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GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

Texmex said:
I would be I favor of having these poor children's parents be the ones cleaning up the school so their children can eat free. Maybe then they will get a job and care for their own children without always needing a handout.
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What if they already have a job? You realize that if the school janitor had a kid, that kid would qualify for the free or reduced lunch program because of the janitors income.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I am not against giving older kids the opportunity to earn money at school. I remember we used to get paid to clean the gym after games. I am against a guy that at minimum came out of an upper middle class childhood saying that kids should have to work for the free lunch program as if its some 2nd graders fault his parents are poor. His implication of course is that if we allow a poor kid to get a free lunch at school, it will lead to a lifetime of laziness.
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it is not hard to see three generations that live or lived in the projects or other types of government housing
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
What if they already have a job? You realize that if the school janitor had a kid, that kid would qualify for the free or reduced lunch program because of the janitors income.
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bull****, I was a janitor with a kid and a wife while attending school, we did not qualify
 
Rocketman said:
bull****, I was a janitor with a kid and a wife while attending school, we did not qualify
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You must have been the highest paid janitor in the country then. You can qualify for the free or reduced lunch program at 185% of the federal poverty level.
 
I think all kids should work in the school and do chores. Not just the poor ones.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
You must have been the highest paid janitor in the country then. You can qualify for the free or reduced lunch program at 185% of the federal poverty level.
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not in 1985, of course with all the giveaways now. Democratic leadership makes for a much weaker America
 
Rocketman said:
not in 1985, of course with all the giveaways now. Democratic leadership makes for a much weaker America
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Its always been 185% of the poverty level. The free and reduced lunch program has been around since 1946. It has never even been a partisan issue until this crop of nutters took office. You may have chosen not to apply for it or take advantage of it, which is fine. That does not mean you would not have qualified. We sure would have qualified when I was kid back then, we never took advantage of it though. Personally, and I think the vast majority of Americans regardless of their politics would agree, I want these kids in school getting an education no matter how poor they are, and I have problem buying them a lunch while they are there in school getting an education. If they are ever going to climb out of poverty, the first step on that ladder will be a decent education….. and I say this as someone that has never taken one cent from the government, not even so much an unemployment check.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Its always been 185% of the poverty level. The free and reduced lunch program has been around since 1946. It has never even been a partisan issue until this crop of nutters took office. You may have chosen not to apply for it or take advantage of it, which is fine. That does not mean you would not have qualified. We sure would have qualified when I was kid back then, we never took advantage of it though. Personally, and I think the vast majority of Americans regardless of their politics would agree, I want these kids in school getting an education no matter how poor they are, and I have problem buying them a lunch while they are there in school getting an education. If they are ever going to climb out of poverty, the first step on that ladder will be a decent education….. and I say this as someone that has never taken one cent from the government, not even so much an unemployment check.
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14k was the cutoff, we made about 25k at that time, so no we did not qualify
 
Phil_Osophy said:
I think all kids should work in the school and do chores. Not just the poor ones.
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Ever deal with rich VIP helicopter parents?Tell them to make their kids work at school and you'll get Duck--ed if you're a teacher..
 
NIMBY said:
Ever deal with rich VIP helicopter parents?Tell them to make their kids work at school and you'll get Duck--ed if you're a teacher..
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Not to mention when are these young kids going to work? Kids start getting homework now in kindergarten. It was not uncommon for our kids to have an hour or two of homework even in the first and second grades some nights. Throw in scouts and some sports and kids are pretty much booked solid anymore.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Not to mention when are these young kids going to work? Kids start getting homework now in kindergarten. It was not uncommon for our kids to have an hour or two of homework even in the first and second grades some nights. Throw in scouts and some sports and kids are pretty much booked solid anymore.
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I may sound like a kid here, but i am against mandatory homework.

That said, our education system needs complete reform.
 
NIMBY said:
Ever deal with rich VIP helicopter parents?Tell them to make their kids work at school and you'll get Duck--ed if you're a teacher..
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Then their kids can either fail or go to a private school that pampers them like the little bitches they are.
 
Phil_Osophy said:
Then their kids can either fail or go to a private school that pampers them like the little bitches they are.
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I take it you've never dealt with school boards and administrators in "real life"..They ARE the VIP helicopter parents, as are their social friends in the upper caste..I do like the sentiment of your post though .
 
Phil_Osophy said:
I may sound like a kid here, but i am against mandatory homework.

That said, our education system needs complete reform.
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I agree I think in many cases homework is just punitive.
 
I thought the purpose of homework was to reinforce through practice what's taught in the classroom.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't agree. I'll stick with having the parents work for the free lunches. The kids aren't really responsible for the situation their parents put their families in.

Having said that, I think giving kids the opportunity to learn about TANSTAAFL is a good thing. Just don't tie it to something that's not their fault.


"Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" was my first.
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This is a real long shot and I have no idea why this question came to mind but how do you feel about paying children to go to school? They could pay for their own lunches. Higher grades, more per hour or class or whatever measurement?

Just a stray question. I'm not looking to derail anything.
 
nota bene said:
I thought the purpose of homework was to reinforce through practice what's taught in the classroom.
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The home should be out of the schools jurisdiction. Practice is good, but it should be up to the students whether they want to practice at home.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I have never taken a cent in any government benefits for anything. Not even so much as an unemployment check. However, I do not believe that a little kid should be given manual labor for a 2 dollar lunch because their parents are poor. I think as a society we can afford to give these kids a lunch when they go to school. I would imagine that at least 90% of people share my view on that.
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Children should learn how to earn their keep. This is done in my household. I see nothing wrong with children earning their lunch, sweeping or cleaning the cafeteria when lunch is over is perfectly acceptable. Quite frankly I would insist they earn their keep regardless of whether it was required or not. To blunt I would insist ALL of the children do regardless of whether the lunch is provided by the state or not. Now mind you I will never allow a child of mine to set foot on public school grounds for the purpose of an education.
 
Exactly. Every kid in the school should have a job. If there arent enough to go around, rotate them.
 
Phil_Osophy said:
The home should be out of the schools jurisdiction. Practice is good, but it should be up to the students whether they want to practice at home.
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Sorry; I don't think the students should get a vote on whether they have homework or not.
 
nota bene said:
Sorry; I don't think the students should get a vote on whether they have homework or not.
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Then give your kids homework and force them to do it. School should be separate from the home. If you want to instill good practice, thats good. By all means. I agree with it. However, i dont agree with public schools extending their reach to the home.
 
specklebang said:
This is a real long shot and I have no idea why this question came to mind but how do you feel about paying children to go to school? They could pay for their own lunches. Higher grades, more per hour or class or whatever measurement?

Just a stray question. I'm not looking to derail anything.
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Who do you have in mind to do the paying?

I don't have a problem with a family deciding that's the way they want to go with their own kids, but I don't want any more government involvement than we already have.
 
nota bene said:
I thought the purpose of homework was to reinforce through practice what's taught in the classroom.
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Homework--not rote work--tweak problems--extend learning--critically think--though retired, I see high schools forced into four years of english, math and science on ACT/SAT/State tests during the 3rd/junior year..Three good years in high school should pass--an accelerated 8th grade should excel .
 
Phil_Osophy said:
Then give your kids homework and force them to do it. School should be separate from the home. If you want to instill good practice, thats good. By all means. I agree with it. However, i dont agree with public schools extending their reach to the home.
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Oh, please. Don't overdramatize.
 
notquiteright said:
Now you are just making stuff up to trot your favorite stalking horse out for. :roll:

I NEVER said some don't work, I WORKED, my daughter WORKED, you claim to have.... but what I said is there is a legion of coddled middle class brats who think being badgered to take out the trash somehow is the same as working for their allowance. NO KID should have to work before he/she has a learner's permit. No kid should have to work for food but hard cash like the rest of us.

FYI I come from a very distant day and I NEVER heard of kids working in the cafeteria, just what work did the school have children do? (You really think that taught any kid 'hard work' gets you a damn thing... more like ya have to do some suck-ass things to keep the creep off your back)

I NEVER said anything about everything in life is entitled.... POINT TO WHERE I DID!

I have said a poor kid can't get off a murder rap coz he didn't learn at home- DID SAY a very rich kid got to skip out on multiple murders for that very 'reason'.

It is very bigoted to think kids don't learn to work for what they want just because their parents don't earn enough so they qualify for free lunches...

It is very bigoted to think rural kids don't suffer from the same 'sense of entitlement', hell I've seen rural losers think the world owes them something because their last names is....... and 'grand daddy homesteaded here in 1907!' :doh

One of the richest wheat farmers around here ran for the water district commissioner awhile back, man had served on the national wheat board and was running for this piss-pot job. I found out why, he had cancer and his insurance was going to hit him up for a HUGE premium increase. Now it isn't he couldn't afford that but he is a .......... dammitt, he deserves better! As a Commissioner he got FREE insurance that must have cost us taxpayers plenty!

So you can put away your stereotypes, you are HIGHLY selective in using them.
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Children best be working before they turn ten is all I got say.
 
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