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Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164, 712]

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Bill Nye's entertainment career ended in the 90's. That's what I said, that's how it is. He doesn't have a show anymore. He doesn't go on talk shows. People aren't lining up to interview him.

Maybe that's why he feels the need to come out with whacky controversial garbage like he did: the man is trying to stay relevant.

It's kind of sad actually.

He's like the guy that played Bud Bundy on that 90's show Married with Children. Every couple years you hear something about him trying to make a comeback, but it's just never going to happen.
Apparently you have never seen Modern Family?
 
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That's really one of the problems. Creationists have no way to actually defend creationism, they can't show that it happened, they can't prove anything, they have no evidence, all they can do is try to make the scientist look foolish and claim victory, even though they did nothing whatsoever to earn it.

It doesn't take much to show how foolish and deceitful the evolutionist are. Look at Bill Nye, a non-scientist who started on a kid's television show, teaching third-grade science projects.
 
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I stopped reading at "Bill Nye, the popular TV scientist...."

He hasn't been a relevant public figure for 20 years. His career in television ended long, long ago.

Fist off, Bill Nye is f'n awesome. Secondly, he's been doing continual work in science education and science research since his show. He is completely relevant in the world of popular science.
 
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Right, it was settled 100 years ago.... that's why half of the country doesn't believe in evolution.

I question the accuracy of the claims of Christianity, as do Jews, Muslims, Taoists, Confucianists and Buddhists. In light of this do you now see that Christianity is wrong?
 
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... You do realize that telescopes allow us to observe planets and celestial bodies in creation? We've actually progressed to the point where we can literally look back in time.

:lamo :lamo :lamo
 
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he was recently on Dancing with the Stars

His dancing ability is only surpassed by his scientific prowess.
 
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And bigot is about the nicest word I'd use to describe Bill Nye.

My first question would be, how far do people expect to get in a philosophical discussion that begins with insults? Not far, I hope.

I'm not one of those people who believes in a strictly literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, but what is so unbelievable about the prospect of a creative intelligence?

We have evolved and are still evolving, are we not?
Isn't it possible that life exists (or has existed) on other planets? There are trillions of them after all, many of them just like ours.
Isn't it reasonable to assume that the life on other planets has also evolved or is still evolving, just like us?
Isn't it reasonable to assume that life on other planets could have evolved into something that is beyond our understanding?
If you could create life, would you? We already can create and manipulate life, and we are little more than primates dragging our knuckles through the mud.
Isn't it fair to assume that another being with the ability to create life would use that ability?

I know, there are multiple conclusionary leaps involved here, but which part is absolutely unbelievable? Which part is arguably impossible?

I don't agree with Ham's vision of the universe, nor do I agree with Nye's, but it's hard to find common ground when you are arguing from the two extreme ends of the debate.
I have never heard Bill Nye once argue that it's stupid or wrong to believe in some kind of creative intelligence. I believe he is an atheist and doesn't believe in one, but I've never heard him argue against the idea in general. What he argues against are creationist hacks that want it taught that the earth is a literal 6000 years old and that evolution is a myth. That's what I've heard him argue against. Bill Nye argues for stuff that we have evidence to support such as evolution and the age of the earth. Ken Ham argues for stuff that has demonstrably been proven to be wrong countless times. There are huge differences. If Bill Nye were arguing that he can prove there is and was no creative intelligence at all at any point, then you would have a point.
 
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If ...your children's minds with your religion, you're free to do so, but it won't be done in our public schools without evidence to support it.

During my time working as a substitute teacher here in Texas, I worked for one particular school district, usually teaching in elementary school. It was not uncommon to both teach the children about the foolishness of evolution, but also about God's special creation. In fact, it was not uncommon to lead the classroom in a prayer before going to lunch.

I imagine there are thousands of classrooms where things like this occur, especially in small rural school districts.
 
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His dancing ability is only surpassed by his scientific prowess.

Yeah, well when you design equipment included in our Mars expeditions, then perchance you'll have some room to talk about scientific prowess.
 
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Yeah, well when you design equipment included in our Mars expeditions, then perchance you'll have some room to talk about scientific prowess.

Tell me, concerning the Mars project Nye worked on, did it evolve or did someone with intelligence design it?
 
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Tell me, concerning the Mars project Nye worked on, did it evolve or did someone with intelligence design it?

Tell me, is deflection and sidestepping facts the only way you can make an argument?
 
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During my time working as a substitute teacher here in Texas, I worked for one particular school district, usually teaching in elementary school. It was not uncommon to both teach the children about the foolishness of evolution, but also about God's special creation. In fact, it was not uncommon to lead the classroom in a prayer before going to lunch.

I imagine there are thousands of classrooms where things like this occur, especially in small rural school districts.

I'm well aware, as I was raised in that filth. The cowards like to do it generally only in the elementary schools because the kids are still docile and impressionable, it doesn't go over as well in the high schools, though there are undoubtably people like you that try to teach it anyway.

Would have an issue with say, a muslim, hindu, or shinto teacher in your school teaching all the kids that their religion is right? Or is it only OK when you do it?You have every right to your religion, but you don't have the right to force it onto our nation's kids.
 
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Thinking the earth is 6k years old is as retarded as thinking the distance from New York to California is 6 meters.
I just checked the map I have, and the distance between New York and California is about 6 inches. Admittedly, it's a small map. When I signed up for the ACA, it had my age listed as 6,000 years. Go figure. (Just kidding about the ACA).
 
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You are obviously opposed to continue reading that article past a first few sentences, and preferred to make wild assumptions about Bill Nye. That is the opposite of keeping yourself informed.

Its one thing to make assumptions and observations about the world, and another thing to test those assumptions and observation for accuracy. Everybody makes assumptions, only ignorant people refuse to test and question their observations and assumptions.


I'm opposed to learning, yet how many assumptions did you make in this post of yours?

The reason intellectuals try to avoid making assumptions is because it precludes learning.

Not that it matters, but I do delight a bit in the irony.
 
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Last time I checked, about 30 minutes ago, we "evolutionists" had the fossils and we had the evidence; therefore, we win.
 
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Again, I am NOT an atheist, but I have a huge problem with teaching children intelligent design. Ham's Intelligent Design Museum teaches that children had pet dinosaurs and the great flood carved out the grand canyon.

I have a problem with teaching that stuff to children in a science class. If belief in God is brought up and mentioned in science class, that is different. But it is not a teacher's place to tell students that the Book of Genesis is not meant to be taken literally and that its all an allegory, or that science doesn't prove Genesis wrong because Genesis is correct and science is all fairytales and guessing.

If anything, I think it would be a great exercise for students to learn about scientists like Galileo who were persecuted for having discovered scientific facts like the earth is round and it is moving and revolving. They were Christian and they were also scientist, their lives were threatened, their books were banned and burned, and they faced execution. Yet they never recanted their discoveries, which were observable scientific fact, and their discoveries did not turn them into atheists.

Their discoveries are not controversial anymore, and the entire world didn't go atheist because of it. I see no point or value in religious groups stifling scientific knowledge. If we discovered alien life on another planet, it wouldn't cause me to doubt God either.





I'm not afraid people will walk out atheist - because people can believe whatever they want.

In line with that thinking, I don't see any problem teaching both theories in school and allowing kids to believe what they want.

The atheists are the ones trying to silence one side of the debate. I'm simply saying let's give equal time to both sides.
 
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I just saw the mod warning...
 
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There is a difference between the theories and the facts of evolution. Evolution of life forms is observable within the time span of average, human lives. And many people accept scientific theories of all sorts, such as the popular scientific theory of plate tectonics. I've also met a number of people opposed evolution like yourself, who had trouble grasping that plate tectonics is a scientific theory and not a scientic fact as a whole. That would indicate that some people really don't understand the fundamentals of scientific study and methodology.

The theory of evolution, in simplistic terms, states that you and I evolved from slime on a rock. Granted, we were fish for a little while, then tiny salamander looking things, then rodents.

Forgive me, but it all seems a bit Harry Potter-esque to me.
 
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The Big Bang is not evolution.



In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth.....


No...wait...thats silly.

In the beginning there was...nothing...a vast expanse of nothing which can only be described as a nothingness...a vacuum...a complete lack of existence of all matter of any nature. Nothing...less than the size of a pinpoint...less because in fact even the pinpoint didnt exist. There was in every way, shape and form...nothing. Less than nothing. Then...there was this mysterious explosion...or rather implosion...caused by...nothing...which suddenly and in an instant created matter of all nature, planets, elements, and an ever expanding cosmos........
 
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In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth.....


No...wait...thats silly.

In the beginning there was...nothing...a vast expanse of nothing which can only be described as a nothingness...a vacuum...a complete lack of existence of all matter of any nature. Nothing...less than the size of a pinpoint...less because in fact even the pinpoint didnt exist. There was in every way, shape and form...nothing. Less than nothing. Then...there was this mysterious explosion...or rather implosion...caused by...nothing...which suddenly and in an instant created matter of all nature, planets, elements, and an ever expanding cosmos........

Vacuum fluctuations happen, even in our expanded universe. Measured system.
 
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Vacuum fluctuations happen, even in our expanded universe. Measured system.

Vacuum fluctuations indeed happen, however a more educated creationists would simply ask "Where did the vacuum come from?"

Cheers,
Fallen.
 
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Vacuum fluctuations indeed happen, however a more educated creationists would simply ask "Where did the vacuum come from?"

Cheers,
Fallen.

A vacuum is merely nothing. If nothing exists then there is your vacuum. It's banal platitude to query the vacuum.
 
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A vacuum is merely nothing. If nothing exists then there is your vacuum. It's banal platitude to query the vacuum.

You and I know that vacuum isn't "nothing" - at least not in a complete "nothingness" sense of the word as non science related people mean and understand it.

Cheers,
Fallen.
 
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You and I know that vacuum isn't "nothing" - at least not in a complete "nothingness" sense of the word as non science related people mean and understand it.

Cheers,
Fallen.

I think you're stretching. I think that you don't know the real questions to ask in relation to quantum uncertainty. You grabbed onto the word vacuum without understanding vacuum fluctuations, or so it seems.
 
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