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Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164, 712]

Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Believe doesn't require proof, so don't ask for it.

Which is why he is an idiot, for trying to have his dogmatic BS taught in public schools, and calling it "science"

I don't believe in evolution, I accept it as fact, based on the evidence.
 
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I think it's worth asking for when he advocates kids should be taught it in school as scientific fact... Something he brought up more than once during the debate.
That's the trap which let's him get his opponent mad and lose his train of thought. Don't play into it.
Which is why he is an idiot, for trying to have his dogmatic BS taught in public schools, and calling it "science"

I don't believe in evolution, I accept it as fact, based on the evidence.
You guys are letting that troll work you up.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

That's the trap which let's him get his opponent mad and lose his train of thought. Don't play into it.

You guys are letting that troll work you up.

No, I stand for intellect, not this garbage that insults actual science.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

No, I stand for intellect, not this garbage that insults actual science.
You're being baited.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

You're being baited.

Eh, I will always fight ignorance.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

yeah wasn't that a great question!?

Yeah, the bible is a book of fables, it is static, it is full of the scientific knowledge of the time (flat earth, moon creates light, etc). The creationists can never ever discover new information that might invalidate their beliefs. What kind of growth or intellect is that? It is pure dishonesty at its very nature. If Odinism had supplanted Christianity, we would have Odinists claiming that their norse god creates day and night!

Sadly, people are born and raised into this kind of ignorance, they don't wish to ever learn. But things are changing, people are dropping dogma and religion at a rate never before experienced. We all have the entire library of mankind's scientific achievements at our fingertips on the internet, and with that, reason wins out of silly dogma (except for the nutcases that need invisible overlords).
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Eh, I will always fight ignorance.
....I'll just leave this right here.....



Day 1: The first 'light' was the removal of the dense cloud cover Earth had when it formed; 4.4-3.8 x 109 years ago.

With "darkness was over the surface of the deep", Genesis begins around the the start of the Archean eon with a dense layer of clouds and gases which would have made it dark at the Earth's surface. During the early Archean (about 3.0 Ga) the mantle was much hotter than today, probably around 1600 °C. This means the fraction of partially molten material was much larger than today. Gases escaped from the crust, and more gases were released by volcanoes, completing the second atmosphere.

The "separating light from darkness" is the cooling of the Earth, the formation clouds and rain created by the oceans. By the start of the Archean eon oceans already covered the Earth. The new atmosphere probably contained water vapor, carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and smaller amounts of other gases. As the output of the Sun was only 70% of the current amount, significant amounts of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere most likely prevented the surface water from freezing. Free oxygen would have been bound by hydrogen or minerals on the surface. Volcanic activity was intense and, without an ozone layer to hinder its entry, ultraviolet radiation flooded the surface.

Earth Science Lesson 1 Instruction, page 1
Formation of Earth and Life
History of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Day Age Interpretation


Day 2: The formation of a stable water cycle; ~2.7 x 109 years ago

Day 3: Plant life forms on land; ~1.0 x 109 years ago

Day 4: The Earth's achieves it's current 'stellar day': the Earth's rotation relative to fixed stars, which has been and is still ever changing. See also Solar Day, Mean Solar-Day, and Sidereal-Day. Even the Moon's distance from the Earth has always been changing. This is the perpetual nature of evolution.

Day 5: Birds (Feduccia, A. 1995. Explosive evolution in tertiary birds and mammals. Science 267: 637-638, ~70 x 106 years ago), whales (~50 x 10[SUP]6[/SUP] years ago) and sea mammals ("swarms of living creatures," where "creatures" is the Hebrew word nephesh, referring to soulish animals - those that can form relationships with humans) were created, which would correspond to the end of the Cretaceous period/beginning of the Tertiary.

Day 6: The "beasts of the earth" (the Hebrew word is chayyah, which is best translated as "wild animal," usually referring to carnivorous mammals [the extinct families Miacidae and Viverravidae, appeared ~50 x 10[SUP]6[/SUP] years ago or current families Canidae, Felidae, Mustelidae, and Viverridae appeared ~30 x 10[SUP]6[/SUP] years ago]) the wild and domesticated mammals such as cattle (the Hebrew word is behemah, from which we get the word behemoth, the artiodactyls, large grazing mammals, appeared ~15 x 10[SUP]6[/SUP] years ago) and rodents (mammals that "creep on the ground") were created.

Day 7: God kicks His boots off, cracks open a cold one and ti-vo's the latest episode of Braking Bad.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

haven't read many posts on this thread but I'm guessing it's 46 pages of liberals patting themselves on the back on how smart they are. Creationists are slow moving targets boys. don't start signing up for Mensa just yet. ;)
 
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haven't read many posts on this thread but I'm guessing it's 46 pages of liberals patting themselves on the back on how smart they are. Creationists are slow moving targets boys. don't start signing up for Mensa just yet. ;)

Has nothing to do with liberals vs conservatives.

Has to do with intellect and logic vs believing 2000 year old books of fables.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

haven't read many posts on this thread but I'm guessing it's 46 pages of.....
I see only 5 pages.

#perspective
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

....I'll just leave this right here.....



Day 1: The first 'light' was the removal of the dense cloud cover Earth had when it formed; 4.4-3.8 x 109 years ago.

With "darkness was over the surface of the deep", Genesis begins around the the start of the Archean eon with a dense layer of clouds and gases which would have made it dark at the Earth's surface. During the early Archean (about 3.0 Ga) the mantle was much hotter than today, probably around 1600 °C. This means the fraction of partially molten material was much larger than today. Gases escaped from the crust, and more gases were released by volcanoes, completing the second atmosphere.

The "separating light from darkness" is the cooling of the Earth, the formation clouds and rain created by the oceans. By the start of the Archean eon oceans already covered the Earth. The new atmosphere probably contained water vapor, carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and smaller amounts of other gases. As the output of the Sun was only 70% of the current amount, significant amounts of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere most likely prevented the surface water from freezing. Free oxygen would have been bound by hydrogen or minerals on the surface. Volcanic activity was intense and, without an ozone layer to hinder its entry, ultraviolet radiation flooded the surface.

Earth Science Lesson 1 Instruction, page 1
Formation of Earth and Life
History of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Day Age Interpretation


Day 2: The formation of a stable water cycle; ~2.7 x 109 years ago

Day 3: Plant life forms on land; ~1.0 x 109 years ago

Day 4: The Earth's achieves it's current 'stellar day': the Earth's rotation relative to fixed stars, which has been and is still ever changing. See also Solar Day, Mean Solar-Day, and Sidereal-Day. Even the Moon's distance from the Earth has always been changing. This is the perpetual nature of evolution.

Day 5: Birds (Feduccia, A. 1995. Explosive evolution in tertiary birds and mammals. Science 267: 637-638, ~70 x 106 years ago), whales (~50 x 10[SUP]6[/SUP] years ago) and sea mammals ("swarms of living creatures," where "creatures" is the Hebrew word nephesh, referring to soulish animals - those that can form relationships with humans) were created, which would correspond to the end of the Cretaceous period/beginning of the Tertiary.

Day 6: The "beasts of the earth" (the Hebrew word is chayyah, which is best translated as "wild animal," usually referring to carnivorous mammals [the extinct families Miacidae and Viverravidae, appeared ~50 x 10[SUP]6[/SUP] years ago or current families Canidae, Felidae, Mustelidae, and Viverridae appeared ~30 x 10[SUP]6[/SUP] years ago]) the wild and domesticated mammals such as cattle (the Hebrew word is behemah, from which we get the word behemoth, the artiodactyls, large grazing mammals, appeared ~15 x 10[SUP]6[/SUP] years ago) and rodents (mammals that "creep on the ground") were created.

Day 7: God kicks His boots off, cracks open a cold one and ti-vo's the latest episode of Braking Bad.

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Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

The sun wasn't created on the 4th day.

You are demonstrating the same level of ignorance of what the bible says as that creationist is ignorant of what science says. You're both the same.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

You are demonstrating the same level of ignorance of what the bible says as that creationist is ignorant of what science says. You're both the same.

No, just being a bible literalist, you know, playing the game on their own turf.

To expose pure absurdity, sometimes you have to be absurd (reductio ad absurdium)
 
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No, just being a bible literalist, you know, playing the game on their own turf.

To expose pure absurdity, sometimes you have to be absurd (reductio ad absurdium)
You didn't expose an absurdity, though. In fact no part of what I posted record any star being created at all.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

The earth measures days as one rotation upon its axis while in an orbit around the sun that takes 365.242 days to complete a full orbit.

Yeah, bringing in actual science to point out the folly of the bible.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

The earth measures days as one rotation upon its axis while in an orbit around the sun that takes 365.242 days to complete a full orbit.

Yeah, bringing in actual science to point out the folly of the bible.
You mean "yom", because this was written in Hebrew. Yom does not mean 24hrs. it means a finite period of time with a beginning and an end.

This is the beginning of why both YEC and people like yourself are wrong. As I said, you're both the same, equally ignorant of what things actually are, and here you're even making the same mistakes.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Has nothing to do with liberals vs conservatives.

Has to do with intellect and logic vs believing 2000 year old books of fables.

only 2 kinds of people take the bible word for word: extreme liberals and extreme conservatives.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

You mean "yom", because this was written in Hebrew. Yom does not mean 24hrs. it means a finite period of time with a beginning and an end.

Again, the silliness of the bible, because it has been translated so many times and rewritten so many times that is is pretty much just a giant game of "telephone"

You are just interpreting the bible to fit your own predetermined beliefs. A day is 24 hours, a day is not "a day, as god would have it, which is completely unknown because god works in mysterious ways..yadda yadda yadda".

Either be literal 100%, or you are picking and choosing what to believe from your bible...which invalidates it.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

only 2 kinds of people take the bible word for word: extreme liberals and extreme conservatives.
If the bible is in English, and one takes it literally, there will necessarily be problems because Hebrew does not translate very well at all into English.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

You are just interpreting the bible to fit your own predetermined beliefs [modern scientific discoveries].
Everything evolves, even religion.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

You didn't expose an absurdity, though. In fact no part of what I posted record any star being created at all.

It is absurd to literally believe the genesis version of the formation of the universe. It is far too broad and unspecific "God did it", there is no how, no why, no info about time, space, the elements, gravity, etc.

It is the kind of creation story that several civilizations used to try to explain the universe, in lieu of any actual scientific data. That was fine in its day, the bible says the earth is flat, the moon creates its own light, etc. We moved beyond that with actual facts.
 
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It is absurd to literally believe the genesis version of the formation of the universe. It is far too broad and unspecific "God did it", there is no how, no why, no info about time, space, the elements, gravity, etc.

It is the kind of creation story that several civilizations used to try to explain the universe, in lieu of any actual scientific data. That was fine in its day, the bible says the earth is flat, the moon creates its own light, etc. We moved beyond that with actual facts.
The reason you haven't pointed out that many of the dates in the 'theory' I posted are wrong, is that you aren't interested in the scientific process and logical deduction. You're going to bash religion no matter what, and you aren't even very good at it....just like this creationist 'debating' Mr. Nye.
 
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Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Everything evolves, even religion.

Tell that to Ken Ham. He still believes that somehow every animal magically found its way to the Ark (its a miracle) and then set sail for months without leaking or crashing (its a miracle), and all the carnivores became vegetarians (its a miracle) and after the ark landed, somehow there were plants that were alive to eat (its a miracle) and that all the animals somehow made it back to all the continents across the earth without dying (its a miracle), without eating each other (its a miracle), without leaving any fossil record of their trek (its a miracle) and got home, and created a healthy population from just two of their species without any inbreeding damage (its a miracle), managed to become carnivores again once there were enough animals to eat without destroying a species (its a miracle) and managed to find their native foods again that somehow grew back in their native habitats after all that time underwater (its a miracle).

Hell, I'm not even going in to how a 3 toed sloth managed to swim thousands of miles to find an ark, or how reptiles were able to survive on a cold snowy mountain top.

Oh wait......it was a miracle.....
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

How did this turn into "liberals are too stupid to understand the bible"?
 
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