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Ted Cruz Walks Out Of Nelson Mandela Memorial Service In Protest

Crosscheck said:
With the thousands of people in attendence who would have noticed a Texas senator leaving?

Definitely Cruz had this planned for a publicity stunt. It was more about getting his name on the news than Castro feeling slighted.

Another camera whore like Palin.
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Ted Cruz IS a walking publicity stunt. Don't you remember...this is the same Clown that thought this was a good use of taxpayer money:
Ted Cruz Reads Green Eggs & Ham Because He Will Not Eat Obamacare - YouTube
 
Kobie said:
This is a bald-faced publicity stunt. Shame on the "junior" (and not just in tenure terms) Senator from the "great" state of Texas.
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He couldn't possibly have deep feelings about the man the persecuted his father in Cuba right?
 
Anybody that questions Ted Cruz' reaction to Castro has not walked a mile in his shoes.

I know from experience that in a Cuban house in the US the Castros are a very present force.

I am sure his father told him many stories of Castro and I am sure they have stuck with him.

You can call it a publicity stunt but I would lean more towards the fact that Cruz didn't want to be in the same room or in the same area as a Castro.

I can't blame him for that.
 
Mason66 said:
Anybody that questions Ted Cruz' reaction to Castro has not walked a mile in his shoes.

I know from experience that in a Cuban house in the US the Castros are a very present force.

I am sure his father told him many stories of Castro and I am sure they have stuck with him.

You can call it a publicity stunt but I would lean more towards the fact that Cruz didn't want to be in the same room or in the same area as a Castro.

I can't blame him for that.
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We know where Cruz stands and it isn't likely even near a high horse. We know where he stands, outside in line for the crapper, with others of the same ilk, full of crap.
 
Mason66 said:
Anybody that questions Ted Cruz' reaction to Castro has not walked a mile in his shoes.

I know from experience that in a Cuban house in the US the Castros are a very present force.

I am sure his father told him many stories of Castro and I am sure they have stuck with him.

You can call it a publicity stunt but I would lean more towards the fact that Cruz didn't want to be in the same room or in the same area as a Castro.

I can't blame him for that.
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Yeah, I might not agree with his position, but it's rather strange people are treating this as having no prior precedent
 
DaveFagan said:
We know where Cruz stands and it isn't likely even near a high horse. We know where he stands, outside in line for the crapper, with others of the same ilk, full of crap.
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That is a biased assumption on your part with no basis in reality.
 
ernst barkmann said:
while i am not defending Cruz, the idea of wasting tax money goes both ways, democrats have used tax money to make speeches on the house floor (after hours), to call republican KKK members.

so waste is a two way street.
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I agree....what I especially find galling about Cruz though is how he claims to be such a fiscal conservative, but has no problem wasting millions of taxpayer money. He is a hypocrite through and through.
 
I would have walked out too. I think Cruz did the right thing.

I would not subject myself to the speech of a dictator who's nation produces human rights violations and restricts freedom. I would make a public statement of disapproval by leaving as well.
 
digsbe said:
I would have walked out too. I think Cruz did the right thing.

I would not subject myself to the speech of a dictator who's nation produces human rights violations and restricts freedom. I would make a public statement of disapproval by leaving as well.
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I think it was a little more personal to Cruz. If his father did get out I am sure there are many more in his family that didn't.
 
disneydude said:
I agree....what I especially find galling about Cruz though is how he claims to be such a fiscal conservative, but has no problem wasting millions of taxpayer money. He is a hypocrite through and through.
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yes.... and i think the same of congressmen who are swear to uphold the constitution, and then make public statements .......that "most of the things they do are not in constitution"...James Enos "Jim" Clyburn (born July 21, 1940) is the U.S. Representative for South Carolina's 6th congressional district,
 
Mason66 said:
He couldn't possibly have deep feelings about the man the persecuted his father in Cuba right?
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If Sen. Cruz really felt that way perhaps he shouldn't have gone. I'm sure he was made aware of what national leaders would be in attendance, Raul Castro being one considerinv the ties then Pres. Mandela had w/Cuba. While I can sympathize with his resentment against the Castro regime, that's no excuse for snubbing a foreign leader as part of an American delegation.

He should have stayed home.
 
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joko104 said:
I was drawing a contrast to partisan faux attacks against Cruz. I am no Cruz fan, but I agree with him turning his back on Castro. But, OK, many Democrats on this forum are big Castro fans I guess so are outraged that Cruz wouldn't shake is hand and showed contempt of Castro. On another thread, I posted I would have preferred if President Obama had kicked Castro in the nuts. Candidly, I don't know much about Mandela so don't really have much opinion of him one way or the other. If he was a human and civil rights hero, then I certainly would agree he was a hero. Sort of simple really. How the hell that would make Castro also a civil rights hero is just bizarre to me.
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If I was to point to a partisan faux attack I'd point to the above. It seems to you anyone not calling for any Castro to be kicked in the nuts is a Castro lover... :roll:

far from it, it is time to end the mindless embargo with Cuba- it certainly has not loosened the grip on power the Castros have, and has only hurt the people who have a far better grasp of life in Cuba than you or Cruz has. It is also time to end the dry foot immigration policy on Cubans. Cubans are not fleeing communism but poverty- just like the rest of Central America.

Castro is a national hero to the Cuban people- what many Americans don't know or care about is Cuba was run by USofA/Mafia backers through dictators. Some will huff and puff about Castro's regime but the Batista Regime was NO beacon of democracy.

Cruz is figuring his pathway to the White House and this sort of posturing is apparently helpful in his mind.

FYI, he wasn't required to shake a Castro hand- but leaving was just petty- hell if Cruz had balls worth kicking he would have stayed and gotten plenty of photos of him scowling and looking tough...

If he had balls worth kicking....
 
Objective Voice said:
If Sen. Cruz really felt that way perhaps he shouldn't have gone. I'm sure he was made aware of what national leaders would be in attendance, Raul Castro being one considerinv the ties then Pres. Mandela had w/Cuba. While I can sympathize with his resentment against the Castro regime, that's no excuse for snubbing a foreign leader as part of an American delegation.

He should have stayed home.
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Do you have any way to know Cruz knew Castro would be there?
 
clownboy said:
All I can say is that Cruz should have refused the invitation in the first place. And what the hell are we doing sending a congressional delegation to Mandela's memorial service in the first place? The shippers have yet to explain how Mandela has anything to do with the US past or present. Other than being apparantly close friends with folks who hate us that is.
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And if Cruz did not go, the media left and Democrats would be raging:

TED CRUZ BOYCOTTS MANDELA MEMORIAL
 
Obama shakes the hand of a man whose government kills it's own people, causes great suffering and harm while repressing human, political and economic rights...

And Ted Cruz get's attacked for walking out on Castro. Amazing.
 
MrVicchio said:
Obama shakes the hand of a man whose government kills it's own people, causes great suffering and harm while repressing human, political and economic rights...
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so does China, Saudi Arabia, and a host of many other countries that Obama and PAST presidents have shook hands with. So why the outrage NOW? Oh yeah, ODS.
 
You know at least you people criticizing Ted Cruz for what he did have the right to do it without the fear of being jailed.

That is not the case in Cuba.
 
Mason66 said:
You know at least you people criticizing Ted Cruz for what he did have the right to do it without the fear of being jailed.

That is not the case in Cuba.
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It's not that way in China or Saudi Arabia either, yet the U.S. still does business with those countries.
 
TheNextEra said:
It's not that way in China or Saudi Arabia either, yet the U.S. still does business with those countries.
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What does that have to do with this case?

If you have 10 family members that dies on 9-11 would you stay and listen to a speech by Osama Bin Laden?

I seriously doubt you would.
 
joko104 said:
And if Cruz did not go, the media left and Democrats would be raging:

TED CRUZ BOYCOTTS MANDELA MEMORIAL
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Would have been preferrable, then the reply would have been all about the wisdom of sending a congressional delegation in the first place.
 
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>" A conservative estimate gives the range, according to Matthew White in his website Necrometrics, at between 5,000-12,000 Cubans killed by the Castro regime compared with Chileans killed by the Pinochet regime which number 3,197. Rudolph Joseph Rummel, a political science professor at the University of Hawaii and an expert in Democide (murder by government) also takes into account the Cuban boat people who have died fleeing the dictatorship and estimates 73,000 dead Cubans between 1959 and 1987. In The Black Book of Communism in chapter 25 "Communism in Latin America" by Pascal Fontaine states that in Cuba between 1959 through the late 1990s "between 15,000 and 17,000 people were shot." All these are conservative numbers. The Cuban Archives place the number at 100,000..."<

Notes from the Cuban Exile Quarter: The Rising Body Count in Cuba
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Oh, he had a point. But it's not like he didn't know, and I doubt anyone noticed when he left. It's all about putting the name "Ted Cruz" in the headline.
 
joko104 said:
And if Cruz did not go, the media left and Democrats would be raging:

TED CRUZ BOYCOTTS MANDELA MEMORIAL
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If he had said he wasn't going to go because of Castro, I could have accepted it. I can accept what he did here.

He would have loved it either way as long as the headline said "Ted Cruz." Honestly, would we have even known he went if not for this headline?
 
He has a point and a personal reason to do so. Was it also potentially a maneuver? Yeah. I'm not going to judge him all that much on this.
 
rocket88 said:
Oh, he had a point. But it's not like he didn't know, and I doubt anyone noticed when he left. It's all about putting the name "Ted Cruz" in the headline.
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I don't live in Florida but there are more than a few of the original Cuban refuges living on the Left Coast and they will not evolve, forget or forgive.

My own opinion, I think our embargo on Cuba does more harm than good to the Cuban people. Lifting the sanctions and travel restrictions would probably speed of changes in Cuba.

Maybe it's just me being greedy looking at all of those 1955 and 1956 Chevy's ? I would love buying them dirt cheap and bringing them back and refurbishing them. Since they were all made in America, there's no import duties on them.

Will the Castro regime ever face justice for all of their crimes they committed, the thousands who were murdered ? Probably not.

It's like the sanctions and embargo's on South Africa did speed up ending apartheid in South Africa, but it caused a lot of grief and made things worse for innocent black South Africans in the hundreds of thousands and also for companies in America and Europe in the billions of dollars.

I've never traveled to Cuba, had chances to do so but it was against the law. The State Department was already getting suspicious why I kept reporting that my passport kept being lost. I can't travel around the world with deport stamps in my passport. :lol:

But I have a family member and a few friends who unlawfully traveled to Cuba without a Cuban visa being stamped in their passports. The way most Americans did it, you went to Mexico City first and the Cuban Embassy would issue you a visa and if you were an American citizen they wouldn't stamp your passport so you wouldn't get in trouble with your own government.
 
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