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Mayor Claims Christie Camp Held Hurricane Sandy Money Hostage

Pick your politician. Scrutinize him/her closely enough, and you'll see nothing but crap. They're all dirty.

Humans in general are all dirty, the question is to what degree. I try and put myself into the position of a politician handling various issues and understand why they do this or that. A lot of times you can see that they're probably just trying to make the best of a bad situation and they really had no choice but to do something kind of slimy.

This however is ridiculous as he's just pushing his weight around stomping anyone that gets in his way. That's the way he operates as a political strategy. This is not damage control of a tragedy or trying to fluff an unfortunate reality the public would rather not know about.

Its eerily similar to Bush, Valerie Plame, "I'm the decider", "you're either with us or against us". I don't want somebody like that running the country again.
 
Wouldn't surprise me. Christie wouldn't be the first NJ governor to engage in those kind of tactics -- what makes it stand out now in my mind is his efforts to look like a guy who is above that kind of thing.

As a friend of mine said of Christie recently: I don't know which is scarier, the idea that he was involved in this and thinks we're that stupid, or the idea that he built a machine that will pull stunts like this without his knowledge or involvement.

That's how these people operate, all or nothing. He's a bulldog and he will go down in flames while holding up a middle finger to his critics.

What shocks me is how easily people are fooled by his straight arrow "owning" of the scandal. Confidence is a powerful drug and he has an abundance of it, to go out there for two hours and put on a show completely denying everything whatsoever. But that's what sells for most Americans, style over substance. Gut feelings over logic. Emotion over reason.
 
The wolves are out in force. Christie's politucal antagonists could accuse Christie of being a part of the Einsatzgruppen in Poland and the Libbos would jump on it like white on rice.

Why make that comparison when we can just point to what his administration is actually doing, right now, like what this thread is about?
 
Why make that comparison when we can just point to what his administration is actually doing, right now, like what this thread is about?

How about, first, you actually PROVE any wrong doing by Christie, himself? oh, wait...who cares about FACTS.
 
if any nazi comparisons are to be made, the comparison has to be valid.

I wasn't comparing anyone to a Nazi.

Hyperbole (/haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hy-PUR-bə-lee;[1] Greek: ὑπερβολή hyperbolē, "exaggeration") is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.

Hyperbole - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
How about, first, you actually PROVE any wrong doing by Christie, himself? oh, wait...who cares about FACTS.
Verax typed "his administration" which appears to already be in the "proof" stage of wrongdoing with the document dump from a few weeks ago which should be clarified soon with the subpoenas of more docs to arrive on the 3rd of Feb. During the review of those docs we should also find out if Christie himself is involved. That said, neither Christie being involved nor Christie not being involved is a good outcome. If he's involved it shows him to be a hypocritical, devious fraud who was elected with claims of ending NJ corruption. If he's not involved, he still loses because it means he has/had no inking or control over his immediate staff and hired corrupt people to be around him.

Either way, it's pretty much a lose/lose situation.
 
I wasn't comparing anyone to a Nazi.

no but you made a statement that implyed that liberals would take seriously a unsourced claim of christie being associated with the Nazi extermination groups. as a liberal i would not compare anyone to the nazis unless they actually did something with the same cruelty and evil intentions that the nazis are known for.
 
Verax typed "his administration" which appears to already be in the "proof" stage of wrongdoing with the document dump from a few weeks ago which should be clarified soon with the subpoenas of more docs to arrive on the 3rd of Feb. During the review of those docs we should also find out if Christie himself is involved. That said, neither Christie being involved nor Christie not being involved is a good outcome. If he's involved it shows him to be a hypocritical, devious fraud who was elected with claims of ending NJ corruption. If he's not involved, he still loses because it means he has/had no inking or control over his immediate staff and hired corrupt people to be around him.

Either way, it's pretty much a lose/lose situation.

Of course you're going to declare Christie the loser, no matter which way it goes.
 
no but you made a statement that implyed that liberals would take seriously a unsourced claim of christie being associated with the Nazi extermination groups. as a liberal i would not compare anyone to the nazis unless they actually did something with the same cruelty and evil intentions that the nazis are known for.

I also presented you with the definition of hyperbole. Perhaps you should study the information I provided until you understand it's purpose.
 
Of course you're going to declare Christie the loser, no matter which way it goes.
Is there some way you see that he's not either totally stupid and incapable or conversely fully involved? Please explain how this ends up with Christie looking good in anyway.
 
I also presented you with the definition of hyperbole. Perhaps you should study the information I provided until you understand it's purpose.

its harder for me to tell what is hyperbole on a computer blog because i cannot tell how much emotion or seriousness is put into the words.
 
How about, first, you actually PROVE any wrong doing by Christie, himself? oh, wait...who cares about FACTS.

I've made my position clear, would you like to argue those points? TacticalEvilDan made the point earlier that claiming his administration is rogue, right under his nose, is just as frightening. Either way it makes him look bad, no?
 
I've made my position clear, would you like to argue those points? TacticalEvilDan made the point earlier that claiming his administration is rogue, right under his nose, is just as frightening. Either way it makes him look bad, no?

Your proof?

The best part, is how the people that are demanding Christie be brought to justice are the same ones that defend Obama's corruption with their blood.
 
Your proof?

The best part, is how the people that are demanding Christie be brought to justice are the same ones that defend Obama's corruption with their blood.

Re-read the thread and jump in where appropriate instead of asking for "proof".

We're talking about Christie, not Obama. If you would like to talk about about Obama, make a thread or join one already about him.
 
if any nazi comparisons are to be made, the comparison has to be valid.

Its terribly distracting and even if it were valid it is such a taboo comparison its best to never even bring it up whatsoever.
 
Is there some way you see that he's not either totally stupid and incapable or conversely fully involved? Please explain how this ends up with Christie looking good in anyway.

Oh, I dunnno...the whole, "innocent until proven guilty", thing? You know, due process civil rights deal that's in the Constitution? That's how it should work, but we all know that the Leftist propaganda machine will go to town on this and it will be become reality, no matter what the facts are; just like Sarah Palin being able to see Russia from her front porch and Joe McCarthy being the chairman of the HUAC.

And people call ME a partisan hack?...LOL!!!
 
Re-read the thread and jump in where appropriate instead of asking for "proof".

We're talking about Christie, not Obama. If you would like to talk about about Obama, make a thread or join one already about him.

But, if we were talking about Obama you and your pards wouldn't hesitate to talk about Bush...LOL!!!!
 
Oh, I dunnno...the whole, "innocent until proven guilty", thing? You know, due process civil rights deal that's in the Constitution? That's how it should work, but we all know that the Leftist propaganda machine will go to town on this and it will be become reality, no matter what the facts are; just like Sarah Palin being able to see Russia from her front porch and Joe McCarthy being the chairman of the HUAC.

And people call ME a partisan hack?...LOL!!!

what chance have you given liberals to prove their innocence when one of their politicians get in trouble?
 
what chance have you given liberals to prove their innocence when one of their politicians get in trouble?

How many times have you called out Libbo politicos for corruption?
 
Oh, I dunnno...the whole, "innocent until proven guilty", thing? You know, due process civil rights deal that's in the Constitution? That's how it should work, but we all know that the Leftist propaganda machine will go to town on this and it will be become reality, no matter what the facts are; just like Sarah Palin being able to see Russia from her front porch and Joe McCarthy being the chairman of the HUAC.

And people call ME a partisan hack?...LOL!!!
Oh, I see, you can't either imagine a way that he comes out fine. Got it.
 
But, if we were talking about Obama you and your pards wouldn't hesitate to talk about Bush...LOL!!!!

Yes there are political hacks on both sides and we're all guilty of it a little bit.

Sadly though the worst ones (you), fan the flames every chance you get.

/ignore
 
He should go to jail if this is true and everyone involved, same for bridgegate. The same with irs scandal. I mean everyone involved, President and Governor first.
 
Yes there are political hacks on both sides and we're all guilty of it a little bit.

Sadly though the worst ones (you), fan the flames every chance you get.

/ignore

Yeah, that's usually what Libbos say when they're getting their hind-parts handed to them, in any given thread.
 
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