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Not a 'Smidgen' of Corruption? Witnesses Say the IRS Targeting Scandal Is Real - And

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NIMBY said:
I didn't know this repetitious mantra was coming.
I better come up with my lame response to it and then hit repeat .
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LOL, be my guest. It is not that I trust the Republicans in the house either. In fact I haven't paid them much if any attention. What I think is needed or was needed is a career FBI agent who is not tied to the administration to do the investigation. I don't trust the Republican House and I don't trust an Obama crony to do the investigation, but would a career FBI officer with no political ties. It is that simple my friend.
 
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j-mac said:
IMO, it is in the 'social welfare' to educate people on fair voting practices, also on the issues of the day.
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Those are political groups. We have non profit status for those too...the difference is you have to disclose information...so that voters can actually inform themselves on who exactly is selling them a specific bill of goods rather than the name of the group like "group of concerned voters" or "people that love America" etc etc.

Oh, ok...So everyone looses the tax exempt status eh? I'll take you at your word..........For now.
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Not tax exempt status. There are tax statuses a political organization is labeled that means that both they are doing good (part of the democratic process) but have to disclose information about their donors.

Social Welfare groups of course are generally considered non-political and don't have to disclose their donors.

As of now...Karl Roves group and Soros' group both have the "social welfare" group status. I think they should both be stripped of it and have to disclose their donors...that way we can be informed.

Money may be speech but if you're going to try to sell something to me through speech than stand by it. Don't cower behind "dark money"
 
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Perotista said:
In fact I haven't paid them much if any attention.
What I think is needed or was needed is a career FBI agent who is not tied to the administration to do the investigation..
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Do you think there are any career FBI agents left who are non-partisan?
They've all been appointed/hired under one patronage system or another.
It's like we have an FBI of "moles", each spying on the other party and leaking damaging information.

I'm still feeling the loss of Pete Seeger, a man who molded your generation.
Where have all the flowers gone?
I didn't recall he was blackballed by McCarthy and Hollywood .
 
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EdwinWillers said:
Not a smidgeon of truth... from the president.
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Actually, he has an amazing ability to compose his responses to avoid lying.
 
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NIMBY said:
Do you think there are any career FBI agents left who are non-partisan?
They've all been appointed/hired under one patronage system or another.
It's like we have an FBI of "moles", each spying on the other party and leaking damaging information.

I'm still feeling the loss of Pete Seeger, a man who molded your generation.
Where have all the flowers gone?
I didn't recall he was blackballed by McCarthy and Hollywood .
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Sure on the FBI, there are quite a lot of agents/investigators who are nonpolitical. There are plenty who haven't donated any money to one party or the other. There are honest men in the FBI who would let the chips fall where they may. The FBI is a lot like the military, they are a few who support avidly one party or the other, but the vast majority are basically nonpolitical and really do not give a rats butt who wins any political election. I am not talking political appointees like Holder or the head of the FBI who ever he is.

There has to be a reason why one of these nonpolitical types was not appointed instead of a very political type who donated to Obama. Am I reading too much into that appointment, perhaps. But that is what Watergate has done to America. I trusted IKE, JFK and even LBJ, even though I knew LBJ was a SOB when it came to political paybacks. But I learned of LBJ's paybacks using the powers of the IRS and the FBI after he was out of office, but while he was in, although I voted for Goldwater, I liked him and backed him.
 
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j-mac said:
Another turning a blind eye, because it is coming from an administration they support....Thanks for once again highlighting this shrub....We were beginning to wonder...:roll:
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Who's turning a blind eye?

I said that when someone gets convicted and sent to prison I'll take a look at this.

What more do you want?

Right now it looks like a time-wasting witch-hunt to me.
 
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Fenton said:
And the Obama administration will continue to ignore the House comittees request for pertinant documents.

When did reasonable intelligent people start equating innocence to someone first apologizing for the IRSs actions and then taking the fifth whrn asked about it under oath ?
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Take a look at all of the Bush mis-administrations appearances before Congress- then come back and tell us all about it.

I've heard this story before.
 
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shrubnose said:
When someone gets convicted and goes to prison, come back and tell us all about it.




Until that happens, I'll continue to ignore this bull****. :lamo
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That's fair, but unless and until an independent counsel is appointed by the Senate there will be no such criminal investigation, charges or convictions, no one going to prison, while Eric Holder remains the lead on such actions.

Just remember, there was nothing, no investigations, no charges, and a lot of Republican minimalizing when it came to Watergate before an independent counsel was appointed, and then a second one, and after the attorney general was forced to resign, etc.

I'm not saying this is anywhere near what Watergate was, but to suggest there needs to be convictions and prison before the matter is taken seriously is to be blind to history.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Congress? Obama doesn't need no stinking congress. These IRS regulations are mere rules - not laws.

There was no corruption (not even a smidgen), or any abuse of IRS power (just ask MSNBC, or Obama) - there was simply confusion over the IRS 501c4 rules (that used to be called tax laws). The Obama solution is really quite simple - just change those "confusing" IRS rules. Since these IRS rules (regulations - formerly kniown as tax laws?) are no longer federal tax laws (those went away some time ago) they can be changed, by the very same federal executive agency that enforces them, to make whatever the current administration wants IRS to do to become the "law oif the land". ;)

GOP wants IRS to drop rule change, calling it politically motivated | TribLIVE
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Just to be clear, the change to the rules was just that. The "law" allowed NO political activity for 501(c)(4)s. The IRS changed the wording, not the congress.

The IRS changes "exclusively" to "primarily" in its regulatory language in 1959.

The law passed by congress STILL says "exclusively".
 
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Not a single thinking person - regardless of party - believed Obama when he said there wasn't a smidgen of corruption in these IRS audits.

He couldn't even say it with conviction. He looked like as idiot as the words left his mug.

He sat there, and just lied through his teeth. Not a breath of character in that guy.
 
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Perotista said:
Sure on the FBI, there are quite a lot of agents/investigators who are nonpolitical. There are plenty who haven't donated any money to one party or the other. There are honest men in the FBI who would let the chips fall where they may. The FBI is a lot like the military, they are a few who support avidly one party or the other, but the vast majority are basically nonpolitical and really do not give a rats butt who wins any political election. I am not talking political appointees like Holder or the head of the FBI who ever he is.
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As for specifics, hit me with your best shot.
I'm more than willing to look at real evidence.
I grow tired of empty platitudes, not that you are doing this, and yes I've been guilty as hell also.
I'll be out until your 7:00 hour or so with errands and Mom .
 
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This has already been solved by the Treasury and President Obama is correct. Here is the report from the Treasury Inspector General For Taxation. Inappropriate Criteria Were Used to
Identify Tax-Exempt Applications for Review Read the Summary on the first page.

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.pdf
 
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pbrauer said:
This has already been solved by the Treasury and President Obama is correct. Here is the report from the Treasury Inspector General For Taxation. Inappropriate Criteria Were Used to
Identify Tax-Exempt Applications for Review Read the Summary on the first page.

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.pdf
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From your own link...

WHAT TIGTA FOUND

The IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review Tea Party and other In their response to the report...

TIGTA does not agree that the alternative corrective actions will accomplish the intent of the recommendations...
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So, TIGTA says wrongdoing took place, and recommended what was to be done, and the IRS said 'yeah, no thanks'....And that solves it?
 
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j-mac said:
IMO, it is in the 'social welfare' to educate people on fair voting practices, also on the issues of the day.



Oh, ok...So everyone looses the tax exempt status eh? I'll take you at your word..........For now.
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Anybody know why they just didn't file for 527s? Would have removed any concern, and they could have devoted 100% of their donations and efforts to politics.
 
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j-mac said:
He probably would have won if it weren't for progressive malfeasance like sicking the IRS on opponents during an election cycle.
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501(c)(4)s ARE FORBIDDEN BY STATUTE TO ENGAGE IN POLITICAL ACTIVITY.

The LAW says EXCLUSIVELY social welfare. An IRS rule changed it to PRIMARILY social welfare.

The groups in question were trying to obtain anonymity for their donors by filing for 501(c)(4) status. That is the ONLY DIFFERENCE from a 527. That and 527s are allowed to be 100% political. The RNC is a 527.

Y'all don't want Mexicans to get drivers licenses but your fine with political groups obtaining permits to which they are not legally entitled, and call attempts to prevent them from abusing the system, abuse.
 
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Fenton said:
And the Obama administration will continue to ignore the House comittees request for pertinant documents.

When did reasonable intelligent people start equating innocence to someone first apologizing for the IRSs actions and then taking the fifth whrn asked about it under oath ?
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Sherrod Brown comes to mind.

Pre-emptive circular firing squad.

Convict and execute immediately upon accusation.

Modern politics.
 
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j-mac said:
Where there is smoke there is fire....:shrug:
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Or folks throwing smoke bombs and yelling fire. As in this case.
 
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pbrauer said:
This has already been solved by the Treasury and President Obama is correct. Here is the report from the Treasury Inspector General For Taxation. Inappropriate Criteria Were Used to
Identify Tax-Exempt Applications for Review Read the Summary on the first page.

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.pdf
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There is no corruption in the Obama White House and Treasury. Obama and the Treasury checked themselves and found nothing.
 
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Congressman Trey Gowdy asks the million dollar question: If there was not a "smidgen of corruption" then why did Lois Lerner plead the 5th in her congressional testimony?

[video]http://content.jwplatform.com/previews/BVH0sjaS-OwlNfjNX[/video]
 
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j-mac said:
From your own link...



So, TIGTA says wrongdoing took place, and recommended what was to be done, and the IRS said 'yeah, no thanks'....And that solves it?
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Wrong.

"Inappropriate" implies a moral judgement. But that is NOT what is meant in this instance.

Using words as opposed to examining the activities for compliance with the law is what was termed "inapporpriate".

A shovel is an inappropriate tool for raking leaves.

Treasury wants ALL groups checked for political intervention and wants concrete rules as to what "primary activity" means. Along with defining "political intervention" activities.

Treasury could have used the word "inadequate" to express its opinion without inappropriately giving the impression it was making a moral judgement that conservative groups had been singled out for mistreatment, a conclusion the report does not make. It is clear that of meant that using keywords allows groups that were involved in substantial election intervention to slip by while latching onto groups that were not involved in substantial election intervention. Nowhere does it indicate partisan wrongdoing took place, or even appears to have had.
 
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jmotivator said:
Congressman Trey Gowdy asks the million dollar question: If there was not a "smidgen of corruption" then why did Lois Lerner plead the 5th in her congressional testimony?

[video]http://content.jwplatform.com/previews/BVH0sjaS-OwlNfjNX[/video]
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Sherrod Brown.
 
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Fenton said:
The IRS " Apologized " for this back in 2012. Or have you forgotten ? When they were trying to orchestrate a way out by blaming a couple of " low level " IRS folks in Cinci...

Hell, Obama said he would get to the bottom of this. He lied apparently.

Imagine the profound implications that comes with a President using Fed agency's to deny Americans their Constitutional rights ......Wow.

Not just the IRS. The FBI ( DOJ ) and OSHA too

Thats why Liberals run to these threads in a wasted attempt to staunch the bleeding.

Its seriousky bad news
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You do realize no one was denied their right to free speech, right?

This was about the privelege to operate tax free.

Tax free status is not a right. Check the Constitution.
 
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shrubnose said:
Take a look at all of the Bush mis-administrations appearances before Congress- then come back and tell us all about it.

I've heard this story before.
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Lol ! Childish Bush blame ? C'mon, try to focus.
 
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