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Justice For Kelly Thomas - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest


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"A homeless and mentally-ill man that has been described as a "gentle soul" - Kelly Thomas, 37 - was unable to put up any resistance and was lying on the ground on his front when a vicious attack took place on July 5, by six Fullerton police officer's.

His screams and the cries for his father, "Dad!", "Dad!", "Dad!"... can be heard amid the tasering noises that a witness caught on tape. Witnesses allegedly also heard the officer's keep repeating to him to "Stop resisting!", but they have said that not only was he NOT resisting, for much of the beating he was unconscious.

He was (allegedly) unconscious when an officer bashed in his skull with the butt of his taser gun, and he was (allegedly) unconscious when another officer jump kicked him a number of times and crushed in his throat and nasal cavity.

Please stand with us in solidarity to support the Thomas Family in bringing justice for Kelly against the Fullerton, CA Police Dept. Force like this should NEVER be used...

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Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest
 
There is no justification for beating a man to death by cops, none. The problem with the protest is that the trial is over. There is no double jeopardy for the beaters. The best they can hope to accomplish is perhaps to prevent another beating.

You read about incidents like this, incidents like the one described here, and that we have more prisoners per capita than any other nation on Earth, and can easily come to the conclusion that we have a police state right here in the beacon of liberty.
 
Indeed, I completely agree, and I believe there is a push to make this not only a protest against the Kelly Thomas verdict given down in Fullerton, but all police brutality in California and the Nation. Hopefully this Action event will get much more media attention.
 
There is no justification for beating a man to death by cops, none. The problem with the protest is that the trial is over. There is no double jeopardy for the beaters. The best they can hope to accomplish is perhaps to prevent another beating. You read about incidents like this, incidents like the one described here, and that we have more prisoners per capita than any other nation on Earth, and can easily come to the conclusion that we have a police state right here in the beacon of liberty.
Actually the feds are still looking into it and there is the ongoing litigation regarding the re-hiring of the officers (the CoP says no, the officers are suing to regain their positions). So all the outcries may not be for naught.

Edited to ad links to claims:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...amine-trial-evidence-20140113,0,4049891.story
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-kelly-thomas-cops-20140122,0,226538.story
 
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Justice For Kelly Thomas - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest


Description

"A homeless and mentally-ill man that has been described as a "gentle soul" - Kelly Thomas, 37 - was unable to put up any resistance and was lying on the ground on his front when a vicious attack took place on July 5, by six Fullerton police officer's.

His screams and the cries for his father, "Dad!", "Dad!", "Dad!"... can be heard amid the tasering noises that a witness caught on tape. Witnesses allegedly also heard the officer's keep repeating to him to "Stop resisting!", but they have said that not only was he NOT resisting, for much of the beating he was unconscious.

He was (allegedly) unconscious when an officer bashed in his skull with the butt of his taser gun, and he was (allegedly) unconscious when another officer jump kicked him a number of times and crushed in his throat and nasal cavity.

Please stand with us in solidarity to support the Thomas Family in bringing justice for Kelly against the Fullerton, CA Police Dept. Force like this should NEVER be used...

5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest - Read More

Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest
I've marked it on my calendar, though I admit to rarely participating as I am indigent and should I get rounded up by the cops would be in jail a while before I could make bail, etc, so I try usually to stay away from trouble areas. For this I may reconsider.
 
described as a "gentle soul"
You can all fall for the bs if you choose.

Such a gentile soul who ...
"Between 1990 and 2011, Thomas had 92 encounters with the police. These encounters ranged from minor infractions such as trespassing to assault with a deadly weapon."
Death of Kelly Thomas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What a gentile soul indeed! :doh

:lamo


The Officers were rightfully cleared of any criminality.
 
You can all fall for the bs if you choose.

Such a gentile soul who ...
"Between 1990 and 2011, Thomas had 92 encounters with the police. These encounters ranged from minor infractions such as trespassing to assault with a deadly weapon."
Death of Kelly Thomas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What a gentile soul indeed! :doh

:lamo


The Officers were rightfully cleared of any criminality.

It sounds to me as if he was a mentally ill person who should have been in an institution that might have helped him.

But, looking at the "after" photo, there can be no justification for the use of such force, none. If he had a deadly weapon, and was threatening the cops with it, then a shooting might have been justified. If he didn't, then there is no conceivable reason for beating him to death.
 
It sounds to me as if he was a mentally ill person who should have been in an institution that might have helped him.
Do you have information that he wasn't being helped?


But, looking at the "after" photo, there can be no justification for the use of such force, none. If he had a deadly weapon, and was threatening the cops with it, then a shooting might have been justified. If he didn't, then there is no conceivable reason for beating him to death.
If you want to let the photo sway your emotions go ahead. I wont.
The injuries to his face are supposedly the results of two blows.
So it is nothing but the blood and swelling making it look far worse.
Which is not being beaten to death.


His chest was crushed by the weight of the needed Officers to subdue him. That is inadvertent, but not criminal.
He died from asphyxiation caused by his chest being crushed.
The examiner testified to such during the prelim.
Which agreed with the paramedics who testified at trial that he had no blood or obstruction of his airway.
But before the trial, she met with the prosecutor and changed her story to include his other facial injuries contributing to his death. Yet as we already know the paramedics clearly stated his airway was unobstructed.

You can read what was presented to the jury by the defense here.
Kelly Thomas Trial Update: Defense tells jury to analyze case 'without the emotion' | 89.3 KPCC
 
Do you have information that he wasn't being helped?


If you want to let the photo sway your emotions go ahead. I wont.
The injuries to his face are supposedly the results of two blows.
So it is nothing but the blood and swelling making it look far worse.
Which is not being beaten to death.


His chest was crushed by the weight of the needed Officers to subdue him. That is inadvertent, but not criminal.
He died from asphyxiation caused by his chest being crushed.
The examiner testified to such during the prelim.
Which agreed with the paramedics who testified at trial that he had no blood or obstruction of his airway.
But before the trial, she met with the prosecutor and changed her story to include his other facial injuries contributing to his death. Yet as we already know the paramedics clearly stated his airway was unobstructed.

You can read what was presented to the jury by the defense here.
Kelly Thomas Trial Update: Defense tells jury to analyze case 'without the emotion' | 89.3 KPCC

If he was being helped, the help wasn't very effective.

Let's look at the case without emotion, then, without looking at the face of a man beaten to a pulp.

Did he present a threat to the police, one worthy of the use of deadly force?
How many times did they actually tase him?
and finally,
Just how dispassionately did the cops act while doing their duty and attempting to arrest this one lone individual?
 
Justice For Kelly Thomas - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest


Description

"A homeless and mentally-ill man that has been described as a "gentle soul" - Kelly Thomas, 37 - was unable to put up any resistance and was lying on the ground on his front when a vicious attack took place on July 5, by six Fullerton police officer's.

His screams and the cries for his father, "Dad!", "Dad!", "Dad!"... can be heard amid the tasering noises that a witness caught on tape. Witnesses allegedly also heard the officer's keep repeating to him to "Stop resisting!", but they have said that not only was he NOT resisting, for much of the beating he was unconscious.

He was (allegedly) unconscious when an officer bashed in his skull with the butt of his taser gun, and he was (allegedly) unconscious when another officer jump kicked him a number of times and crushed in his throat and nasal cavity.

Please stand with us in solidarity to support the Thomas Family in bringing justice for Kelly against the Fullerton, CA Police Dept. Force like this should NEVER be used...

5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest - Read More

Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest
His desperate cries for his daddy and God which slowly waned off into a low mourning and then stopped as he slipped into unconsciousness really got me. He was like a child crying out for his daddy to help him while repeatedly apologizing for the wrong he did not commit. There were many spectators. At one point he was calling out for "Coroner" or something. But, unfortunately there was no one to step forward to help him. It's hard to blame them when the ones doing the brutal beatings were cops. :(
 
This isn't breaking news but SPAM.

It's an advertisment.

Chris Solberg is an activist. This guy is getting involved with something that Orange County is dealing with not someone who lives 600 miles north of Fullerton.

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If he was being helped, the help wasn't very effective.
That would be an assumption.
As folks who live on the street do receive help, but still remain on the streets.

Let's look at the case without emotion, then, without looking at the face of a man beaten to a pulp.
Yes we should do that. That also means canning the exaggerations like beaten to a pulp.


Did he present a threat to the police, one worthy of the use of deadly force?
:doh
They didn't use deadly force.
Just because a person died, does not mean deadly force was used.
And what happened has already been stated.

Their weight crushed his chest inadvertently.


How many times did they actually tase him?
I have seen reports of four times.
Yet doesn't matter, as it was ineffective against his resistance.


Just how dispassionately did the cops act while doing their duty and attempting to arrest this one lone individual?
Matters not.
Force is met with force. Force is elevated until the individual is subdued.
They do not have to be dispassionate in attempting to subdue a resisting person and a person who is a danger to them by his resistance.
And he grabbed the taser. Which is why he got hit in the face with it.
 
That would be an assumption.
As folks who live on the street do receive help, but still remain on the streets.

Yes we should do that. That also means canning the exaggerations like beaten to a pulp.


:doh
They didn't use deadly force.
Just because a person died, does not mean deadly force was used.
And what happened has already been stated.

Their weight crushed his chest inadvertently.


I have seen reports of four times.
Yet doesn't matter, as it was ineffective against his resistance.


Matters not.
Force is met with force. Force is elevated until the individual is subdued.
They do not have to be dispassionate in attempting to subdue a resisting person and a person who is a danger to them by his resistance.
And he grabbed the taser. Which is why he got hit in the face with it.

The victim died. He died for having committed vandalism, not for threatening anyone. Sounds like deadly force to me, whether it was intended to be or not.
 
He died for having committed vandalism, not for threatening anyone. Sounds like deadly force to me, whether it was intended to be or not.
You are being absurd.
He died because he chose to resist. And he was threatening. Especially when he grabbed the taser.

And dying inadvertently is not use of deadly force by any stretch of the imagination.

Which is all moot at this point because the Jury found the Officers did not act in a criminal manner.
 
The victim died. He died for having committed vandalism, not for threatening anyone. Sounds like deadly force to me, whether it was intended to be or not.

He didn't commit vandalism, or any other crime. A bouncer at a nearby bar confessed that at his boss's insistence, he had called 911 and made up the story so police would get the mentally ill homeless man away from the club entrance, where patrons couldn't see him.
 
It sounds to me as if he was a mentally ill person who should have been in an institution that might have helped him.

But, looking at the "after" photo, there can be no justification for the use of such force, none. If he had a deadly weapon, and was threatening the cops with it, then a shooting might have been justified. If he didn't, then there is no conceivable reason for beating him to death.

I'll give you some slack because, the overwhelming majority of lawyers (should know better) don't know a ****ing thing about use of force or police work
 
He didn't commit vandalism, or any other crime. A bouncer at a nearby bar confessed that at his boss's insistence, he had called 911 and made up the story so police would get the mentally ill homeless man away from the club entrance, where patrons couldn't see him.
Exactly. The police were responding to a call, and upon further inspection, they found property in his pack that did not belong to him. They suspected a 496.
 
His chest was crushed by the weight of the needed Officers to subdue him. That is inadvertent, but not criminal.

Oh, I guess that makes it alright! :roll:

At the least these cops committed voluntary manslaughter. If this boys dad had any sense of justice, he would be seeing these cops one at a time at some future date to discuss matters. Hopefully, the public will make the lives of these killers as miserable as possible in the mean time.
 
At the least these cops committed voluntary manslaughter.
No they were not.
Their actions were legal.


If this boys dad had any sense of justice, he would be seeing these cops one at a time at some future date to discuss matters..
That is not called justice but vengeance. Which is illegal.


Hopefully, the public will make the lives of these killers as miserable as possible in the mean time.
Right! :doh
Folks should suffer for acting legally? That is just nuts to suggest such.
 
No they were not.
Their actions were legal.


That is not called justice but vengeance. Which is illegal.


Right! :doh
Folks should suffer for acting legally? That is just nuts to suggest such.

Legal doesn't always mean just or right. Sometimes, adjustments need to be made to balance the scales.
 
Legal doesn't always mean just or right. Sometimes, adjustments need to be made to balance the scales.
And in this case there actions to subdue the resisting individual was just. You might want to try and familiarize yourself with the evidence instead of of be emotive.
No adjustment need to be made. Your thoughts are apparently dark and sickly twisted to think that vengeance is even called for.
 
The Militarization of local Police forces Nationwide is a major problem. Many of these cops just can't wait to use deadly force. Send them all to shrinks and cull out the trigger happy cowards that can't communicate with the public type that they have allegedly been trained to communicate with. This is another system that is broken. Take away their guns and tasers. There job is similar to babysitting the public, not attacking the public. Their's is not a military role and shouldn't be misconstrued as such.
 
The Militarization of local Police forces Nationwide is a major problem. Many of these cops just can't wait to use deadly force. Send them all to shrinks and cull out the trigger happy cowards that can't communicate with the public type that they have allegedly been trained to communicate with. This is another system that is broken. Take away their guns and tasers. There job is similar to babysitting the public, not attacking the public. Their's is not a military role and shouldn't be misconstrued as such.
And what are they then to do when confronted with violent and resisting suspects? Call on a different Police force? :doh

If we did what you suggest, we would just have more crime.
 
And in this case there actions to subdue the resisting individual was just. You might want to try and familiarize yourself with the evidence instead of of be emotive.
No adjustment need to be made. Your thoughts are apparently dark and sickly twisted to think that vengeance is even called for.

The establishment of justice is certainly not dark or twisted. It is the actions of these cops that is dark and twisted.

One main difference between what we believe is that you seem to believe that no matter what a judge says it without question the correct and just decision. I don't think this is the case. The action the cop took in the video to instigate this situation shows that he was intent on having a confrontation with this young man. Whether or not he intended his death is irreverent; he knowingly caused this situation to happen and should be held to account for his actions.
 
The establishment of justice is certainly not dark or twisted.
I was speaking about your thoughts of vengeance, which is.

It is the actions of these cops that is dark and twisted.
Wrong. Their actions were legal and within the training they received.


One main difference between what we believe is that you seem to believe that no matter what a judge says it without question the correct and just decision. I don't think this is the case. The action the cop took in the video to instigate this situation shows that he was intent on having a confrontation with this young man. Whether or not he intended his death is irreverent; he knowingly caused this situation to happen and should be held to account for his actions.
And again a faulty interpretation of what occurred.
Kelly was playing a game and failing to cooperate. He escalated the situation every step of the way.
Had he cooperated and not played his stupid little game none of this would have happened.

Thankfully the Jury saw the evidence and made their decision on that, and not emotion.
 
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