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96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Don’t Pay Their Interns

it is not the right thing to do. Minimum wage or jobs for people with no skill or in other words entry level. Just because someone doesn't have enough sense to better themselves should not fall to the rest of us to make up the difference. That is what is wrong with NY, CA, and NJ. The cost of living in those states is ridiculous because of all the various levels of handouts.

What does this have to do with how much politicians pay interns?
 
If unpaid internships for for-profit business is legal, then the minimum wage is invalid. Just pay less than minimum and call it an "internship." A person can "intern" at a McDonalds to learn the fast food industry, and get $3 an hour to cover any potential expenses while paying $0 salary because it's an internship.

There is no justification in free employees for a for-profit business calling it an internship.

So you think internships should be illegal?
 
So everyone takes on the chin because these highly educated and skilled workers you speak of did not do market research on demand for their educations after leaving college? You know if you are stupid enough to major in art history and then bitch about the job market, that is on you.

Almost no one gets a degree in art history. People who study business, biology, medicine, advertising, psychology, or, like me, law, are getting hung out to try, expected to work for free for several years before the system deigns to pay us anything. But all it takes to poke a hole in this ever so stupid post is just "no, of course not everyone who is struggling is highly educated and doing everything right, just a lot." And "market research"? Really? That may be the dumbest thing I've heard in this discussion yet. The market is very clear to everyone. There is high turnover and dozens of jobs in just every single field... and ten times that many people competing for them. In every single field.

As I said, blame and self-aggrandizement. That's all you've got. You have no idea what reality is like.

So you think internships should be illegal?

Actually, there are several lawsuits contending that many are. Internships are supposed to be training. They are not supposed to be doing a job for free. Most internships are just the latter. Do a job that should (and often used to) be compensated with a salary for free in exchange for "experience". Those "first jobs" that people used to get... those are expected to be done for free now.
 
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Almost no one gets a degree in art history. People who study business, biology, medicine, advertising, psychology, or, like me, law, are getting hung out to try, expected to work for free for several years before the system deigns to pay us anything. But all it takes to poke a hole in this ever so stupid post is just "no, of course not everyone who is struggling is highly educated and doing everything right, just a lot." And "market research"? Really? That may be the dumbest thing I've heard in this discussion yet. The market is very clear to everyone. There is high turnover and dozens of jobs in just every single field... and ten times that many people competing for them. In every single field.

As I said, blame and self-aggrandizement. That's all you've got. You have no idea what reality is like.



Actually, there are several lawsuits contending that many are. Internships are supposed to be training. They are not supposed to be doing a job for free. Most internships are just the latter. Do a job that should (and often used to) be compensated with a salary for free in exchange for "experience". Those "first jobs" that people used to get... those are expected to be done for free now.

My son is 28, majored in finance. Has had 3 employers since getting out and still gets offers. He lives in a small market. I call bull**** on someone that is skilled saying they can't find work.
 
My son is 28, majored in finance. Has had 3 employers since getting out and still gets offers. He lives in a small market. I call bull**** on someone that is skilled saying they can't find work.

Read more. In my fields, the expected retirements that were supposed to start by the time I graduated high school and through my undergrad (opening up a vast number of decently paid positions) are not happening. Heck, even the much needed teaching positions cannot be filled, because we can't afford to live in the town or city (not that oil related jobs get you a place to live anyway). Even in higher ed, adjuncts are playing the unfulfilled waiting game.
 
Read more. In my fields, the expected retirements that were supposed to start by the time I graduated high school and through my undergrad (opening up a vast number of decently paid positions) are not happening. Heck, even the much needed teaching positions cannot be filled, because we can't afford to live in the town or city (not that oil related jobs get you a place to live anyway). Even in higher ed, adjuncts are playing the unfulfilled waiting game.

you should consider moving, there are teaching positions all over the midwest
 
you should consider moving, there are teaching positions all over the midwest

There's teaching position "shortages" everywhere (including my state). But there are multiple variables which continue to make it so. Likewise, I'd have to go through the license process (again) if I go to another state. I am certainly not opposed to doing something to get a job (and of course, I'd go far below education level to "get by" while looking), but I find it rather peculiar that you'd take a single individual and then try to spread it outward. There are plenty of fields which haven't grown or accepted new employees as they were projected to, students take on an enormous debt burden, and in many fields, are expected to do far more and get compensated far less (including internships, temporary work, etc. to "get the foot in the door"-regardless if this actually happens). It's the reality we face. For my situation, I don't mind taking on debt to get the education that I was told I could never have even if I wanted to, but I know where my skill sets are, and I know what fields I can and cannot realistically gun for. It just so happens that the math and science sector are places where I could never travel. I have to take my skills elsewhere, and I am certainly trying. For a lot of other people in my generation, there are a great many variables which explain why they too cannot gain entrance into the market, even those that were where all the energy was supposed to be.
 
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for your consideratoin:

the study link is from About MinimumWage.com | MinimumWage.com

and is a project of the Employment Policies Institute (EPI).


Rick Berman created EPI in 1991 to "argue the importance of minimum wage jobs for the poor and uneducated."[3]

EPI has has been widely quoted in news stories regarding minimum wage issues, and although a few of those stories have correctly described it as a "think tank financed by business," most stories fail to provide any identification that would enable readers to identify the vested interests behind its pronouncements. Instead, it is usually described exactly the way it describes itself, as a "non-profit research organization dedicated to studying public policy issues surrounding employment growth" that "focuses on issues that affect entry-level employment." In reality, EPI's mission is to keep the minimum wage low so Berman's clients can continue to pay their workers as little as possible.
EPI also owns the internet domain names to MinimumWage.com and LivingWage.com, a website that attempts to portray the idea of a living wage for workers as some kind of insidious conspiracy. "Living wage activists want nothing less than a national livingwage," it warns (as though there is something wrong with paying employees enough that they can afford to eat and pay rent).
 
My son is 28, majored in finance. Has had 3 employers since getting out and still gets offers. He lives in a small market. I call bull**** on someone that is skilled saying they can't find work.

Yep, that sums up the "libertarian-right" philosophy pretty well. My personal story is a good one, so everyone else who isn't as fortunate must be doing something wrong and doesn't deserve help. I must be superior, because I don't recognize good fortune.

Read more. In my fields, the expected retirements that were supposed to start by the time I graduated high school and through my undergrad (opening up a vast number of decently paid positions) are not happening. Heck, even the much needed teaching positions cannot be filled, because we can't afford to live in the town or city (not that oil related jobs get you a place to live anyway). Even in higher ed, adjuncts are playing the unfulfilled waiting game.

Half my law class cannot find work as lawyers. And this is even after working unpaid internships for "experience" all through law school.

you should consider moving, there are teaching positions all over the midwest

And, of course, moving isn't a hugely expensive proposition or a risky gamble at all. A whole lot of recent college graduates had to move back in with their families... because they can't afford to live anywhere else.

How dense do you have to be to keep pretending that there isn't a serious shortage of work for young people to do, and even less that will pay enough to live?
 
How dense do you have to be to keep pretending that there isn't a serious shortage of work for young people to do, and even less that will pay enough to live?

Well, it's the same group of people who think just anyone can start a small business up and make it on their own. Because apparently you can magic up customers in addition to the funds required to start a business.
 
Easily one of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen made.

If minimum wage sets the bottom of the scale for unskilled workers, and the standard of increasing income is to be more productive to the point of increased profit to the employer then what he said is true. Conversely, if you mandate an increase of the minimum wage and the new limit exceeds the ability of the employee's production that employee will be out of a job. I don't know why it is necessary to explain this to someone who claims to be "wise".

Companies do not exist primarily to provide jobs and benefits to people, they are profit driven. So if an employee produces less than they take they are a drag on the company. On a related note, the proposal applies to GOVERNMENT employees, meaning they are paid from tax revenue, not based on production. Government is not concerned with balancing the books, they don't have to since they do not operate out of their own pockets. What this really is is another stab at the private sector that will lead to the argument to increase welfare roles (workers got an X% increase, welfare recipients should too in the name of equality) and widen the gap between workers and welfare leeches. This is more wealth redistribution pure and simple.
 
Yep, that sums up the "libertarian-right" philosophy pretty well. My personal story is a good one, so everyone else who isn't as fortunate must be doing something wrong and doesn't deserve help. I must be superior, because I don't recognize good fortune.

8 College Degrees with the Worst Return on Investment - Salary.com

If you are getting a soft degree then you are going to have a hard time finding a job much less the pay for that job.
soft degree's are social science, theology, etc ...

if you are getting a hard degree. hard science (chemistry, biology etc ...) computer related, math, engineering etc .. then you have a wide variety of job openings
and are in high demand.

my friends brother learned this the hard way. he got his degree in religious studies. he basically had to go back to school and he became a medical technician. now he is doing that at the University of miami hospital in their neuro surgery department.



Half my law class cannot find work as lawyers. And this is even after working unpaid internships for "experience" all through law school.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/e...fall-as-costs-rise-and-jobs-are-cut.html?_r=0

the law profession has been in decline for some time. A good friend of mine is a lawyer and i mentioned to him one day that i thought about going to law school. he said don't
there isn't any work. he was like unless you own your own pratice (which he did) he said you won't get a job). 10 years ago it was a good thing. now not so much.

And, of course, moving isn't a hugely expensive proposition or a risky gamble at all. A whole lot of recent college graduates had to move back in with their families... because they can't afford to live anywhere else.

i have moved from WV to PA to FL. sometimes moving is a requirement. A friend of mine said he would never leave WV he live in utah now.

How dense do you have to be to keep pretending that there isn't a serious shortage of work for young people to do, and even less that will pay enough to live?

the reason is that productivity has to exceed cost. companies are very much into job experience. they want people with job related experience even if it is just a year or two.
The less real training that they have to do the better off the company is. the constant upward pressure on the floor hasn't helped.

it also hasn't helped that people that were suppose to retire delayed retirement due to economic conditions.

what we also have to look at is what degree's these students are graduating with.
 
If minimum wage sets the bottom of the scale for unskilled workers, and the standard of increasing income is to be more productive to the point of increased profit to the employer then what he said is true. Conversely, if you mandate an increase of the minimum wage and the new limit exceeds the ability of the employee's production that employee will be out of a job. I don't know why it is necessary to explain this to someone who claims to be "wise".

Companies do not exist primarily to provide jobs and benefits to people, they are profit driven. So if an employee produces less than they take they are a drag on the company. On a related note, the proposal applies to GOVERNMENT employees, meaning they are paid from tax revenue, not based on production. Government is not concerned with balancing the books, they don't have to since they do not operate out of their own pockets. What this really is is another stab at the private sector that will lead to the argument to increase welfare roles (workers got an X% increase, welfare recipients should too in the name of equality) and widen the gap between workers and welfare leeches. This is more wealth redistribution pure and simple.

The trouble comes in assuming that Econ 101 can sufficiently describe a 14 trillion dollar economy.
 
And 96% of Republicans who disapprove of the minimum wage hike have reportedly burnt toast in the last 12 months. Whether or not it is the right thing to do has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not politicians are douchebags.

I'm Republican, I disapprove of a minimum wage hike, and I have indeed burned toast in the last 12 months..... but I didnt report it. It may be more wide spread that people want to believe.
 
The trouble comes in assuming that Econ 101 can sufficiently describe a 14 trillion dollar economy.

Indeed. Unfortunately it seems that many college students who have taken it while surviving on student loans disagree and consider themselves an authority on the issue.
 
No sir I do NOT care to share.:lol:
I didn't realize the implications of my question until you responded earlier and I understood what you meant.

OTOH, I've shared some humidors in my life. With all the virgins gone to reward suicide bombers, used humidors are all that's left these days.
 
Liberals are really pushing raising the minimum wage for 2014. Thirty states have put forward bills to increase it, and Democrats have made this issue part of their political strategy for this year. Yet, a new study from the Employment Policies Institute (EPI) has exposed the proponents of raising the minimum wage of their "hypocrisy." It seems that 96% of Democrats who support such measures don't pay their interns.

The abstract of the EPI study noted that "the same Members of Congress who are supporting a 40% wage hike on private sector employers are simultaneously failing to provide any wages to their own employee interns."

Last year, I wrote for Newsbusters about how the media rail about the gender wage gap, but seem to ignore that the Obama White House paid their female staffers 88.3% of what their male ones earn.

96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Don

I wonder how many of these people's cleaning ladies are legally employed.
 
I don't really see how this is hypocritical, its comparing apples and oranges.

It's hypocritical when the Dems are demanding that every should be apples.
 
Are they? What does that even mean? What are the apples in this analogy that Dems want everyone to be?

How about you tell me what the apples and oranges stood for it your original argument first. Since you were unclear I simply flipped a coin.
 
How about you tell me what the apples and oranges stood for it your original argument first. Since you were unclear I simply flipped a coin.

They don't stand for anything, saying someone is comparing apples and oranges is a very common expression which just means that someone is comparing two very different things that aren't really comparable, they don't stand for specific things.

Why the hell do I have to explain this? I just want to know what you think Dems want everyone to be
 
They don't stand for anything, saying someone is comparing apples and oranges is a very common expression which just means that someone is comparing two very different things that aren't really comparable, they don't stand for specific things.

So what were the two very different things you were comparing? Obviously you knew what they were when you said it.

Why the hell do I have to explain this?

Because when you say that two things are very different you need to be able to express what those two things actually are rather than hide behind a colloquialism. I made the mistake of assuming you knew the two things you were comparing, apparently you don't?
 
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