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Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

MichaelJR said:
100%, this is the problem. This sort of action is the standard procedure.
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Shedding light on areas that Officers are in need of enhanced/further training, is not a problem.

MichaelJR said:
Someday, I'm telling you, they are going to do this to someone that isn't resisting...and they will be surrounded...and the angry mob will have their way.
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One: It is highly unlikely Officers would have to act in such a manner to subdue someone who isn't resisting, so your scenario is absurd.
Two: And that is assuming the Officers are doing something wrong. Which, like in this case, they were not.


But since you seem to like the idea so much.
Here is a video for your enjoyment.

 
Excon said:
Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

You are again speaking of an ideal situation which this was not.

And since it wasn't, it is absurd to expect such.

And ideally when a person is tasered it has an effect, but not here.
And then it took 6 Officers to subdue Kelly. 6, not 2, 3, 4, or even 5, but six. And that was after multiple taserings.
And you want to speak of ideal situations? :doh
Sorry, that doesn't fly.

And no it wasn't criminal.
Besides the Jury 's verdict, you seem to have missed the part that their actions fell within their training, which makes them non-criminal.
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Ive been on literally THOUSANDS of crisis calls with law enforcement where they handled REAL crisis situations in far less ideal situations with professionalism.

Just reflect on what you are defending. A law enforcement officer spent 15:27 arguing and sniping at a smartass homeless guy and let him get him so pissed off he first threatened to beat the **** out of him, then...did so.
 
VanceMack said:
Ive been on literally THOUSANDS of crisis calls with law enforcement where they handled REAL crisis situations in far less ideal situations with professionalism.

Just reflect on what you are defending. A law enforcement officer spent 15:27 arguing and sniping at a smartass homeless guy and let him get him so pissed off he first threatened to beat the **** out of him, then...did so.
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The length of time or duration of *said incident* means squat

What matters is their actions *the LEOs* in this regard were lawful
 
ric27 said:
The length of time or duration of *said incident* means squat

What matters is their actions *the LEOs* in this regard were lawful
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Actually...the length of time is quite relevant. It answers the question "how long does it take for a bad cop to lose his temper and commence to beating someone to death?" 15:27
 
VanceMack said:
Ive been on literally THOUSANDS of crisis calls with law enforcement where they handled REAL crisis situations in far less ideal situations with professionalism.

Just reflect on what you are defending. A law enforcement officer spent 15:27 arguing and sniping at a smartass homeless guy and let him get him so pissed off he first threatened to beat the **** out of him, then...did so.
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And again. Every encounter is different and this was not an ideal one.
Kelly was tasered multiple times to no effect. You do understand that, right?
It then took six Officers to finally subdue him. you do get that. right? With the weight of one or all inadvertently crushing Kelly's chest, causing asphyxiation. You do understand what inadvertent means, right?


Spent 15:27 arguing and sniping at a smart ass homeless guy?
You can blame Kelly's non-cooperation for that too. And it took that long to be able to conduct a search of his bag where property which did not belong to him was found. Commencing with preparations for a pat-down.


Apparently all you are being is emotive about this.


VanceMack said:
It answers the question "how long does it take for a bad cop to lose his temper and commence to beating someone to death?" 15:27
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Yep! Emotive.
Speaking ridiculous exaggerations that did not happen.
 
If my son were being beaten to death and called to me to help him and I was not there, my soul would be so tortured forever after that I would have no concern for the consequences of any action I took in retribution. I wouldn't give a sht about some academic BS argument that it was "legal." it was a heinous, inhumane, torturous killing of a frightened, weak man with the mind of a child. It needs to be made right.

Forget the legality. Forget the politics. Some things are right and some things are wrong. This was wrong.
 
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Excon said:
And again. Every encounter is different and this was not an ideal one.
Kelly was tasered multiple times to no effect. You do understand that, right?
It then took six Officers to finally subdue him. you do get that. right? With the weight of one or all inadvertently crushing Kelly's chest, causing asphyxiation. You do understand what inadvertent means, right?


Spent 15:27 arguing and sniping at a smart ass homeless guy?
You can blame Kelly's non-cooperation for that too. And it took that long to be able to conduct a search of his bag where property which did not belong to him was found. Commencing with preparations for a pat-down.


Apparently all you are being is emotive about this.


Yep! Emotive.
Speaking ridiculous exaggerations that did not happen.
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Yes. people do amazing things when they are fighting for their life. Sometimes, when people are being beaten to death, they resist.

The mere fact that the verbal exchange went on for 15:27 shows just how ****ty a cop Ramos was. The fact that he lost his temper shows how ****ty a cop Ramos was. The fact that he threatened to beat the **** out of the guy shows how ****ty a cop he was. The fact that you defend him...well...that speaks volumes too.
 
Ray410 said:
If my son were being beaten to death and called to me to help him and I was not there, my soul would be so tortured forever after that I would have no concern for the consequences of any action I took in retribution. I wouldn't give a sht about some academic BS argument that it was "legal." it was a heinous, inhumane, torturous killing of a frightened, weak man with the mind of a child. It needs to be made right.

Forget the legality. Forget the politics. Some things are right and some things are wrong. This was wrong.
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Seriously, stop it.

Kelly was bring resistive and non compliant. Stupidity is meant to be painful.

Here's a video of an individual that's high but fully compliant

No tasers, no PR-24s are needed

 
Anyone who defends these officers has no idea what it is like to deal with the cops when you are homeless or live in poverty. Nothing is more entertaining than seeing these posters look more and more foolish as they attempt to justify this street murder perpetrated by these civil servants.

Hopefully, when the publicity dies down, some citizen will pay a visit to these policemen and show them what justice looks like.
 
VanceMack said:
Yes. people do amazing things when they are fighting for their life.
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:doh
He was not fighting for his life at the time. He was doing what is called resiting.


VanceMack said:
Sometimes, when people are being beaten to death, they resist.
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Exaggeration nonsense. He was not being beating to death.


VanceMack said:
The mere fact that the verbal exchange went on for 15:27 shows just how ****ty a cop Ramos was.
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No it doesn't.
All it shows is how patient he was with Kelly's repeated bs.


VanceMack said:
The fact that he lost his temper shows how ****ty a cop Ramos was.
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:doh iLOL Hardly.


VanceMack said:
The fact that he threatened to beat the **** out of the guy shows how ****ty a cop he was.
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Exaggerational nonsense. A hollow threat was made in an attempt to gain compliance. That does not means he is a ****ty cop.


VanceMack said:
The fact that you defend him...well...that speaks volumes too.
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So you, engaging in exaggeration now what to be personal about it. :doh
What a shame.
Just shows you don't have a leg to stand on.
 
Excon said:
You are being absurd.
He died because he chose to resist. And he was threatening. Especially when he grabbed the taser.

And dying inadvertently is not use of deadly force by any stretch of the imagination.

Which is all moot at this point because the Jury found the Officers did not act in a criminal manner.
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I love the "..but the jury found them not guilty..." argument. Juries never convict cops of anything, because they have to live in that community. And the one thing you don't want is to have cops mad at you. It's a good way to wind up dead.
 
Excon said:
:doh
He was not fighting for his life at the time. He was doing what is called resiting.


:doh
Exaggeration nonsense. He was not being beating to death.


No it doesn't.
All it shows is how patient he was with Kelly's repeated bs.


:doh iLOL Hardly.


Exaggerational nonsense. A hollow threat was made in an attempt to gain compliance. That does not means he is a ****ty cop.


So you, engaging in exaggeration now what to be personal about it. :doh
What a shame.
Just shows you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Ramos was a cop. Cops are trained to deal with difficult people. You dont get into power plays with difficult people. He did and he lost control and as a result, he first threatened, then beat the **** of a suspect, a suspect who later died directly due to the actions of a law enforcement officer. There is no mechanism by which a law enforcement officer can or should put their fist in someones face and threaten to beat the **** out of him. Had he done his job, it would have never gotten to that point. Your continued defense of the indefensible speaks volumes.
 
Texmex said:
Anyone who defends these officers has no idea what it is like to deal with the cops when you are homeless or live in poverty. Nothing is more entertaining than seeing these posters look more and more foolish as they attempt to justify this street murder perpetrated by these civil servants.

Hopefully, when the publicity dies down, some citizen will pay a visit to these policemen and show them what justice looks like.
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The homeless are easy targets for the thugs with badges, because they figure nobody gives a crap about what happens to them and therefore its perfectly OK to take out their anger and frustrations on them. Cops also know that nobody with a badge will ever be convicted for killing a homeless person.
 
Wiggen said:
I love the "..but the jury found them not guilty..." argument. Juries never convict cops of anything, because they have to live in that community. And the one thing you don't want is to have cops mad at you. It's a good way to wind up dead.
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Exaggerated nonsense.
You are wrong.
 
Texmex said:
Anyone who defends these officers has no idea what it is like to deal with the cops when you are homeless or live in poverty. Nothing is more entertaining than seeing these posters look more and more foolish as they attempt to justify this street murder perpetrated by these civil servants.

Hopefully, when the publicity dies down, some citizen will pay a visit to these policemen and show them what justice looks like.
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Your last remark serves you poorly.
 
VanceMack said:
Ramos was a cop. Cops are trained to deal with difficult people. You dont get into power plays with difficult people. He did and he lost control and as a result, he first threatened, then beat the **** of a suspect, a suspect who later died directly due to the actions of a law enforcement officer. There is no mechanism by which a law enforcement officer can or should put their fist in someones face and threaten to beat the **** out of him. Had he done his job, it would have never gotten to that point. Your continued defense of the indefensible speaks volumes.
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Your take on this is absurd. Kelly was not being cooperative, that is not Ramos' fault.
And there was no beating the **** out of anybody. You are knowingly exaggerating by saying such. It is dishonest.
And as testified to, besides the foul language, his actions was within his training. So your statements are ridiculous. Which also makes it defensible.
Your continued insistence that it isn't, and in getting personal, just shows you don't have a leg to stand on. At least not a logical leg.
 
Excon said:
Your take on this is absurd. Kelly was not being cooperative, that is not Ramos' fault.
And there was no beating the **** out of anybody. You are knowingly exaggerating by saying such. It is dishonest.
And as testified to, besides the foul language, his actions was within his training. So your statements are ridiculous. Which also makes it defensible.
Your continued insistence that it isn't, and in getting personal, just shows you don't have a leg to stand on. At least not a logical leg.
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Ramos threatened to beat the **** out of Kelly and then followed through with the beating and what you refer to as a "HOLLOW THREAT," and the "HOLLOW THREAT" is from an armed man. Swallow that turd and you can stop chewing on it. Ramos should be in jail and it is obvious.
 
DaveFagan said:
Ramos threatened to beat the **** out of Kelly and then followed through with the beating and what you refer to as a "HOLLOW THREAT," and the "HOLLOW THREAT" is from an armed man. Swallow that turd and you can stop chewing on it. Ramos should be in jail and it is obvious.
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No Dave, you are wrong.
The only turd here is what you say. So get swallowing.
It was a hollow threat made in an attempt to gain compliance from Kelly. It was not acted upon.
Kelly's later actions caused both Officers to act.
 
Texmex said:
These policemen's actions served Kelly Thomas poorly.
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'Poorly' is a bit of an understatement...but no doubt! The simple fact of the matter is that police officer who should have been trained to deal with difficult people, allowed a guy that was being difficult to frustrate him and he reacted poorly. The police officers failure caused the physical confrontation. Its just not that damn hard.
 
Excon said:
Your take on this is absurd. Kelly was not being cooperative, that is not Ramos' fault.
And there was no beating the **** out of anybody. You are knowingly exaggerating by saying such. It is dishonest.
And as testified to, besides the foul language, his actions was within his training. So your statements are ridiculous. Which also makes it defensible.
Your continued insistence that it isn't, and in getting personal, just shows you don't have a leg to stand on. At least not a logical leg.
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My take on this is precise. My interpretation comes from working thousands of crisis calls with law enforcement officers dealing with people that were actually violent and aggressive, not just passive aggressive assholes. He sent 15:27 engaged in a power play, getting more and more angry and frustrated every tic, until he snapped and committed a criminal act which led to a violent confrontation that didnt have to happen. He threatened to beat the **** out of him, then did, and his actions caused a suspects death.
 
Texmex said:
Anyone who defends these officers has no idea what it is like to deal with the cops when you are homeless or live in poverty. Nothing is more entertaining than seeing these posters look more and more foolish as they attempt to justify this street murder perpetrated by these civil servants.

Hopefully, when the publicity dies down, some citizen will pay a visit to these policemen and show them what justice looks like.
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Truly irresponsible attitude
 
VanceMack said:
My take on this is precise. My interpretation comes from working thousands of crisis calls with law enforcement officers dealing with people that were actually violent and aggressive, not just passive aggressive assholes. He sent 15:27 engaged in a power play, getting more and more angry and frustrated every tic, until he snapped and committed a criminal act which led to a violent confrontation that didnt have to happen. He threatened to beat the **** out of him, then did, and his actions caused a suspects death.
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Again, who snapped and committed a criminal act?

Just answer the Q and leave the other irrelevant bs out
 
ric27 said:
Again, who snapped and committed a criminal act?

Just answer the Q and leave the other irrelevant bs out
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Ramos snapped and committed the criminal act. You cannot threaten to beat the **** out of someone in any circumstance. But hey...feel free to try it. Go find a cop, tell him to get out of your way and if he doesnt comply, ball up your fist and threaten to beat the **** out of him. And dont worry...later, you can explain to the judge that it was really just an empty threat to get a public servant to do what you pay him to do. Im thinking you should have smooooooooooooth sailing.
 
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