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Vietnam is moving in the right direction and I am so so happy that they are working so hard to fix these things. (To be honest we were lacking some human rights)

I hope you don't mind me throwing out some news about vietnam Since I obviously follow it quite a bit It's really progressed quite well in quite a short time period maybe america can learn something from it? :p but probely not
 
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Watch, it will be in some countries best interest to disrupt such development.

I don't quite follow? why would it be against peoples interests to distrupt this kind of growth?

And is vietnam mostly irrelivent to most americans here ? just curious if we have made any impact on the global stage in your opinions
 
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I don't quite follow? why would it be against peoples interests to distrupt this kind of growth?

And is vietnam mostly irrelivent to most americans here ? just curious if we have made any impact on the global stage in your opinions

I wasn't really implicating any particular country that wouldn't like to see Vietnam a more democratic country, but such things happen. Like China preferring North Korea to maintain its status quo. And yes, the US has had plenty impact on the global stage.
 
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I wasn't really implicating any particular country that wouldn't like to see Vietnam a more democratic country, but such things happen. Like China preferring North Korea to maintain its status quo. And yes, the US has had plenty impact on the global stage.

Believe me, China does not want North Korea to remain status quo.

To the Chinese, north Korea is a real ball ache.

But they dont see a way to topple the NK regime without causing a refugee crisis of biblical proportions.

They are fed up with NKs petulant behavior.
 
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I wasn't really implicating any particular country that wouldn't like to see Vietnam a more democratic country, but such things happen. Like China preferring North Korea to maintain its status quo. And yes, the US has had plenty impact on the global stage.

I meant does vietnam have any impact on the global stage from your viewpoint, and I don't think all the changes in the country are making it more democractic nearly every election I have seen and voted in are democratic, fair, lawful and done in a very safe manner. it's considered a successes for the people.
 
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I wasn't really implicating any particular country that wouldn't like to see Vietnam a more democratic country, but such things happen. Like China preferring North Korea to maintain its status quo. And yes, the US has had plenty impact on the global stage.

as a person who lived nearly all his life in asia NOBODY likes north korea but it's not as simple as you make it out to be
 
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With war clouds forming over the South China Sea and war very likely with China over the Spartly and Parcel Islands, Vietnam has to make some changes to come under the U.S. Navy's umbrella.

China is going to challenge the U.S. Navy in the South China Sea. The time line seems to be in about twenty years, as soon as the PLA-Navy has four carriers in the fleet. Once the U.S. Navy is expelled from free navigation of the South China Sea, China is going to turn on their long time enemy, Vietnam.

Vietnam needs America and they are going to make changes in regards to human rights to get America's help.

There's a naval arms race going on across the entire western Pacific rim, our allies and even countries like Vietnam can no longer depend on America with America no longer being a super power but just another world power. In four years the U.S. military has become a hollow force. The current administration is more concerned with social engineering of the military than having a military that can be used to project power across the oceans and fight a war.

Vietnam’s Russian Restocking Includes Submarines, Jets, More

Japan can no longer trust or depend on the American umbrella. As we saw last week the Obama administration blinked and appeased the Chinese over their air defense restriction on the disputed islands with Japan.

Japan just a few months ago launched their first post WW ll aircraft carrier.

Russia is also in on the game. Russia is building three new fleets with all new ships with new designs and Russia usually gets it right more than wrong when it comes to warships.

The U.S. Navy has just discovered that they may have made the wrong turn during the 60's and neglected naval surface warfare and built an entire fleet designed to protect super carriers instead of being able to conduct naval surface warfare and also neglecting naval shore gunfire support for the Marine Corps.

You'll be seeing in the near future the Vietnamese Navy and the U.S. Navy holding joint naval exercises. That's if the U.S. Navy can find some ships sitting in port that can actually weigh anchor and put to sea.
 
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With war clouds forming over the South China Sea and war very likely with China over the Spartly and Parcel Islands, Vietnam has to make some changes to come under the U.S. Navy's umbrella.

China is going to challenge the U.S. Navy in the South China Sea. The time line seems to be in about twenty years, as soon as the PLA-Navy has four carriers in the fleet. Once the U.S. Navy is expelled from free navigation of the South China Sea, China is going to turn on their long time enemy, Vietnam.

Vietnam needs America and they are going to make changes in regards to human rights to get America's help.

There's a naval arms race going on across the entire western Pacific rim, our allies and even countries like Vietnam can no longer depend on America with America no longer being a super power but just another world power. In four years the U.S. military has become a hollow force. The current administration is more concerned with social engineering of the military than having a military that can be used to project power across the oceans and fight a war.

Vietnam’s Russian Restocking Includes Submarines, Jets, More

Japan can no longer trust or depend on the American umbrella. As we saw last week the Obama administration blinked and appeased the Chinese over their air defense restriction on the disputed islands with Japan.

Japan just a few months ago launched their first post WW ll aircraft carrier.

Russia is also in on the game. Russia is building three new fleets with all new ships with new designs and Russia usually gets it right more than wrong when it comes to warships.

The U.S. Navy has just discovered that they may have made the wrong turn during the 60's and neglected naval surface warfare and built an entire fleet designed to protect super carriers instead of being able to conduct naval surface warfare and also neglecting naval shore gunfire support for the Marine Corps.

You'll be seeing in the near future the Vietnamese Navy and the U.S. Navy holding joint naval exercises. That's if the U.S. Navy can find some ships sitting in port that can actually weigh anchor and put to sea.

Wow thats really interesting! once I get some time i'll look into this and give you the viewpoint from someone who lived in vietnam untill recently! but I whole heartedly disagree with the idea that they are doing good in the way of human rights to get in good with america. they have been moving forward for a very long time, when it comes to government policys and laws. perhaps the pressure from china is increasing this effort. But why do you just assume a country is doing right by it's people and strengthing it's economy is to get in good with america? it's a wee bit offensive lol
 
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Wow thats really interesting! once I get some time i'll look into this and give you the viewpoint from someone who lived in vietnam untill recently! but I whole heartedly disagree with the idea that they are doing good in the way of human rights to get in good with america. they have been moving forward for a very long time, when it comes to government policys and laws. perhaps the pressure from china is increasing this effort. But why do you just assume a country is doing right by it's people and strengthing it's economy is to get in good with america? it's a wee bit offensive lol

Don't think he meant it to be offensive, but its true that things are brewing in your part of the world. China is on the move and its neighbors are nervous. Not at all to discount positive achievements in Vietnam, they most certainly have been holding talks with the US over looming SCS trouble. The Philippines have been opening up bases and holding joint maneuvers with the US as well. The Pentagon has stated that they are moving 60% of their assets to the WestPac and a super base is being built in Guam. And yes, Japan is realizing increasingly that their defence is THEIR defence (as it should be) China for their part would like to keep the US out of the region.
 
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as a person who lived nearly all his life in asia NOBODY likes north korea but it's not as simple as you make it out to be

Sorry, I wasn't trying to simplify the NK problem.
 
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Believe me, China does not want North Korea to remain status quo.

To the Chinese, north Korea is a real ball ache.

But they dont see a way to topple the NK regime without causing a refugee crisis of biblical proportions.

They are fed up with NKs petulant behavior.

NOTE THE LAST SENTENCE ESPECIALLY.

So why would China still support North Korea, despite all its recent misgivings? China’s policy for the Korean peninsula can be summed up in six little words: “No war, no instability, no nukes.” Those are Beijing’s priorities, and in that order. Chinese leaders don’t want nukes, which is why they’re upset about Pyongyang’s recent nuclear brinksmanship. But even more than that, they don’t want the North Korean state to collapse into chaos or devolve into war, and they know that economic support and cross-border trade are good ways to maintain the status quo. And it’s the status quo that China appears most interested in.

http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2013/04/why-is-china-still-friends-with-n-korea-anyway/
 
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Believe me, China does not want North Korea to remain status quo.

To the Chinese, north Korea is a real ball ache.

But they dont see a way to topple the NK regime without causing a refugee crisis of biblical proportions.

They are fed up with NKs petulant behavior.

??? While I agree that NK is a liability for China (& China views them that way as well, but the NK still serves a purpose for them), the majority of the population is likely to go South. And smartly, the South Koreans actually have plans for that. They do anticipate it and for every NK person that escapes (and almost all escape THRU China), the SK govt takes them in hand, spends govt funds on acclimating them to the new country, and gives them $20,000 (back in 2010) to start new lives. Then they track their progress based on the programs they offer them, how they adapt socially, where they succeed and fail, etc. This way, they continually update their programs to what works most efficiently.
 
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Sorry, I wasn't trying to simplify the NK problem.

No problem I have talked to a NK refugee that country is all kinds of bad. starvation is actually rampet and to be honest china, SK and vietnam does secretly helps these people while trying to deal with NK internally without starting an all out war. the way asia sees NK as a very desperate little man with a gun. we all know what people do when they are desperate. so asia is calmly trying to ease NK down rather then making him desperate enough to start shooting
 
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Vietnam pursues policy to protect human rights - Politics & Laws | Politics, Business, Economy, Society, Life, Sports - VietNam News - VietNam News
Vietnam is moving in the right direction and I am so so happy that they are working so hard to fix these things. (To be honest we were lacking some human rights)

I hope you don't mind me throwing out some news about vietnam Since I obviously follow it quite a bit It's really progressed quite well in quite a short time period maybe america can learn something from it? :p but probely not

No problem, I have always been thankful to Vietnam when they went into Cambodia in 1978 and stopped the killing fields of Pol Pot.
 
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No problem I have talked to a NK refugee that country is all kinds of bad. starvation is actually rampet and to be honest china, SK and vietnam does secretly helps these people while trying to deal with NK internally without starting an all out war. the way asia sees NK as a very desperate little man with a gun. we all know what people do when they are desperate. so asia is calmly trying to ease NK down rather then making him desperate enough to start shooting

We agree Chocolate!
 
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No problem, I have always been thankful to Vietnam when they went into Cambodia in 1978 and stopped the killing fields of Pol Pot.

It still doesn't excuse the atrocities committed by the Vietnamese Communists.
 
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Who said it did?

All I hear is how wonderful the Vietnamese Communists are; norhing about their own atrocities and certainly no mention that the Vietnames Communists helped the Khmer Rouge get cranked up.

Putring Vietnam on the UN Human Rights Council is a joke.
 
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All I hear is how wonderful the Vietnamese Communists are; norhing about their own atrocities and certainly no mention that the Vietnames Communists helped the Khmer Rouge get cranked up.

Putring Vietnam on the UN Human Rights Council is a joke.

And America's skirts are clean? Who put us on a pedestal and why should we be there?
 
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I read a book once written by a man in South Vietnam that was put into a reeducation camp after America left. I can't remember the name of the book but believe me they were certainly not into human rights then.
 
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It still doesn't excuse the atrocities committed by the Vietnamese Communists.

No it doesn't. But it helped me get over 10 years of being in Southeast Asia. Then the question remains, do we hold the current leaders accountable for what previous leaders did 30-40 years ago. Is Merkel held responsible for Hitler or Shinzo responsible for Tojo? People and countries change, old enemies become friends and friends become enemies. Vietnam is becoming closer and closer to us, we even have military dialog s going on between our top military officials.

For me that war ended in 1978, I put it behind me. I suggest you find a way to do that also if you are that old.
 
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And America's skirts are clean? Who put us on a pedestal and why should we be there?

Our skirts are clean compared to the Communists around the globe, including the Vietnamese.
 
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No it doesn't. But it helped me get over 10 years of being in Southeast Asia. Then the question remains, do we hold the current leaders accountable for what previous leaders did 30-40 years ago. Is Merkel held responsible for Hitler or Shinzo responsible for Tojo? People and countries change, old enemies become friends and friends become enemies. Vietnam is becoming closer and closer to us, we even have military dialog s going on between our top military officials.

For me that war ended in 1978, I put it behind me. I suggest you find a way to do that also if you are that old.

By that logic, we should forgive the Nazis as well.
 
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I read a book once written by a man in South Vietnam that was put into a reeducation camp after America left. I can't remember the name of the book but believe me they were certainly not into human rights then.

I'm sure they still aren't. A skunk doesn't change it's stripes.
 
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