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GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

These folks often have multiple jobs already, and have much of their day tied up as it is, and up comes along some busybody like you starts with the presumption that these folks have no conception of how to provide for their families-even though they are doing just that (just not being compensated enough to completely do so). It's a lecture without many grounds to stand on.

To me it comes off as lecturing because you seem to just spout this stuff off without really thinking about the big picture of what this would end up doing to individual families, schools, or entire school districts. When a large portion of the school population is reliant upon free and reduced lunch programs, and those folks are essentially forced to work for the state, you're only seeing the poor families, the poor schools, and the poor school districts having these labor conditions. Meanwhile in white middle class suburbia, the leisure class has no such obligations.

My, my...but you are making a lot of assumptions about what I think...assumptions that are not supported by anything I've said.

All I've said is that I think people who receive government help in feeding their kids should give something back in return.

btw, those middle class? The ones who have no obligations? THEY are the ones providing the money to feed those kids. Sounds to me like they are doing THEIR part.
 
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This guy is the son of a university professor. He had a fairly privileged upbringing and thus has no idea what it is like to grow up poor as a kid. What an asshole. I mean what is he wanting to stand there at the lunch line and tell some 1st grader "Hey kid, you can have your Chilimac today, but first I need you to take this broom here and sweep the floor in front of all your friends".

Personally, I grew up poor. Very poor actually, we did not take free or reduced lunches, we just brought ours instead (the same crappy lunch every day). However, I know what its like to be a poor kid. I know what its like to boil water to take a bath in for months on end because your gas is cut off. I know what its like having no A/C in Arkansas summers living in a trailer. This guy has no idea. Despite growing up poor, I always knew the value of work, indeed growing up poor is what instilled it in me. I got my first real job when I was 15 and have worked my whole life since. Before I was married I worked 2 jobs to get ahead. We would be considered upper middle class now I suppose, but I worked hard to get here and I did not need some privileged extreme right jackass to instill that in me. How crazy and mean do these guys have to get before we all say this is ridiculous, go home, and for God sakes get the hell out of government. We don't want people like you, Jack Kingston, telling us how to run our lives or our country. I don't see this one as a right or left issue, I see it as an anti-jackass issue.

The thing many privileged people don't understand is how much **** they take for granted. In fact in many cases it is they who have gain "free" or "unearned" advantages without having realized it. What irony.
 
The thing many privileged people don't understand is how much **** they take for granted. In fact in many cases it is they who have gain "free" or "unearned" advantages without having realized it. What irony.

Hmmm...

I'm wondering who you consider "privileged". A university professor who spent a lot of time, effort and money to get to his position? Or maybe you think a person who worked hard to become a Representative of the people is privileged?

And, even if they are privileged, don't you think it's a good thing if those who receive benefits...thanks to the privileged...should give something back? Or is it enough that they stand in line with their hand out?
 
These folks often have multiple jobs already, and have much of their day tied up as it is, and up comes along some busybody like you starts with the presumption that these folks have no conception of how to provide for their families-even though they are doing just that (just not being compensated enough to completely do so). It's a lecture without many grounds to stand on.

To me it comes off as lecturing because you seem to just spout this stuff off without really thinking about the big picture of what this would end up doing to individual families, schools, or entire school districts. When a large portion of the school population is reliant upon free and reduced lunch programs, and those folks are essentially forced to work for the state, you're only seeing the poor families, the poor schools, and the poor school districts having these labor conditions. Meanwhile in white middle class suburbia, the leisure class has no such obligations.
Lets just take a guess who is doing the lecturing here. YOU.

The idea is if you cannot afford kids, maybe you should rethink, regroup, retool until you can. The idea of government supplying everything in place of that of the parent is rather a scary prospect. Parents SHOULD BE WILLING to do whatever is necessary to feed and house the kids they have. Mycroft is absolutely right, its not the fault of the children but totally the responsibility of the parent to assure that their children are fed... and if a school provides for this opportunity, they should be more than willing. If not, someone from the state should probably be looking into what other problems that may be occurring in this household where intervention might be necessary. Its ridiculous to burden your neighbors just because you want to have kids and cannot be bothered with the responsibility of their actual care. And...this whole idea of anybody not being "compensated enough to completely do so" is silliness. What you are paid is based upon what value your services are actually worth, not upon how much pay folks have obligated themselves to having... that is not the fault of the employer, nor your neighbor, nor the state.

There is no way that, as you put it "a large portion of the school population is reliant upon free and reduced lunch", this should ever be the case in a country as free and prosperous as this one most certainly is. Sorry. And the whole distractor of the whiteness aspect you bring up, middle-class or not, comes close if not actually being, well, to put it politely, an interjection of race that is simply unnecessary, being not at all germane, demeans minorities and the issue itself.

If you feel so passionate about this issue, as you seem to, establish a fund where you can voluntarily give to assist these programs that you think don't affect the overall atmosphere of too many Americans relying upon expected hand outs. Remember, don't you, the "big picture"? Pulling the victim "Oh, woe is me!" thing is not an argument. Yours is the argument without any grounds to stand on... or any legs to stand on...take your pick.
 
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The thing many privileged people don't understand is how much **** they take for granted. In fact in many cases it is they who have gain "free" or "unearned" advantages without having realized it. What irony.
What should be adjudged as being privileged is being born or currently living in America...that is hitting the planetary jackpot... what you do with that win is more up to the individual.

Look to other countries where being underprivileged actually means something.
 
What should be adjudged as being privileged is being born or currently living in America...that is hitting the planetary jackpot... what you do with that win is more up to the individual.

Look to other countries where being underprivileged actually means something.

Or that individual's family connections. Do not try to act like having a powerful bloodline stops once you pop out of the uterus.
 
Yeah, so? Some people are born taller, some prettier, handsomer, with special talents...so?

I was simply appending to your comment. What you do with that win is not always up to the individual.

I'm fine with talented or attractive or smarter people utilizing their talents for what they can. However, I don't like boiling everything down to the genetic powerball. Which is why we need a strong safety net.
 
I was simply appending to your comment. What you do with that win is not always up to the individual.

I'm fine with talented or attractive or smarter people utilizing their talents for what they can. However, I don't like boiling everything down to the genetic powerball. Which is why we need a strong safety net.
Sure what you do with that win is up to the individual....people win the lottery and squander it all the time...up to you, my man. Take your advantages and make your way in this world... we live in a privileged country, what you do after that is up to you... sure some get a bigger lottery winning... but I have been to other countries, many of them, seen what it means to actually be disadvantaged... you just want to make excuses ... life is never going to be exactly equal, nor do we want it to be...how boring. Lets all play poker and all get the same hands all the time...wow...fun.

When the saftey net is too large, too deep, it disadvantages us all. But if you don't think so, get your pals together and contribute to those areas YOU think are necessary... don't obligate the rest of us to all that tripe.
 
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This guy is the son of a university professor. He had a fairly privileged upbringing and thus has no idea what it is like to grow up poor as a kid. What an asshole. I mean what is he wanting to stand there at the lunch line and tell some 1st grader "Hey kid, you can have your Chilimac today, but first I need you to take this broom here and sweep the floor in front of all your friends".

Personally, I grew up poor. Very poor actually, we did not take free or reduced lunches, we just brought ours instead (the same crappy lunch every day). However, I know what its like to be a poor kid. I know what its like to boil water to take a bath in for months on end because your gas is cut off. I know what its like having no A/C in Arkansas summers living in a trailer. This guy has no idea. Despite growing up poor, I always knew the value of work, indeed growing up poor is what instilled it in me. I got my first real job when I was 15 and have worked my whole life since. Before I was married I worked 2 jobs to get ahead. We would be considered upper middle class now I suppose, but I worked hard to get here and I did not need some privileged extreme right jackass to instill that in me. How crazy and mean do these guys have to get before we all say this is ridiculous, go home, and for God sakes get the hell out of government. We don't want people like you, Jack Kingston, telling us how to run our lives or our country. I don't see this one as a right or left issue, I see it as an anti-jackass issue.


I do not agree with making the poor cleans clean because their parents can't afford school lunch or are too lazy to make their kids lunches. I do think all the kids should clean the school. Make the kids responsible for cleaning their classrooms (or homeroom if they attend a school that has separate classrooms and teachers for different subjects)at the end of the school day and different classrooms can take turns cleaning their section of the hallway and the nearby restrooms. I think this would teach kids to take better care of things.
 
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How's about including a work shift all students schedule, regardless of social status?

This would show everyone the value of work, and remove the social stigma, since the rich kids will be chasing mops and lugging garbage right next to the poor ones.

I see no especial reason to link this to the lunch programs.
 
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This guy is the son of a university professor. He had a fairly privileged upbringing and thus has no idea what it is like to grow up poor as a kid. What an asshole. I mean what is he wanting to stand there at the lunch line and tell some 1st grader "Hey kid, you can have your Chilimac today, but first I need you to take this broom here and sweep the floor in front of all your friends".

Personally, I grew up poor. Very poor actually, we did not take free or reduced lunches, we just brought ours instead (the same crappy lunch every day). However, I know what its like to be a poor kid. I know what its like to boil water to take a bath in for months on end because your gas is cut off. I know what its like having no A/C in Arkansas summers living in a trailer. This guy has no idea. Despite growing up poor, I always knew the value of work, indeed growing up poor is what instilled it in me. I got my first real job when I was 15 and have worked my whole life since. Before I was married I worked 2 jobs to get ahead. We would be considered upper middle class now I suppose, but I worked hard to get here and I did not need some privileged extreme right jackass to instill that in me. How crazy and mean do these guys have to get before we all say this is ridiculous, go home, and for God sakes get the hell out of government. We don't want people like you, Jack Kingston, telling us how to run our lives or our country. I don't see this one as a right or left issue, I see it as an anti-jackass issue.

Considering this Congress is the least working in history, then maybe he should apply this vision to himself!
 
I don't think it's a bad idea to have kids work. It is a great learning experience. I got my first legit job when I was 8 years old. I quickly learned about taxes when I saw the government deduct them from my paycheck. And it made me ask adult questions such as "what is social security?" and "why don't we get paid at least the minimum wage?"

We organized a sit-in strike when I was 10 and the result was that even though we couldn't reach an amicable agreement with the city and there was real violence when they tried to replace us with scabs, we still ended up making significantly more money doing the same job because our services were needed regardless of whether it was the city paying us or not.

That was a life lesson that no grade school can teach you.

I don't mind them having the kids work at the school, but they shouldn't be able to get away with paying them with a crappy and unhealthy school lunch from the company store. They should pay them prevailing wage and let the kids buy whatever they want with it, including ordering a pizza delivery or whatever.

You would see those bull**** school lunches get unpopular very quickly.
 
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shrug...

Work hours can be arranged, I'm sure.

So... what you're saying is that even if the parents work but can't afford the lunch, the kid still should work for the food?
 
Doesn't make taking from others to buy the votes of the poor in any way the right thing to do.

If the poor wasn't such an enormous group of people, buying the votes would be negligible.
 
It's not like it's the only thing lefties will steel from one to buy votes from another.

Right, because there are no poor conservative parents.
 
I am not against giving older kids the opportunity to earn money at school. I remember we used to get paid to clean the gym after games. I am against a guy that at minimum came out of an upper middle class childhood saying that kids should have to work for the free lunch program as if its some 2nd graders fault his parents are poor. His implication of course is that if we allow a poor kid to get a free lunch at school, it will lead to a lifetime of laziness.
The point of the exercise is not to earn money but to teach that nothing is for free, and the expectation should be individuals need to provide effort to gain something - even if it's in the form of assistance.

There's not much wrong with teaching them the value of hard work. There is something wrong with teaching a child that because of his or her parent's financial situation, he/she gets to do manual labor for the school food essentially handed to his or her classmates by their parents without nearly as much thought.
Then use the idea that you see as flawed, and modify it so the child is still taught the value of hard work without what you see as a punishment to the child for the parents financial situation.

OMG! Teach a can to earn something we can just take from others and hand out instead? I can see why liberals are in a dither....it goes against their principle value of taking from someone else and handing out for nothing!

The issue here is, 30-40 years ago this would be a very good lesson and would be embraced by most as a good learning experience to take into adulthood. But today, the direct opposite is actually true. There is no incentive in some areas of the country to work hard when government assistance (federal and state) can provide and does provide enough to exist. As was shown in a recent Washington Post article (and another thread) there are generations of people, families, who have made bad life decisions who live off the welfare, food stamps, housing assistance, etc... in areas where they cannot get an education to lift themselves from that poverty, where they cannot get a job that allows them to move from such depressing surroundings. When government pushes welfare as an alternative lifestyle and a % of the population become dependent on that lifestyle and pass it on to other generations, the lesson of hard work is lost. Politically, the dependent must continue to be dependent, as politicians threaten these repressed people telling them if they don't vote for him/her, their opponent will take away their assistance. Depressed and despondent, what option to these people have but to continue to exist?
 
So... what you're saying is that even if the parents work but can't afford the lunch, the kid still should work for the food?

Perhaps you should read all of my posts. I've moved on.
 
I love how some CONs tut-tut about TANSTAAFL and claim how 'hard' they worked so early in life and how they are teaching their kids to work.

As far as I could tell growing up that meant finally getting up and taking the trash out after Mom asked several times and possibly making the bed a few times a week 'qualified' the kid for an allowance. :roll:

But a poor kid must work outside the home in order to learn TANSTAAFL, because the tut-tutters think they are not learning that at home. I'd opine the tut-tutters have no knowledge of what goes on in homes that qualify for free lunches. (and way over credit the chores done at home for being able to take advantage of the opportunities presented to them that most likely were out of reach for many poorer kids)

As far as I can tell at no time has a kid from a poor backround gotten off from multiple murders due to not being taught TANSTAAFL but didn't we JUST have a kid from a very rich family just get away with multiple murder for that very reason??? :confused:

I'd say the focus on school lunches as the indicator is small minded and bigoted. Those deprived rich kids need to learn TANSTAAFL as much as any poor kid. :doh
 
My dad had a great story growing up. He was about 12 and it was a Saturday morning. His dad made him wake up, and after putting on his only pair of jeans and his only long sleeve shirt he walked into the living room where his dad held a fishing pole and a shotgun. You can go catch a salmon in the river, he said thrusting forward the pole, or go shoot a goose pushing out the shotgun. Either way you want to eat -you chose.

I had it much easier. At 12 I just got up at 5 AM and gathered eggs from the 60k bird ranch till 8 AM, showered, went to school, and back at 3 PM I went back to collecting / gathering eggs till 7 PM. Weekends were a tad easier.


I love how some CONs tut-tut about TANSTAAFL and claim how 'hard' they worked so early in life and how they are teaching their kids to work.

As far as I could tell growing up that meant finally getting up and taking the trash out after Mom asked several times and possibly making the bed a few times a week 'qualified' the kid for an allowance. :roll:

But a poor kid must work outside the home in order to learn TANSTAAFL, because the tut-tutters think they are not learning that at home. I'd opine the tut-tutters have no knowledge of what goes on in homes that qualify for free lunches. (and way over credit the chores done at home for being able to take advantage of the opportunities presented to them that most likely were out of reach for many poorer kids)

As far as I can tell at no time has a kid from a poor backround gotten off from multiple murders due to not being taught TANSTAAFL but didn't we JUST have a kid from a very rich family just get away with multiple murder for that very reason??? :confused:

I'd say the focus on school lunches as the indicator is small minded and bigoted. Those deprived rich kids need to learn TANSTAAFL as much as any poor kid. :doh
 
My dad had a great story growing up. He was about 12 and it was a Saturday morning. His dad made him wake up, and after putting on his only pair of jeans and his only long sleeve shirt he walked into the living room where his dad held a fishing pole and a shotgun. You can go catch a salmon in the river, he said thrusting forward the pole, or go shoot a goose pushing out the shotgun. Either way you want to eat -you chose. I had it much easier. At 12 I just got up at 5 AM and gathered eggs from the 60k bird ranch till 8 AM, showered, went to school, and back at 3 PM I went back to collecting / gathering eggs till 7 PM. Weekends were a tad easier.

And that applies to city folks and suburbia how????

When I was old enough to push in the clutch on an old International tractor I was in that seat. I cut my boot and foot wide open on the sickle mower- 32 stitches and four days later I was back cutting hay and my Dad's only words- be more careful.

Our Daughter had chores like feeding the animals before the rural school bus got there and more when she got home- no allowance- it is just what farm kids did....

But tell me how does that figure into what suburban kids do for 'work' and being taught TANSTAAFL????

They ain't feeding or collecting, cutting or hunting....
 
And gee where are the biggest problems in society - rural or suburbia? Hmm and one has to work hard and one just wants from the other? Shocking.


And that applies to city folks and suburbia how????

When I was old enough to push in the clutch on an old International tractor I was in that seat. I cut my boot and foot wide open on the sickle mower- 32 stitches and four days later I was back cutting hay and my Dad's only words- be more careful.

Our Daughter had chores like feeding the animals before the rural school bus got there and more when she got home- no allowance- it is just what farm kids did....

But tell me how does that figure into what suburban kids do for 'work' and being taught TANSTAAFL????

They ain't feeding or collecting, cutting or hunting....
 
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