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Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164, 712]

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RogueWarrior said:


signs at 1:19, 1:29, 4:43, 6:49, 9:11, Pat Robertson(!) rebuttal 11:17
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Those signs...they are just depressing.
 
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Muhammed said:
I agree. He's a clown and an idiot.
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Intelligence isn't really a big deal to you is it? Not saying you're stupid or an idiot or anything. It just seems you have no regard for it in other people.

Why is that?
 
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This is it.

This is it folks.

You can disregard almost anything else that was said during the debate and this ALONE sums up everything wrong with the creationist point of view.

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In short.

The question was, what would change your mind.

Ken Ham - Nothing

Bill Nye - Evidence

Signed. sealed. delivered.
 
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Lerxst said:
Intelligence isn't really a big deal to you is it? Not saying you're stupid or an idiot or anything. It just seems you have no regard for it in other people.

Why is that?
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The majority of people don't have an IQ that's within 50 points of mine. 158 is a pretty ****in' high IQ.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/academia/173946-16-people-highest-iqs-4.html#post1062413867

I just don't think Bill Nye is very intelligent guy in the first place. And when people like him use their clown personality to scare and misinform kids I think it's disgusting. I also think he might be a child molester.
 
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RogueWarrior said:
where are the stats for the debate?
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Honestly, I'd have to go look, I came across it in passing and didn't bookmark.
 
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Muhammed said:
The majority of people don't have an IQ that's within 50 points of mine. 158 is a pretty ****in' high IQ.

I just don't think Bill Nye is very intelligent guy in the first place. And when people like him use their clown personality to scare and misinform kids I think it's disgusting. I also think he might be a child molester.
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Wild unfounded accusations of child molestation aside, Bill need not be a Mensa poster-boy to outwit the likes of Ken Ham
Ham and his ilk are definitely child abusers. Teaching supernatural fantasy as fact to children who don't know any better is criminal in my honest opinion.
 
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Muhammed said:
The majority of people don't have an IQ that's within 50 points of mine. 158 is a pretty ****in' high IQ.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/academia/173946-16-people-highest-iqs-4.html#post1062413867

I just don't think Bill Nye is very intelligent guy in the first place. And when people like him use their clown personality to scare and misinform kids I think it's disgusting. I also think he might be a child molester.
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Boasting your intelligence score is so hight and then calling Bill Nye idiot for speaking facts seems contradictory. In fact I say you reject AGW which also questions your ability to understand science. So perhaps your score is good, your ability to understand the complexity of science is in question. So as someone with a great deal of knowledge of both science and the Bible let me just say.
1. The stories of the Hebrew Bible were not intended to be seen as science and we see that starting almost from the beginning of those stories being seen as holy.
2. The fact of evolution is not disputable. The mechanism that is part of the Theory of Evolution is always in flux.
3. IQ is not the complete measurement of intelligence. In fact many times what we find is that it measures some very narrow factors.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
No. Do you?
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I've already answered that question.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Jetboogieman said:
This is it.

This is it folks.

You can disregard almost anything else that was said during the debate and this ALONE sums up everything wrong with the creationist point of view.

wpid-Photo-Feb-5-2014-114-PM.jpg


In short.

The question was, what would change your mind.

Ken Ham - Nothing

Bill Nye - Evidence

Signed. sealed. delivered.
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The difference between science and religion. Facts and a process of learning and discovering vs "god said it, I believe it, that settles it." Of course they are taking the word of the bible, which is a man made book that has been changed and revised and altered so many times that even if any of it were true, it is so far afield from what it originally was.

If you want to believe in creationist claptrap, that is fine, just keep it to your church, and out of our taxpayer funded schools...don't intellectually abuse our children.
 
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RogueWarrior said:
Friendly reminder for tonight's debate.
19h00 to 21h30 EST Feb 4

Live streaming from debatelive,org

my Firefox had trouble connecting but IE managed.

Who is going to win?
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Who is to win? Those who respect each other and each other's opinion.
 
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It really wasnt fair!
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The failure is on Bill Nye for giving this guy any credibility for debate. All Bill did was give this creationist a platform and publicity to continue on. For a smart guy, Bill just did a very very dumb thing.
 
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Lerxst said:
Yeah because Bill Nye has no experience with science stuff right? It's not like he graduated from Cornell with a bachelor of science in mechanical engineering (where he studied under Carl Sagan), then worked in the aeronautical engineering field for years, published several educational books for teaching kids about science, then worked on the Mars Explorer project, then became the Vice President and later director of the Planetary Society. Oh and was a professor at Cornell for six years teaching astronomy and human ecology.

You're right no experience with science at all. Man Bill Nye is total fraud.

/sarcasm
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It depresses me to hear what some people call "unaccomplished." If someone like Bill Nye can be said to have no experience, intelligence or accomplishment, what does that say about me? I'm afraid if I were to think about it for too long I'd kill myself.
 
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TheNextEra said:
The failure is on Bill Nye for giving this guy any credibility for debate. All Bill did was give this creationist a platform and publicity to continue on. For a smart guy, Bill just did a very very dumb thing.
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The mistake will usually be one of style when publicly confronting creationists. Well, there's two parts, really. The first is focusing your position so as to stay on the attack, as Bill did. He didn't allow himself to get pulled off message by doing what the science side usually does and exhaust himself defending science against the infinite false allegations by the Creationist side. The second part is more complicated because it involves more than just being right. The attraction of religious myths is that they're entirely self contained and, above all else, really easy to digest. If you're religious, the Judeo-Christian Creation story is easy to repeat and, for a religious person, easy to defend (though of course not from any scientific standpoint). Since public debate is at least half about how you perform in front of an audience, the supreme challenge is to present the science side in just as clean and self contained a fashion as creationism does without demeaning the complexity that scientific theories obviously entail. Bill Nye was great on the first part, but to an audience it would be easy to get the impression that the packaging of his position was a little muddy.
 
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Cardinal said:
The mistake will usually be one of style when publicly confronting creationists. Well, there's two parts, really. The first is focusing your position so as to stay on the attack, as Bill did. He didn't allow himself to get pulled off message by doing what the science side usually does and exhaust himself defending science against the infinite false allegations by the Creationist side. The second part is more complicated because it involves more than just being right. The attraction of religious myths is that they're entirely self contained and, above all else, really easy to digest. If you're religious, the Judeo-Christian Creation story is easy to repeat and, for a religious person, easy to defend (though of course not from any scientific standpoint). Since public debate is at least half about how you perform in front of an audience, the supreme challenge is to present the science side in just as clean and self contained a fashion as creationism does without demeaning the complexity that scientific theories obviously entail. Bill Nye was great on the first part, but to an audience it would be easy to get the impression that the packaging of his position was a little muddy.
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Again, don't really disagree with what you are saying, but the fact Bill Nye would even debate this guy is giving some sort of credence to creationism in the first place.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Again, don't really disagree with what you are saying, but the fact Bill Nye would even debate this guy is giving some sort of credence to creationism in the first place.
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Out of curiosity, what was Hitchens' position on this? He debated religious people more often than I've gone to the bathroom.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Again, don't really disagree with what you are saying, but the fact Bill Nye would even debate this guy is giving some sort of credence to creationism in the first place.
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I agree but it will only sway people to the creationist cause who are already leaning heavily that way to begin with. They will find their way to them regardless. It does highlight the ridiculousness of the creationist position. Remember outside the USA most of the develloped world have long given up on such creation myths and letting the world know there are still people in first world nations with modern educations I think is an important service to humanity.
 
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Cardinal said:
Out of curiosity, what was Hitchens' position on this? He debated religious people more often than I've gone to the bathroom.
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Ever tried metamucil?
 
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Cardinal said:
Out of curiosity, what was Hitchens' position on this? He debated religious people more often than I've gone to the bathroom.
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Hitchens was glad to debate anyone who was trying to present supernatural fantasy as fact
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Hitchens was glad to debate anyone who was trying to present supernatural fantasy as fact
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Sure, I doubt you'd do it as frequently as him if you hated it, I'm just curious if he spoke on debating Creationists with regards to the idea of validating them somehow.
 
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Cardinal said:
Sure, I doubt you'd do it as frequently as him if you hated it, I'm just curious if he spoke on debating Creationists with regards to the idea of validating them somehow.
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Have you ever watched Hitchens debate? Nobody ended up validated by the time he got through with them.
He would tear them to pieces and walk away on the crumbs... Metaphorically of course.
 
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Muhammed said:
The majority of people don't have an IQ that's within 50 points of mine. 158 is a pretty ****in' high IQ.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/academia/173946-16-people-highest-iqs-4.html#post1062413867

I just don't think Bill Nye is very intelligent guy in the first place. And when people like him use their clown personality to scare and misinform kids I think it's disgusting. I also think he might be a child molester.
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Oh wow, very impressive. Congratulations on your test score. I got a between a 140 and a 180 depending on how many times I took a specific test. Boasting of an IQ score on the internet doesn't blow my skirt up for obvious reasons.

Your comments do not reflect a degree of high intelligence or reason.
 
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Muhammed said:
The majority of people don't have an IQ that's within 50 points of mine. 158 is a pretty ****in' high IQ.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/academia/173946-16-people-highest-iqs-4.html#post1062413867

I just don't think Bill Nye is very intelligent guy in the first place. And when people like him use their clown personality to scare and misinform kids I think it's disgusting. I also think he might be a child molester.
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IQ test scores are highly overrated, the ability to think critically is far more important. And yes.. I've done the whole Mensa thing.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Have you ever watched Hitchens debate? Nobody ended up validated by the time he got through with them.
He would tear them to pieces and walk away on the crumbs... Metaphorically of course.
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Huh. I wonder why the guy who asked the question wasn't clapping at the end? :lol:
 
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