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Government Series Gibson Guitar.

justabubba said:
enforcing the law is found to be politically inspired ... how is that?
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In the same manner not enforcing the law is. It's a selective process we've seen throughout our history. I'm certain you can think of recent as well as not so recent example without me listing some of them.
 
sawdust said:
You know, the internet is a wonderful tool for those who know how to use it. Prior to opening your yap about something you know nothing about, I'd do a little independent research. It's better to be quiet and have people think you are a fool than open your mouth and prove it.

Look it up and get back to me.
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Very rich coming from you. I like how you just completely side step the whole "providing evidence" part of this debate. You make a wild ignorant accusation, and when pressed you blame it on me. That stuff only works on the play grounds champ.
 
Mycroft said:
Ummm...

There is ample evidence that the history that sawdust related is true...not accusations at all.

Perhaps one could say, "How very liberal of you", for opening your mouth and inserting your foot.
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Of course there is, lol. Just like all that evidence hat Obama is from Kenya and all these other fun conservative theories.
 
humbolt said:
In the same manner not enforcing the law is. It's a selective process we've seen throughout our history. I'm certain you can think of recent as well as not so recent example without me listing some of them.
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nah. how about you listing some examples for us to see what you meant
 
sawdust said:
Gibson Guitars donates to Republican candidates. Fender on the other hand donates to Democrats. Par for the coarse under the Tammany Hall political guidance of the Obama administration, Gibson was raided a while back for supposedly importing banned rosewood. As I remember, the rosewood didn't violate American law but our government questioned wether or not it violated law of the country of origin because it didn't meet the value added criteria for export.

In any event, Holder sent in storm troopers who closed the Gibson factory for a day and they confiscated the rosewood in question. Gibson naturally took them to court and prevailed. The government had to return the rosewood.

Now Gibson has built the government issue guitar with rosewood fingerboards confiscated in the raid. I'd buy one and hang on to it in the case for twenty years and sell it for a huge profit just for the hell of it but in twenty years I probably won't remember where I left it.

Gibson.com: Government Series II Les Paul

Check it out.
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I've played guitar since i was 12 years old and that might be the ugliest thing i have ever seen. What's with the crappy color? That's just beyond horrible.

Way to reflect typical boring old Government i guess.
 
Serenity said:
I've played guitar since i was 12 years old and that might be the ugliest thing i have ever seen. What's with the crappy color? That's just beyond horrible.

Way to reflect typical boring old Government i guess.
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Ugly as an army Jeep. Were I to buy one, I'd have Gibson put a big white star on it.
 
The only Gibson I'd own are the pre Norlin era ones. The new ones are underwhelming.
 
sangha said:
The people who get upset that Obama "picks and chooses" which laws to enforce want him to choose to not enforce this law.
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Its not picking and choosing which laws to enforce, its picking and choosing WHO to enforce the law on. In this case, Gibson got raided and Martin didn't. They both imported East Indian sawn lumber which is what Gibson was hit with under the Lacey Act. It BS...unfair and downright unethical.
 
sawdust said:
Ugly as an army Jeep. Were I to buy one, I'd have Gibson put a big white star on it.
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I'd ask they have a fist with a big middle finger put on the back, nice and big. :lol:
 
If I were president, I'd put a raid on B.C. Rich just for building crappy ugly guitars.
 
Fishstyx said:
Its not picking and choosing which laws to enforce, its picking and choosing WHO to enforce the law on. In this case, Gibson got raided and Martin didn't. They both imported East Indian sawn lumber which is what Gibson was hit with under the Lacey Act. It BS...unfair and downright unethical.
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Ahh, I see

Now it's ok to pick and choose which laws to enforce as long as they enforce it on everyone

I wonder what the right wing policy will be about this tomorrow? :shrug:
 
sangha said:
Ahh, I see

Now it's ok to pick and choose which laws to enforce as long as they enforce it on everyone

I wonder what the right wing policy will be about this tomorrow? :shrug:
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Nah. The question it seems is which law will Obama choose to enforce tomorrow, and who will the unwitting victim be? I'd bet it'll be some schlub of a GOP donor with assets worth looking at when it comes to fines and penalties. It's that feeling one gets when the state trooper, who has you dead to rights for speeding, decides to take a walk around your car looking at everything, checks your insurance, tags, inspection, wipers, lights, tires, signals, ground clearance, axle weight, and starts looking under the hood for radar detection, any tampering with EPA mandated controls, the type of fuel you're using, the condition of the glass, the integrity of the door locks, personal restraints, the condition of the steering and suspension, brakes, brake lights, exhaust integrity and support, and requires your birth certificate, the condition of your vision and a physical. Just a routine check. You haven't been targeted or anything.
 
humbolt said:
Nah. The question it seems is which law will Obama choose to enforce tomorrow, and who will the unwitting victim be? I'd bet it'll be some schlub of a GOP donor with assets worth looking at when it comes to fines and penalties. It's that feeling one gets when the state trooper, who has you dead to rights for speeding, decides to take a walk around your car looking at everything, checks your insurance, tags, inspection, wipers, lights, tires, signals, ground clearance, axle weight, and starts looking under the hood for radar detection, any tampering with EPA mandated controls, the type of fuel you're using, the condition of the glass, the integrity of the door locks, personal restraints, the condition of the steering and suspension, brakes, brake lights, exhaust integrity and support, and requires your birth certificate, the condition of your vision and a physical. Just a routine check. You haven't been targeted or anything.
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It's absurd to characterize Gibson as "unwitting" when the investigation showed they deliberately broke the law.

And it's hilarious for a right winger to whine about a cop asking to see a birth certificate from a speeder I mean, you do realize that the right supported that policy even if the driver wasn't breaking any traffic laws, don't you?
 
sangha said:
It's absurd to characterize Gibson as "unwitting" when the investigation showed they deliberately broke the law.

And it's hilarious for a right winger to whine about a cop asking to see a birth certificate from a speeder I mean, you do realize that the right supported that policy even if the driver wasn't breaking any traffic laws, don't you?
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Pfft. You're probably breaking the law right now, and you just don't know it. You somehow missed the metaphoric connection, which isn't like you most of the time. I think you guys on the left are getting desperate for something - anything to feel good about. So feel good about Gibson. I'm hiding my ebony in a liberal friend's basement.
 
humbolt said:
Pfft. You're probably breaking the law right now, and you just don't know it. You somehow missed the metaphoric connection, which isn't like you most of the time. I think you guys on the left are getting desperate for something - anything to feel good about. So feel good about Gibson. I'm hiding my ebony in a liberal friend's basement.
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I got the connection. In both the Gibson case and the speeder, you had law enforcement checking out someone who broke the law.

And if you need a place to stash your Les Paul, you can send it to me.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Making accusations with absolutely no evidence. How very Republican of you.
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No evidence? :lamo

Hey everyone, "roughdraft" claims that all the press and media lied when they reported Gibson was raided because he knows it never happened and all was a vast conspiracy by the media and press.

He should go start a thread on the conspiracy forum about this!
 
sangha said:
I got the connection. In both the Gibson case and the speeder, you had law enforcement checking out someone who broke the law.

And if you need a place to stash your Les Paul, you can send it to me.
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I'm hiding my ebony where it'll never, ever be found by the Obama gestapo.
 
sangha said:
It's absurd to characterize Gibson as "unwitting" when the investigation showed they deliberately broke the law.

And it's hilarious for a right winger to whine about a cop asking to see a birth certificate from a speeder I mean, you do realize that the right supported that policy even if the driver wasn't breaking any traffic laws, don't you?
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What a big lie. Gibson didn't break any law and the federal court ruled so much.

When it comes to partisan issues all intellectual integrity is tossed out and replaced with outright lying.

What law did Gibson break?
 
sawdust said:
No, both companies make great guitars. There are two issues. First, this guitar may become a collectable. Second, the government abused it's power when it invaded Gibson for something that was later considered to be in error and they did so for political reasons.
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They didn't just raid the company. They sent an army, totally took over the company and ordered all the employees to leave. From the start there was no even allegation of breaking any USA law nor were they working a foreign country's arrest order nor any evidence any other country requested anything.
 
joko104 said:
What a big lie. Gibson didn't break any law and the federal court ruled so much.

When it comes to partisan issues all intellectual integrity is tossed out and replaced with outright lying.

What law did Gibson break?
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the lacy act
it's in this thread
gibson forfeited the wood
gibson paid fines
gibson made contributions to a nonprofit which investigates violations of the lacy act, as part of the company's plea agreement

gibson did negotiate that it could retain the mahogany and ebony woods received from india, which woods are being used to produce this run of guitars

you are the one who is misrepresenting things when you insist gibson did not break the law. gibson paid the fines for its illicit actions
 
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