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Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu[W:250]

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rocket88 said:
And as such, he's an important historical figure. But we don't need to teach it that he "found" America which was devoid of human contact before he came along.
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I agree with that wholeheartedly. I don't think he's revered as such, except in a 3rd-grade class where it's kind of hard to have such discussions.
 
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rocket88 said:
Apparently the weak sauce is your job at this point.
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But you do it so well... I wouldn't dream of taking that away.
 
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rocket88 said:
We're not Europeans, and it's not 1503 anymore. We don't have to teach history from that perspective. Should we include how Columbus treated the natives, or is that just liberal revisionism too?
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Gee, why don't we start accuately protraying how the Indians treated each other? Or would that be revisionist history?
 
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rocket88 said:
Wait, I thought the peanut allergy thing was a liberal story invented to ruin us all....figure out which side you're on here.
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Source?
 
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Ockham said:
But you do it so well... I wouldn't dream of taking that away.
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I don't waste the good sauce on ****ty entrees.
 
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ocean515 said:
Gee, why don't we start accuately protraying how the Indians treated each other? Or would that be revisionist history?
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Sure, we'll go right along with how Europeans treated each other. And Africans. Not to mention the long mutual friendship between Japan and China.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I not absolve white people?

Besides, if we treated the history of the Native Americans with that kind of attention, we wouldn't have as much time to devote to the Hapsburgs.
 
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rocket88 said:
Sure, we'll go right along with how Europeans treated each other. And Africans. Not to mention the long mutual friendship between Japan and China.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I not absolve white people?
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Cool, we can do that. Frankly, survival of the fittest shouldn't require anyone to be absolved.
 
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ocean515 said:
Cool, we can do that. Frankly, survival of the fittest shouldn't require anyone to be absolved.
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Wow, that's not racist at all!
 
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ocean515 said:
Well then, by all means, let the central committee publish a list of culturally acceptable foods that can be served throughout the year.
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Cultural sensitivity is not that hard.

How about dropping the whole "XYZ History Month" concept all together, and just get back to the concept of educating all?

Would such a thing be possible, or would the mere suggestion smack of Eurocentrism?
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Eurocentrism would have more to do with world history courses than American history courses. Nevertheless, you'd still be surprised at how the narratives go in textbooks or in the classroom. It is not as if African Americans are a constant force of discussion in the classroom. Many times it's pretty paltry, showing up so you can "deal with that" one or two big topics during the semester: slavery, the civil rights movement.
 
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rocket88 said:
You may be the only person who hasn't thought of the black people, fried chicken connection or heard of it. Geez, in China they've even got "Obama Fried Chicken" restaurants. Seriously, google it. The pictures in this thread aren't something we just made up now off the top of our heads.
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I have heard of the connection. Those who are promoting racism for political and/or social gain won't let us not hear about it. They are absolutely determined to keep it in the forefront of the public consciousness. God forbid we should ever see black people as people and not some protected class. That would put the do-gooder racists out of business altogether. (Do-gooder in this case is what advantages those who promote racism for their own benefit.)

But me personally? No, I associate fried chicken with a wonderfully set table full of great aromas and good tasting things and something I and my guests, including black ones, enjoy a lot. I don't associate fried chicken with black people.
 
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ocean515 said:
Gee, why don't we start accuately protraying how the Indians treated each other? Or would that be revisionist history?
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Actually that would probably be a good idea. Trouble is, a dramatic increase in the discussion of tribal geopolitics before the arrival of whites, or post-white arrival doesn't strike as a popular demand by United States Americans.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Cultural sensitivity is not that hard.



Eurocentrism would have more to do with world history courses than American history courses. Nevertheless, you'd still be surprised at how the narratives go in textbooks or in the classroom. It is not as if African Americans are a constant force of discussion in the classroom. Many times it's pretty paltry, showing up so you can "deal with that" one or two big topics during the semester: slavery, the civil rights movement.
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I beg to differ on the "not that hard" claim. Apparently food is a qualifier, which is absurd. Considering Concord, CA is in the culturally enlightened region known as the Bay Area, I'd suggest the results speak for themself.

As to classrooms, I might be reading the intent of your post wrong, but Blacks are certainly not getting paltry mention in the classroom. Consider the month long event that forms the basis of this thread.

That is hardly an indicator of what you seem to suggest is a passing discussion. Besides, why should Blacks be a constant discussion in the classroom?
 
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ocean515 said:
I beg to differ on the "not that hard" claim. Apparently food is a qualifier, which is absurd. Considering Concord, CA is in the culturally enlightened region known as the Bay Area, I'd suggest the results speak for themself.
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After all of these years, you are telling me you did not know that fried chicken and watermelon were negative stereotypes thrown on to African Americans? It's either hard to believe or incredibly lazy thought being displayed here.

As to classrooms, I might be reading the intent of your post wrong, but Blacks are certainly not getting paltry mention in the classroom. Consider the month long event that forms the basis of this thread.
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If you remove the month, the idea is that throughout the curriculum African Americans would find themselves present and accounted for in weekly discussion. I assure you this is often not the case.

That is hardly an indicator of what you seem to suggest is a passing discussion. Besides, why should Blacks be a constant discussion in the classroom?
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For the same reason that white Americans or Native Americans, women, or anyone else should. They each were important to the history of the country. White males incredibly predominate the narrative, whereas a lot of everyone else do not. You do not just ignore everyone else.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Actually that would probably be a good idea. Trouble is, a dramatic increase in the discussion of tribal geopolitics before the arrival of whites, or post-white arrival doesn't strike as a popular demand by United States Americans.
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I would suggest it's not as a result of lack of demand by US Americans, but by US Educators who seek to control the narrative.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Actually that would probably be a good idea. Trouble is, a dramatic increase in the discussion of tribal geopolitics before the arrival of whites, or post-white arrival doesn't strike as a popular demand by United States Americans.
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It would take too much attention away from the white people.
 
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ocean515 said:
I would suggest it's not as a result of lack of demand by US Americans, but by US Educators who seek to control the narrative.
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Due to a lack of education on the subject and some sociological issues involved with ethnicity. Your version of Indian studies seems to be a ploy to bolster the reputation of whites, not the study of Indian culture itself.
 
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Fiddytree said:
After all of these years, you are telling me you did not know that fried chicken and watermelon were negative stereotypes thrown on to African Americans? It's either hard to believe or incredibly lazy thought being displayed here.



If you remove the month, the idea is that throughout the curriculum African Americans would find themselves present and accounted for in weekly discussion. I assure you this is often not the case.



For the same reason that white Americans or Native Americans, women, or anyone else should. They each were important to the history of the country. White males incredibly predominate the narrative, whereas a lot of everyone else do not. You do not just ignore everyone else.
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I am well aware of the connotation that has been assigned to fried chicken and watermelon. That's not the point. Why don't we just ban those food items all together, since it's appearance on any menu suggests racial bigotry by the purveyor. At some point the PC crowd needs to be ignored.

As to narratives, I think you are applying facts from the past, as opposed to those in the current curriculum. The pendulum has swung far from it's previous position.
 
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rocket88 said:
Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu



Facepalm!
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If the school had added collard or turnip greens to the fried chicken along with some blackeyed peas they could have just called it southern cooking. Where I grew up there really wasn't much difference between southern cooking and what was known as soul food. The egg on the face must have had to do with the watermelon. Of course they could have easily substituted ribs for the chicken.

Usually in cases like this what I have found out in my many travels and old age is the ones who are offended are the ones who wanted to be offended.
 
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ocean515 said:
I am well aware of the connotation that has been assigned to fried chicken and watermelon. That's not the point. Why don't we just ban those food items all together, since it's appearance on any menu suggests racial bigotry by the purveyor. At some point the PC crowd needs to be ignored.
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You find that the families who were critical of this lunch are melodramatic. I see you are attempting to outdo the perceived melodramatics with histrionics of your own. All that was needed was to not promote it as a "Black History Month lunch."

As to narratives, I think you are applying facts from the past, as opposed to those in the current curriculum. The pendulum has swung far from it's previous position.
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I'd like to know your target for the previous position so as to determine how to respond to this. It did not quite make sense to me.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Due to a lack of education on the subject and some sociological issues involved with ethnicity. Your version of Indian studies seems to be a ploy to bolster the reputation of whites, not the study of Indian culture itself.
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A ploy? You assign far too much depth to my simple words and opinions. What is education? Is a lack of knowledge on a subject the result of a lack of desire to learn it, or a lack or desire to teach it in the first place?

Unfortunately, we are in an era of agenda driven education in the United States, and the results from that objective are quite visible.
 
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rocket88 said:
Why do we need a "meal" for it in the first place?

As I said, peanut butter sandwiches would honor George Washington Carver, which would be a good way to celebrate the contributions of black people to our society, don't you think?
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If peanut butter weren't a modern WMD, it would.
 
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