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Billy Graham's Kid: Pope 'Not the Judge' of Homosexuality

God's word doesn't change, which is why Christians don't eat shrimp and support the stoning death of women who have sex before marriage.
 
this isn't a misleading post/article...:roll:
 
Deuce said:
God's word doesn't change, which is why Christians don't eat shrimp and support the stoning death of women who have sex before marriage.
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as they will a million years from now ;)
 
I had to google Billy Graham, it says he's an evangelical, which means his opinion is completely worthless except to the ignorant sods that make up his victims, I mean congregation.
 
rocket88 said:
Billy Graham's Kid: Pope 'Not the Judge' of Homosexuality - 'God is,' and 'this is sin,' says Franklin Graham

Someone's trying to get a headline by stating the obvious. LOL @ Christian Right falling all over itself to distance themselves from the Pope.
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Well


Graham is just confirming what the pope stated.

Graham today waded into the topic of homosexuality and the current pope, telling Meet the Press that Francis was "right when he said he's not the judge. He's not the judge
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Where Graham is wrong is


Graham added that his views won't change, that for that to happen, "God would have to shift—and God doesn’t. God’s word is the same, yesterday and today and a million years from now
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The word of god has changed, the old testament is vastly different in tone then the new testament, the chosen people went from just jews to people who believe in god and lead a good life
 
ChezC3 said:
this isn't a misleading post/article...:roll:
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So I guess you can point us to the actual quote of what he said....

Here's what he is quoted as saying

telling Meet the Press that Francis was "right when he said he's not the judge. He's not the judge. God is the judge."
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Since he was on TV, it should be easy to come up with the unedited video that shows what he actually said.
 
shrubnose said:
Franklin Graham is a hate-filled loser.

Pope Francis has never claimed that he was the judge of gay people.
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truth be told

Pope Francis specifically stated he is not the judge of gay people
 
rocket88 said:
So I guess you can point us to the actual quote of what he said....

Here's what he is quoted as saying



Since he was on TV, it should be easy to come up with the unedited video that shows what he actually said.
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So the point of contention is that Billy Graham's kid and the pope are in agreement and this is divisive............................................how, exactly?
 
ChezC3 said:
So the point of contention is that Billy Graham's kid and the pope are in agreement and this is divisive............................................how, exactly?
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I believe it is in the tone and expectation of what comes next.

The Pope I expect is not going to be pushing against gay marriage, or push to make laws making homosexuality illegal, as many evangelical ministers due (Uganda for instance). Graham is I expect going to push to prevent homosexual marriage, and would if the public mood allowed push to make it illegal again (which by law it is in some states I believe, the act not just being)
 
What a weird thread. I don't think even the OP knows what its about.
 
Deuce said:
God's word doesn't change, which is why Christians don't eat shrimp and
support the stoning death of women who have sex before marriage.
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And of people who pick up firewood on the Sabbath day.




If God's word doesn't change what was the message that Jesus Christ brought to the world?
 
My wife and I saw that interview this morning. 'Son of' said a bit more than the not the judge thing. He went on to claim he couldn't turn a blind eye/wink at or some such phrase- to homosexuality as it is a sin.

I understand that, but adulterers are not turned away. It has always been a tenant of the New Evangelical Faith that we are all sinners and only through accepting Jesus as our lord and savior can we ever hope to gain the Kingdom of Heaven.

I'd say no one is asking religious leaders to accept homosexuality unconditionally, but if the Religious Right doesn't actively deny rights to adulterers, or folks who are not Christians, Jews do get to marry, then perhaps they can let gay folks pursue Life Liberty and Happiness in the secular world.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I believe it is in the tone and expectation of what comes next.

The Pope I expect is not going to be pushing against gay marriage, or push to make laws making homosexuality illegal, as many evangelical ministers due (Uganda for instance). Graham is I expect going to push to prevent homosexual marriage, and would if the public mood allowed push to make it illegal again (which by law it is in some states I believe, the act not just being)
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A 2003 SCOTUS ruling reversed its previous ruling of Bowers v. Hardwick(1986) with Lawrence v. Texas which invalidated all sodomy laws.

The Church's teaching on homosexuality won't change. The Pope has done a good job of confusing people about this fact. Some dislike it, others love it, some like myself simply shrug it off. Unfortunately not enough people know the Church's teaching on this which would encourage dialogue.

If I were to let my cynical side take complete control, I'd say the Pope's position is simply a matter of "If you're gay? C'mon down, we'll take your money, but just so you know, you're still going to Hell..."

Fortunately I rarely allow myself to get so cynical. I think it's a matter of "Come, join in the celebration of Christ, you're the one who has to answer for what you've done and what you do."

Unfortunately, as has been shown, this usually gives individuals a false sense of entitlement, like the liberties they take regarding contraception and abortion, to try and change the Church as they see fit. They want to conform the Church to their view of things rather than conform themselves to the Church's.

That I can't abide.
 
A preacher says something the Libbos don't like and he's a "hate filled loser".

A preacher says something the Libbos like and he's wonderful.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I believe it is in the tone and expectation of what comes next.

The Pope I expect is not going to be pushing against gay marriage, or push to make laws making homosexuality illegal, as many evangelical ministers due (Uganda for instance). Graham is I expect going to push to prevent homosexual marriage, and would if the public mood allowed push to make it illegal again (which by law it is in some states I believe, the act not just being)
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Be sure and get back with us when gay marriage is officially recognized by the Vatican.
 
apdst said:
Be sure and get back with us when gay marriage is officially recognized by the Vatican.
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Never said it would, just that under Pope Francis it wont push to make them illegal
 
apdst said:
Gay marriage isn't "illegal", anyway.
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If it is not legal, then by definition it is illegal.

it is legal in some countries and a few states
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I believe it is in the tone and expectation of what comes next.

The Pope I expect is not going to be pushing against gay marriage, or push to make laws making homosexuality illegal, as many evangelical ministers due (Uganda for instance). Graham is I expect going to push to prevent homosexual marriage, and would if the public mood allowed push to make it illegal again (which by law it is in some states I believe, the act not just being)
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Before becoming Pope, Cardinal Bergoglio led the opposition to homosexual marriage in Argentina. His exact quote: "Let's not be naive: this isn't a simple political fight, it's an attempt to destroy God's plan. This is no mere legislative bill. It is a move by the father of lies to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

He also opposes adoption of children by homosexuals and just encouraged Bishop Scicluna of Malta to condemn it in his Christmas sermon. Malta is currently debating a civil unions bill that would allow it.

Context is everything. When the Pope made his remarks about not judging homosexuals he was answering a question regarding an alleged gay lobby in the Vatican whose attempts at blackmail had led Pope Benedict to retire as he thought a younger man was needed to counter their influence.
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On the 'gay lobby' and homosexuality

The pope addressed the issue of an alleged "gay lobby" within the church. Hints that the Holy See contained a network of gay clergy surfaced last year in reports about a series of embarrassing leaks to Italian journalists.

The "Vatileaks" scandal factored in Benedict's shocking decision to resign this year, according to some church experts, as it impressed upon the 86-year-old pontiff that the modern papacy requires a vigorous and watchful presence.

"There's a lot of talk about the gay lobby, but I've never seen it on the Vatican ID card!" Francis said.

"When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn't be marginalized. The tendency (to homosexuality) is not the problem ... they're our brothers."

The problem, he said was, lobbies that work against the interest of the church.
 
apdst said:
A preacher says something the Libbos don't like and he's a "hate filled loser".

A preacher says something the Libbos like and he's wonderful.
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Conservatives are so much more classy. I never heard any of them call the Pope a Communist for saying something they don't like.
 
I have long expected Franklin Graham to run for President, or make a run at the nomination at least.
 
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