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GOP Rep Suggests Kids Clean Schools In Exchange For Lunch

nota bene said:
Oh, please. Don't overdramatize.
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Schools should have no jurisdiction in the home. Once in the home, the child is no longer the schools responsibility and should no longer be subject to the will of the school.
 
Phil_Osophy said:
Then give your kids homework and force them to do it. School should be separate from the home. If you want to instill good practice, thats good. By all means. I agree with it. However, i dont agree with public schools extending their reach to the home.
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Better not go to even junior/community college then..I always had homework on AFB schools and then civilian ones, starting in the late 50's..You don't learn Algebra and Geometry by leaving those books at school..Then come to my Chem/physics class without a clue on basic math and units .
 
NIMBY said:
Better not go to even junior/community college then..I always had homework on AFB schools and then civilian ones, starting in the late 50's..You don't learn Algebra and Geometry by leaving those books at school..Then come to my Chem/physics class without a clue on basic math and units .
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Yeah. And you can decide not to go to college. As a child, you are bound to your parents decisions.

I already stated that i agree with the fact that practicing in the home is good as well. But that doesnt mean a public school should be able to force their will on students.
 
Math and writing require repetition. But what I find interesting here are the word choices--"extending their reach" and "jurisdiction" as opposed to "learning." Makes me think Phil-O here is a kid in school himself who resents having homework. Am I right?
 
Phil_Osophy said:
Schools should have no jurisdiction in the home. Once in the home, the child is no longer the schools responsibility and should no longer be subject to the will of the school.
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That's why you can choose home schooling..Please do all involved a favor and make that choice..That way you can blame yourself when your kids do poorly on standardized tests in comparison to the world, which cons love to rail against..Just let them play with video games and grow obese .
 
nota bene said:
Math and writing require repetition. But what I find interesting here are the word choices--"extending their reach" and "jurisdiction" as opposed to "learning." Makes me think Phil-O here is a kid in school himself who resents having homework. Am I right?
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I would hope that you are right about what your own thoughts are. Someone who doesnt know what they think most likely has some serious mental disabilities.

Again, i agree that repetition is good practice.
 
NIMBY said:
That's why you can choose home schooling..Please do all involved a favor and make that choice..That way you can blame yourself when your kids do poorly on standardized tests in comparison to the world, which cons love to rail against..Just let them play with video games and grow obese .
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Just FYI, homeschoolers do at least as well if not better than their public and private school peers on the standardized tests. You can Google this.
 
specklebang said:
This is a real long shot and I have no idea why this question came to mind but how do you feel about paying children to go to school? They could pay for their own lunches. Higher grades, more per hour or class or whatever measurement?

Just a stray question. I'm not looking to derail anything.
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For the public schools to do it themselves, not likely as they will want that money to keep. For parents to utilize, for most children it works. I use a variation which works like a bonus would at a job. The better the effort and more importantly the results the better the reward in cash. The trick is to make sure the children know the value of money BEFORE you implement such a system. Of course my children all have "regular" jobs and can earn money doing cleanup on other irregular chores I don't feel like doing. I keep some odd job they can do undone so they have a way to earn extra cash. I charge rent and such so they need the cash if they want something especially pricey and it keeps a bit of pressure on to work and SAVE.
 
Phil_Osophy said:
Yeah. And you can decide not to go to college. As a child, you are bound to your parents decisions.

I already stated that i agree with the fact that practicing in the home is good as well. But that doesnt mean a public school should be able to force their will on students.
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Now you change your position to schools forcing their will on the students and away from a measured amount of homework..Students reflect their parents attitudes in class about homework, further undercutting the process laid out by the elected BOE .
 
Phil_Osophy said:
Schools should have no jurisdiction in the home. Once in the home, the child is no longer the schools responsibility and should no longer be subject to the will of the school.
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If the students I had got by without any work outside the 50 minutes in the classroom, they would have been far more screwed than they were otherwise.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
And shaming a 2nd or 3rd grader by having them sweep a floor in front of their friends is not going to fix that. It is not the kids fault that they are poor or that their parents may have not made the best of decisions in life. They are just there to go to school so that the hopefully get a good education and do better themselves.



I agree, but it doesn't fix that by shaming their kids.



Of course, but the kid that comes from an upper middle class family has no idea what its like to be truly poor yet someone feels like they should pass blanket judgment on them. For example, I grew up quite poor. My kids grow up in an what would be considered demographically an upper middle class home. I am certainly happy that they get a lot more opportunities than I had when I was their age because of that. However, they have no idea what its like to be poor. It's a "free lunch" to them because they show up at school and the lunch money way pay for is in their account. I hope they all grow up to be successful. I also hope they do not grow up as sanctimonious as this congressman is.

I am all for teaching kids the value of hard work. I just think what the congressman is proposing is a despicable way of doing so. If you don't think most kids living in poverty don't know the value of a dollar, then you don't know anything about being poor.
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You seem to be under the impression there is something shameful about work. I assure you there is no shame in it. And parents would do well and show wisdom in teaching their children there was no shame in work either.
 
NIMBY said:
Now you change your position to schools forcing their will on the students and away from a measured amount of homework..Students reflect their parents attitudes in class about homework, further undercutting the process laid out by the elected BOE .
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i dont see how that changes my position. I can talk about more than one issue. Hitler was elected as well.

Fiddytree said:
If the students I had got by without any work outside the 50 minutes in the classroom, they would have been far more screwed than they were otherwise.
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all of them? They were screwed anyways.

Kids shod be empowered to make their own decisions. If the kid wants to study at home, great. Parents should encourahe that. If they dont want to, and the parents dont want to force them to, then let them fail as they would either way

Smart kids study hard and get As.
Intelligent kids dont study at all and get Cs.
 
Phil_Osophy said:
Kids shod be empowered to make their own decisions. If the kid wants to study at home, great. Parents should encourahe that. If they dont want to, and the parents dont want to force them to, then let them fail as they would either way

Smart kids study hard and get As.
Intelligent kids dont study at all and get Cs.
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Have you ever been a licensed teacher or gone through the training?
 
NIMBY said:
Now you change your position to schools forcing their will on the students and away from a measured amount of homework..Students reflect their parents attitudes in class about homework, further undercutting the process laid out by the elected BOE .
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Another in a very long list of reasons to never send children to public school.
 
Phil_Osophy said:
I would hope that you are right about what your own thoughts are. Someone who doesnt know what they think most likely has some serious mental disabilities.

Again, i agree that repetition is good practice.
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Do home-scholars represent a heterogeneous group of the student population??No they don't do they..Underfunded public schools don't get to pick-and-choose their clientele like wealthier private schools and home-schoolers, yet they get compared equally..We already see GOP governors and state supts cheat with charter schools run by their campaign contributors..Charter getting too much money shorting the publics and charter grades being changed due to pressure from above .
 
PirateMk1 said:
Another in a very long list of reasons to never send children to public school.
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An inconvenient truth that's difficult to take..As I read from those like you, I'm sure glad I'm retired..And I pray for the current kids and their teachers .
 
Mycroft said:
Who do you have in mind to do the paying?

I don't have a problem with a family deciding that's the way they want to go with their own kids, but I don't want any more government involvement than we already have.
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I understand how you feel but I'm just brainstorming this and there is no threat that anyone in Washington will be inspired by my musings.

We spend a lot of money on schools. From my small knowledge, these schools are not doing so hot. So, crazy as it seems, I wonder if investing a little more and preparing kids for life both in terms of education and money management might not be a bad thing.

Supposedly children are some important investment in the future. To me, they are just ankle-biters and I'd like to set the cats on them, but if so, then might this not be a good investment?
 
Fiddytree said:
Have you ever been a licensed teacher or gone through the training?
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Licensing and training is only as good the licensing process and training course. There are night and day differences between various courses and licensing procedures of all sorts of professions including the teaching profession. Just because one is licensed or took a course doesn't make them competent to instruct others. By the way I used to be an driving instructor. A very good one IMHO. If you want to learn take a vehicle to its absolute limits you come to the likes of me.
 
PirateMk1 said:
For the public schools to do it themselves, not likely as they will want that money to keep. For parents to utilize, for most children it works. I use a variation which works like a bonus would at a job. The better the effort and more importantly the results the better the reward in cash. The trick is to make sure the children know the value of money BEFORE you implement such a system. Of course my children all have "regular" jobs and can earn money doing cleanup on other irregular chores I don't feel like doing. I keep some odd job they can do undone so they have a way to earn extra cash. I charge rent and such so they need the cash if they want something especially pricey and it keeps a bit of pressure on to work and SAVE.
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I just responded to Mycroft with my brilliant strategy. So, has this been useful to you, did your kids gain the extra lessons?

Money management is a very important skill (IMHO).
 
Phil_Osophy said:
i dont see how that changes my position. I can talk about more than one issue. Hitler was elected as well.
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Once you launch Hitler into the conversation--see ya, wouldn't wanta be ya .
 
specklebang said:
I understand how you feel but I'm just brainstorming this and there is no threat that anyone in Washington will be inspired by my musings.

We spend a lot of money on schools. From my small knowledge, these schools are not doing so hot. So, crazy as it seems, I wonder if investing a little more and preparing kids for life both in terms of education and money management might not be a bad thing.

Supposedly children are some important investment in the future. To me, they are just ankle-biters and I'd like to set the cats on them, but if so, then might this not be a good investment?
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Well, brainstorm away, but I'll pass if you want to talk about some "government program". We have enough of them already.
 
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