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GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

Those lazy 3rd and 4th graders should stop whining and get to cleaning if they expect to eat free food.
 
So let me get this right....

Supposedly kids with parents living in poverty don't understand the value of a dollar or that there's no free lunch...

But apparently kids from wealthier background do?

You have to be ****ing kidding me!
 
CalGun said:
And gee where are the biggest problems in society - rural or suburbia? Hmm and one has to work hard and one just wants from the other? Shocking.
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Well to hear the CON whine it is urban not suburban or rural. And I would remind you plenty of rural kids qualify for free lunches- should they sweep the floors as well???

I can't say I have seen any study claiming child labor on farms leads to a strong work ethic or a shunning of any free hand-outs from the government. Plenty of unwed moms using the healthcare clinic in rural Oklahoma. Plenty of SNAP cards used in the local grocery store.

So you can't just make blanket statements because of what you did.
 
Fiddytree said:
There's not much wrong with teaching them the value of hard work.
There is something wrong with teaching a child that because of his or her parent's financial situation, he/she gets to do manual labor for the school food essentially handed to his or her classmates by their parents without nearly as much thought.
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This idea does help to send home the fact that there is an upper class and a lower class in the USA so that when it comes time for these kids to vote they will know who is on their side and who is on the other side.




"Republicans have been accused of abandoning the poor. It's the other way around. They never vote for us." Dan Quayle
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

This guy is the son of a university professor. He had a fairly privileged upbringing and thus has no idea what it is like to grow up poor as a kid. What an asshole. I mean what is he wanting to stand there at the lunch line and tell some 1st grader "Hey kid, you can have your Chilimac today, but first I need you to take this broom here and sweep the floor in front of all your friends".

Personally, I grew up poor. Very poor actually, we did not take free or reduced lunches, we just brought ours instead (the same crappy lunch every day). However, I know what its like to be a poor kid. I know what its like to boil water to take a bath in for months on end because your gas is cut off. I know what its like having no A/C in Arkansas summers living in a trailer. This guy has no idea. Despite growing up poor, I always knew the value of work, indeed growing up poor is what instilled it in me. I got my first real job when I was 15 and have worked my whole life since. Before I was married I worked 2 jobs to get ahead. We would be considered upper middle class now I suppose, but I worked hard to get here and I did not need some privileged extreme right jackass to instill that in me. How crazy and mean do these guys have to get before we all say this is ridiculous, go home, and for God sakes get the hell out of government. We don't want people like you, Jack Kingston, telling us how to run our lives or our country. I don't see this one as a right or left issue, I see it as an anti-jackass issue.
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Isn't that in violation of child labor laws?
 
iliveonramen said:
So let me get this right....

Supposedly kids with parents living in poverty don't understand the value of a dollar or that there's no free lunch...

But apparently kids from wealthier background do?
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You have to be ****ing kidding me!
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Those who are standing on top of a mountain of dollars have a different view of the world than those who are standing in line at a food bank.
 
You don't understand conservatives you just like to throw bombs and names around like the elitist progressive you portray on the Internet. A conservative would say, and I do, that all kids should be cleaning the school, the cafeteria and when I was in school we did just that on rotation. We had a kitchen rotation and we worked it. But today's coddled leftist loser humans need hand outs and as you have so well illustrated here on the forum you can't imagine having a poor / rich or any child actually work for a bite to eat. You think everything in life is entitled, and I call BS. But that's ok once you break the system and it collapses around you those who understand work, self sufficiency and living without the grubbynutt hand out will be the one's sticking around and getting the job done.

Ready "One Second After" it will tell you what happens to the inept.


notquiteright said:
Well to hear the CON whine it is urban not suburban or rural. And I would remind you plenty of rural kids qualify for free lunches- should they sweep the floors as well???

I can't say I have seen any study claiming child labor on farms leads to a strong work ethic or a shunning of any free hand-outs from the government. Plenty of unwed moms using the healthcare clinic in rural Oklahoma. Plenty of SNAP cards used in the local grocery store.

So you can't just make blanket statements because of what you did.
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CalGun said:
You don't understand conservatives you just like to throw bombs and names around like the elitist progressive you portray on the Internet. A conservative would say, and I do, that all kids should be cleaning the school, the cafeteria and when I was in school we did just that on rotation. We had a kitchen rotation and we worked it. But today's coddled leftist loser humans need hand outs and as you have so well illustrated here on the forum you can't imagine having a poor / rich or any child actually work for a bite to eat. You think everything in life is entitled, and I call BS. But that's ok once you break the system and it collapses around you those who understand work, self sufficiency and living without the grubbynutt hand out will be the one's sticking around and getting the job done.
Ready "One Second After" it will tell you what happens to the inept.
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I call bull**** unless you were in some Youth detention center.
 
CalGun said:
You don't understand conservatives you just like to throw bombs and names around like the elitist progressive you portray on the Internet. A conservative would say, and I do, that all kids should be cleaning the school, the cafeteria and when I was in school we did just that on rotation. We had a kitchen rotation and we worked it. But today's coddled leftist loser humans need hand outs and as you have so well illustrated here on the forum you can't imagine having a poor / rich or any child actually work for a bite to eat. You think everything in life is entitled, and I call BS. But that's ok once you break the system and it collapses around you those who understand work, self sufficiency and living without the grubbynutt hand out will be the one's sticking around and getting the job done.

Ready "One Second After" it will tell you what happens to the inept.
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Now you are just making stuff up to trot your favorite stalking horse out for. :roll:

I NEVER said some don't work, I WORKED, my daughter WORKED, you claim to have.... but what I said is there is a legion of coddled middle class brats who think being badgered to take out the trash somehow is the same as working for their allowance. NO KID should have to work before he/she has a learner's permit. No kid should have to work for food but hard cash like the rest of us.

FYI I come from a very distant day and I NEVER heard of kids working in the cafeteria, just what work did the school have children do? (You really think that taught any kid 'hard work' gets you a damn thing... more like ya have to do some suck-ass things to keep the creep off your back)

I NEVER said anything about everything in life is entitled.... POINT TO WHERE I DID!

I have said a poor kid can't get off a murder rap coz he didn't learn at home- DID SAY a very rich kid got to skip out on multiple murders for that very 'reason'.

It is very bigoted to think kids don't learn to work for what they want just because their parents don't earn enough so they qualify for free lunches...

It is very bigoted to think rural kids don't suffer from the same 'sense of entitlement', hell I've seen rural losers think the world owes them something because their last names is....... and 'grand daddy homesteaded here in 1907!' :doh

One of the richest wheat farmers around here ran for the water district commissioner awhile back, man had served on the national wheat board and was running for this piss-pot job. I found out why, he had cancer and his insurance was going to hit him up for a HUGE premium increase. Now it isn't he couldn't afford that but he is a .......... dammitt, he deserves better! As a Commissioner he got FREE insurance that must have cost us taxpayers plenty!

So you can put away your stereotypes, you are HIGHLY selective in using them.
 
jamesrage said:
I do not agree with making the poor cleans clean because their parents can't afford school lunch or are too lazy to make their kids lunches. I do think all the kids should clean the school. Make the kids responsible for cleaning their classrooms (or homeroom if they attend a school that has separate classrooms and teachers for different subjects)at the end of the school day and different classrooms can take turns cleaning their section of the hallway and the nearby restrooms. I think this would teach kids to take better care of things.
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I agree with this. In grade school I went to, it was a Catholic private school though, the kids would all rotate chores after lunch instead of going recess. Each week it would rotate and the boys took out the trash and helped the lunch ladies put everything away while the girls washed the tables and swept the floor. It was actually kinda fun and we would always work together and you would get to know other people outside your normal clique.
 
Mycroft said:
I see nothing wrong with teaching a child that TANSTAAFL. Heck, I taught my own two sons that lesson at an early age.
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so how did your children pay your for their lunch money? Strangely I've rarely heard of non-poor children being expected to pay their parents back for lunch, or breakfast, or dinner. Hmm, but poor kids whose parents don't have that money should have to work to be fed? It takes a special kind of hate to think children should work to have the honor of not being hungry.
 
You can call BS all you want, its what we did in a "small town" school district in the 70's. You call it progress I call it socialist crap.


HenryChinaski said:
I call bull**** unless you were in some Youth detention center.
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Isn't that what liberals do? How often do we engage in social policy due to the "poor" story of this person or that?


notquiteright said:
Now you are just making stuff up to trot your favorite stalking horse out for. :roll:

I NEVER said some don't work, I WORKED, my daughter WORKED, you claim to have.... but what I said is there is a legion of coddled middle class brats who think being badgered to take out the trash somehow is the same as working for their allowance. NO KID should have to work before he/she has a learner's permit. No kid should have to work for food but hard cash like the rest of us.

FYI I come from a very distant day and I NEVER heard of kids working in the cafeteria, just what work did the school have children do? (You really think that taught any kid 'hard work' gets you a damn thing... more like ya have to do some suck-ass things to keep the creep off your back)

I NEVER said anything about everything in life is entitled.... POINT TO WHERE I DID!

I have said a poor kid can't get off a murder rap coz he didn't learn at home- DID SAY a very rich kid got to skip out on multiple murders for that very 'reason'.

It is very bigoted to think kids don't learn to work for what they want just because their parents don't earn enough so they qualify for free lunches...

It is very bigoted to think rural kids don't suffer from the same 'sense of entitlement', hell I've seen rural losers think the world owes them something because their last names is....... and 'grand daddy homesteaded here in 1907!' :doh

One of the richest wheat farmers around here ran for the water district commissioner awhile back, man had served on the national wheat board and was running for this piss-pot job. I found out why, he had cancer and his insurance was going to hit him up for a HUGE premium increase. Now it isn't he couldn't afford that but he is a .......... dammitt, he deserves better! As a Commissioner he got FREE insurance that must have cost us taxpayers plenty!

So you can put away your stereotypes, you are HIGHLY selective in using them.
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Next thing you know they will make the kids wear uniforms.
 
CalGun said:
You don't understand conservatives you just like to throw bombs and names around like the elitist progressive you portray on the Internet. A conservative would say, and I do, that all kids should be cleaning the school, the cafeteria and when I was in school we did just that on rotation. We had a kitchen rotation and we worked it. But today's coddled leftist loser humans need hand outs and as you have so well illustrated here on the forum you can't imagine having a poor / rich or any child actually work for a bite to eat. You think everything in life is entitled, and I call BS. But that's ok once you break the system and it collapses around you those who understand work, self sufficiency and living without the grubbynutt hand out will be the one's sticking around and getting the job done.

Ready "One Second After" it will tell you what happens to the inept.
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Kingston is from the "I Got Mine, **** You!" contingent of the GOP, aka Tea Party. His voting record tells you all you need to know.

Kingston, formerly of the Agriculture Appropriations Committee, supported giving billionaires millions upon millions in farm subsidies for doing nothing, no work at all. Kingston supports the heavily government subsidized dairy industry but doesn't want to support poor children who need a good lunch or even breakfast. Kingston supports paying farmers millions to grow no crops, to do nothing while demanding poor children work to eat at school. Kingston talking out of his flabby white ass says poor, largely black children need to learn work ethic. :thumbdown
 
Summerwind said:
so how did your children pay your for their lunch money? Strangely I've rarely heard of non-poor children being expected to pay their parents back for lunch, or breakfast, or dinner. Hmm, but poor kids whose parents don't have that money should have to work to be fed? It takes a special kind of hate to think children should work to have the honor of not being hungry.
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As usual, my dear, you are full of sarcasm and hyperbole...hardly suitable debate tactics, don't you think?

Anyway, when did I say I ever made my kids pay me back for their lunch, breakfast or any other meal?

You got any other deliberate misunderstandings you want to air out?
 
Mycroft said:
As usual, my dear, you are full of sarcasm and hyperbole...hardly suitable debate tactics, don't you think?

Anyway, when did I say I ever made my kids pay me back for their lunch, breakfast or any other meal?

You got any other deliberate misunderstandings you want to air out?
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Then why do you expect poor kids to be taught "TANSTAAFL" with regard to eating lunch when your kids and non-poor kids are not expected to?
And if you think asking a valid question is sarcasm and hyperbole, you have comprehension issues, but we've seen how obtuse you can be when you're pinned.
 
Summerwind said:
Then why do you expect poor kids to be taught "TANSTAAFL" with regard to eating lunch when your kids and non-poor kids are not expected to?
And if you think asking a valid question is sarcasm and hyperbole, you have comprehension issues, but we've seen how obtuse you can be when you're pinned.
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1. The remark you responded to said nothing about school lunches. It talked about TANSTAAFL.

2. If you have read a little more of this thread before you reacted (with misunderstanding, as usual), you would know that I suggested that the PARENTS work for their kid's "free" lunch. But, of course, I'm sure you can come up with something equally sarcastic and hyperbolic about that notion, as well.

3. Your question about me and my kids was dripping with sarcasm and hyperbole...and now you compound your idiotic debate tactic by feigning innocence. Have you no shame?
 
Mycroft said:
1. The remark you responded to said nothing about school lunches. It talked about TANSTAAFL.

2. If you have read a little more of this thread before you reacted (with misunderstanding, as usual), you would know that I suggested that the PARENTS work for their kid's "free" lunch. But, of course, I'm sure you can come up with something equally sarcastic and hyperbolic about that notion, as well.

3. Your question about me and my kids was dripping with sarcasm and hyperbole...and now you compound your idiotic debate tactic by feigning innocence. Have you no shame?
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Many of those parents are already working 2-3 jobs just to pay rent, afterschool childcare, utilities, bus fares, and so on, and now you want them to be free labor for their kids? I bet you think they should equally find time to "be better parents". I think you are so ignorant of what the working poor face as to be useless in such conversation. Bless your heart.
 
For all this talk about making poor kids work and not rich kids...What would be so bad about making ALL children do age-appropriate chores around the school? I think Newt Gingrich had a much better idea when it came to schoolchildren and light physical labor. Now I strongly question his motives, but I think the end result would be good: Work lessons for the kids, and money saved for the school.
 
Summerwind said:
Many of those parents are already working 2-3 jobs just to pay rent, afterschool childcare, utilities, bus fares, and so on, and now you want them to be free labor for their kids?

~snipped your usual sarcasm~
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How many?

Anyway, they are not free labor for their kids...their labor would be for the "free" money for their kid's lunches.
 
Oh you mean he's taken from the rich and given to those who keep our food cost down - wow how terrible.


Risky Thicket said:
Kingston is from the "I Got Mine, **** You!" contingent of the GOP, aka Tea Party. His voting record tells you all you need to know.

Kingston, formerly of the Agriculture Appropriations Committee, supported giving billionaires millions upon millions in farm subsidies for doing nothing, no work at all. Kingston supports the heavily government subsidized dairy industry but doesn't want to support poor children who need a good lunch or even breakfast. Kingston supports paying farmers millions to grow no crops, to do nothing while demanding poor children work to eat at school. Kingston talking out of his flabby white ass says poor, largely black children need to learn work ethic. :thumbdown
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Now there is a voice of reason. And I've never thought the rich kids should get a break. In our school it was alphabetical. We, in groups of 4, had kitchen detail about one week out of six. For the entire week we did pots and pans, table clean up, and floors. The janitor always helped us with the floors - we usually just put the tables and chairs away.


Phys251 said:
For all this talk about making poor kids work and not rich kids...What would be so bad about making ALL children do age-appropriate chores around the school? I think Newt Gingrich had a much better idea when it came to schoolchildren and light physical labor. Now I strongly question his motives, but I think the end result would be good: Work lessons for the kids, and money saved for the school.
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