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Could US lose access to Keystone oil? Canada moves to Plan B

AlabamaPaul said:
There are no guarantees in life. If there were we wouldn't be debating policy...
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well i have to admit i don't trust the industry because of the mess caused in the deepwater horizon spill, a accident that should not have happened could have been prevented.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
well i have to admit i don't trust the industry because of the mess caused in the deepwater horizon spill, a accident that should not have happened could have been prevented.
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It's more hazardous moving crude through the rail system than pipelines...
 
apdst said:
To destroy America. That's why.
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Seems like a circuitous route to go about destroying America. Why not start a nuclear war or something more definitive?
 
NIMBY said:
Keystone would also be a bargaining chip throughout this year with legislative matters .
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I suppose it probably will be. It seems today everything and anything that is done in Washington D.C. is political or has political motivation. What can help or benefit my political party is the question that underlies every decision Washington makes these days it seems. Not what is good for the country or her people.

Here:

Government Itself Still Cited as Top U.S. Problem

Then there was the poll which stated 61% of Americans had an unfavorable view of the Republican Party while 54% viewed the Democratic Party unfavorable. So when we go vote in November, it seems people will be voting for the party they hate the least.
 
Perotista said:
There is still time pol, but it is running out.
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I know. I think Hillary liked the idea years ago, when it was first talked about. Who knows? For some reason, Obama seems to think he knows best in all things, though. Appointing a big donor to oversee the IRS scandal investigation certainly proves that, doesn't it? So much for caring what the public thinks, and even some Dems who are concerned about their reelection chances are wondering about that move, because it's too "in your face!"
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Building the pipeline does not garentee access to the oil.

and it won't create jobs for everyone, only those with knowledge of working oil rigs and piplines.

it is only a fig leaf.
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I don't think so on the fig leaf. I read where the keystone pipeline would create 20,000 jobs if not more. I am of the view it is a lot better to have oil from here at home and from Canada than from the middle east and other places overseas.
 
Perotista said:
I don't think so on the fig leaf. I read where the keystone pipeline would create 20,000 jobs if not more. I am of the view it is a lot better to have oil from here at home and from Canada than from the middle east and other places overseas.
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and the spills? need i remind you about deepwater horizon?
 
polgara said:
I know. I think Hillary liked the idea years ago, when it was first talked about. Who knows? For some reason, Obama seems to think he knows best in all things, though. Appointing a big donor to oversee the IRS scandal investigation certainly proves that, doesn't it? So much for caring what the public thinks, and even some Dems who are concerned about their reelection chances are wondering about that move, because it's too "in your face!"
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Yeah, I didn't like her appointment when I first heard of it. Appointing an Obama supporter/donor I mean. This shows me this administration has no intention of ever finding out if there was a there, there. They must have plans on using the IRS again as a political tool.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
and the spills? need i remind you about deepwater horizon?
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I don't think that will happen. One of the problems with the deepwater horizon was being prohibited from drilling closer to shore where a spill could have been more easily managed if it occurred. I personally think the more oil we produced here in the states and in Canada gives Americans more jobs, makes us less energy dependent on foreign oil, it lowers our trade deficits, it also enhances our national security. Why send all that money overseas to give jobs and money to other nations when that money could be spent here along with the jobs and more people working here has the advantage of them paying taxes and also saving us money as they are not drawing unemployment benefits or welfare as they are back to working. It is a win, win situation.
 
Perotista said:
Yeah, I didn't like her appointment when I first heard of it. Appointing an Obama supporter/donor I mean. This shows me this administration has no intention of ever finding out if there was a there, there. They must have plans on using the IRS again as a political tool.
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Apparently that has already begun, considering how few applications were approved for Republican political groups. I wonder when the big publishing houses will be targeted, since Obama will leave a good legacy, or else! It's fascinating to be living in 1984, isn't it? The good thing is we're both 30 years younger than we thought! :thumbs:
 
Perotista said:
I am sure we can lose the keystone pipeline. No doubt if it isn't approved in the near future Canada will have no other choice. IMO Not approving it is the president's way of saying thank you to the greens who supported him.
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Along with being yet another way of saying “**** you!” to the American people, to whom he is supposed to be a servant, but over whom he imagines himself to be the master.
 
MrVicchio said:
Basically, that and moving forward approving keystone isn't beneficial for the DNC in any strategic way.
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One has to wonder what strategic benefit the Democrats think they have in openly appearing to be so solidly against anything that would actually help the economy; and so solidly in favor of those things which are so openly damaging to the economy.

Well, yes, I know there's the angle that Americans who are out of work, and unable to support themselves without the help of government-handouts are going to be more likely to support the Democratic party which is more supportive of these handouts; but how far can this really go? Even the staunchest socialist has to realize that in order to redistribute wealth, there must be some significant part of the population working to produce that wealth; and that damaging the economy to the degree that the Democrats now seem determined to do, runs a very high risk of crossing that tipping-point where there will not be enough Americans still working and producing wealth to support the whole population.
 
Steve Ja said:
It's as good as gone and it really is a shame. Would be great for the economy and overall for the USA. Anything with risk to the environment, that involves oil will be opposed at this point. So much for self sufficient.
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Does Canadian oil count toward US self-sufficiency?
But you have a point about anything 'oil' being the cause du jour. At least it's taking some heat off the Newfoundland seal hunt and Japanese dolphin season.
 
It is an export pipeline that we would be taking American land away from Americans to build, put American land in danger, and not get a drop of oil as a result.
 
Grand Mal said:
Does Canadian oil count toward US self-sufficiency?
But you have a point about anything 'oil' being the cause du jour. At least it's taking some heat off the Newfoundland seal hunt and Japanese dolphin season.
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No but it does equal US jobs. Someone has to maintain the pipeline in America. The self sufficient part comes from the lack of new leases for oil. And as someone stated earlier, if given a choice between Canadian oil, middle east oil, where we aren't even liked I'd take Canada, we should support our neighbors. This includes Mexico, though Mexico seems to have a lot of issues at the moment economically and beyond
 
iacardsfan said:
It is an export pipeline that we would be taking American land away from Americans to build, put American land in danger, and not get a drop of oil as a result.
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Land that was already set aside for the project. Doesn't really take anything away, in fact it adds jobs American jobs, good paying ones too.. the danger to American land is minimal. Everything has risks to land, factories, cars etc etc. Maybe we should just stop all manufacturing become a completely service nation and watch our economy and dollar go to total poop. The positives clearly outweigh the negatives on this deal and it makes sense.
 
Steve Ja said:
Land that was already set aside for the project. Doesn't really take anything away, in fact it adds jobs American jobs, good paying ones too.. the danger to American land is minimal. Everything has risks to land, factories, cars etc etc. Maybe we should just stop all manufacturing become a completely service nation and watch our economy and dollar go to total poop. The positives clearly outweigh the negatives on this deal and it makes sense.
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Trans canada is predicting 2500-4500 jobs. We don't get a drop of oil. Environmental issues. There is a use of eminent domain to confiscate land from people on behalf of the government making money. Poor excuse for taxpayer money.
 
iacardsfan said:
Trans canada is predicting 2500-4500 jobs. We don't get a drop of oil. Environmental issues. There is a use of eminent domain to confiscate land from people on behalf of the government making money. Poor excuse for taxpayer money.
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Nah from what I read the land is already set aside
 
Steve Ja said:
Nah from what I read the land is already set aside
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there are lawsuits in every single state that it is running through about eminent domain. Especially in nebraska and texas.
 
iacardsfan said:
there are lawsuits in every single state that it is running through about eminent domain. Especially in nebraska and texas.
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I'd have to see the details of the lawsuits to make an educated response to them
 
It always amazes me to watch people support eminent domain.
 
polgara said:
Apparently that has already begun, considering how few applications were approved for Republican political groups. I wonder when the big publishing houses will be targeted, since Obama will leave a good legacy, or else! It's fascinating to be living in 1984, isn't it? The good thing is we're both 30 years younger than we thought! :thumbs:
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Heck in 1984 I was still on active duty. I think I first read that book back in high school, early 60's. I really like it.
 
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