gay marriage had a negative impact we'd probably be seeing at least one or two by now.
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You may be more likely to get a response if you ask "what do you fear the impact will be". Just say'in
 
opendebate said:
You may be more likely to get a response if you ask "what do you fear the impact will be". Just say'in
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You think he hasn't been asked this already? His answer to this is essentially, "we don't know, studies need to be done."

When pressed by Deuce on the matter, this is what jog had to say.

joG said:
Oh, that is quite normal with sociological topics of complex interactions, many leads and lags of varying lengths and large populations involved. I am surprised you wouldn't know that. Such processes are never straight forward or mostly even vaguely fortellable. It is quite naive to demand predictions, especially without research. If you pay me, however, I will put together a proposal of how to structure the studies.
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That's a very flowery way of saying "hell if I know."
 
Mr.Nick said:
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Because progressives and our progressives in government positions PROMOTE homosexuality - which is unprecedented (at least in government).
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Are you saying the federal government is encouraging you to go out and **** a guy? I think you might be confused. They are promoting their civil rights. Just like they promote other oppressed groups civil rights. It is not the act.

If homosexuality is not such a "big deal" to progressives then why the **** do you promote it so much and make an issue out of it?
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Again, civil rights is the big issue. Here is something for you to consider. What if you were the one, part of a group who's civil rights were being denied you? Wouldn't you hope someone of authority would step in and make things right? It makes sense to support and promote equality as a fundamental practice. Like I said, what if you end up a member of such a group someday?

You see progressives always need a social war to rely on - that way they can talk **** about imaginary "injustices" while acting like a bunch of activists instead of doing their jobs (which they have absolutely ZERO idea how to do)....
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The war as you call it begins when there is not equality not when inequalities are protested.
 
Cardinal said:
Just being practical. If gay marriage had a negative impact we'd probably be seeing at least one or two by now.
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You think so? Some of the more severe impacts of female equality are just now starting to affect us.
 
Cardinal said:
You think he hasn't been asked this already? His answer to this is essentially, "we don't know, studies need to be done."

When pressed by Deuce on the matter, this is what jog had to say.



That's a very flowery way of saying "hell if I know."
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He's THE DUDE!! (Big Lebowski ;) )
 
joG said:
You think so? Some of the more severe impacts of female equality are just now starting to affect us.
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Oh, good. I was afraid I'd have to work to discredit you, but it looks like you're set on doing all the heavy lifting for me. Please, enlighten us on the severe impacts of female equality. We're all ears.
 
I keep having high hopes and pipe dreams that one day, free chics will just insist on fornicating even mostly nice guys, not only for the sake of fun and practice for their picker, but also to get to know each other better in modern times.
 
danielpalos said:
why is this even an issue, but for religious bigotry?
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Frankly I think religious reasons are often just a pious platitude for what is basically just good old fashion fear.
 
Cardinal said:
Oh, good. I was afraid I'd have to work to discredit you, but it looks like you're set on doing all the heavy lifting for me. Please, enlighten us on the severe impacts of female equality. We're all ears.
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I didn't think, from what you had been saying, that you probably did not think in the historical dimensions required to gauge sociological change and evolution. But tell me, do you really not see the progression and factors implicated in our present demographics?
 
opendebate said:
Are you saying the federal government is encouraging you to go out and **** a guy? I think you might be confused. They are promoting their civil rights. Just like they promote other oppressed groups civil rights. It is not the act.


Again, civil rights is the big issue. Here is something for you to consider. What if you were the one, part of a group who's civil rights were being denied you? Wouldn't you hope someone of authority would step in and make things right? It makes sense to support and promote equality as a fundamental practice. Like I said, what if you end up a member of such a group someday?


The war as you call it begins when there is not equality not when inequalities are protested.
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Gays have the same CIVIL RIGHTS THAT I HAVE - THAT WE ALL HAVE....

And yes, government and the progressive establishment is encouraging homosexuality - when you're "gay" you get special treatment, when you're a minority you get special treatment, because progressives want diversity and handout cookies to anyone who claims they're gay or are a minority of some sort.....
 
I would LOVE for a progressive to show some examples of how "gays" are being denied their civil rights....

Don't even bother with marriage because marriage is NOT a civil right - if our US constitution forbid homosexual marriage our constitution would have been amended LONG ago considering many states recognize gay marriage...

So give me some other examples of homosexuals being denied civil liberties??????
 
joG said:
I didn't think, from what you had been saying, that you probably did not think in the historical dimensions required to gauge sociological change and evolution. But tell me, do you really not see the progression and factors implicated in our present demographics?
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I took your answer, punched it into Google Translate and got this:

"Uh, actually I was sort of hoping you wouldn't ask me that. I really have no idea what the severe impacts I was speaking of are."
 
Mr.Nick said:
Gays have the same CIVIL RIGHTS THAT I HAVE - THAT WE ALL HAVE....

And yes, government and the progressive establishment is encouraging homosexuality - when you're "gay" you get special treatment, when you're a minority you get special treatment, because progressives want diversity and handout cookies to anyone who claims they're gay or are a minority of some sort.....
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Say you and a friend are climbing a hill, it's hot and dusty and you're both exhausted. He has a 100lb back pack and you don't. If you split the contents of his back pack, which is carrying supplies for both of you, is he getting special privileges? Or are you just choosing NOT to be a dick?
 
Cardinal said:
I took your answer, punched it into Google Translate and got this:

"Uh, actually I was sort of hoping you wouldn't ask me that. I really have no idea what the severe impacts I was speaking of are."
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Then you need a new translator. But let me repeat. Do you really not see the development? I can hardly believe that. I mean, it is so obvious.
 
joG said:
Then you need a new translator. But let me repeat. Do you really not see the development? I can hardly believe that. I mean, it is so obvious.
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Not pictured above: an example of the "severe impacts" of female inequality. You made the claim, now substantiate it.
 
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