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Marijuana: Toke Up on Mold, Insects and Manure

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Some may tout marijuana as a safe, recreational drug with valuable medicinal properties, but toke up your joint and it likely contains mold, pesticides, even dead insects, according to researchers at the University of New Haven in Connecticut.

In their genetic studies of marijuana, the researchers found a variety of nasty byproducts in the plant: fungi, mildew and even such bacterial contaminants as e-coli and salmonella.
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Marijuana: Toke Up on Mold, Insects and Manure - Yahoo

not sure if I put this in the right forum; but if ew are going to use marijuana for medical uses - it's time for the states to provide some quality control.

I would imagine Big Pharma is working on things like Sativex to crowd out the plant market -
afterall much more profits in pill forum then going to all the trouble of ensuiring pharmaceutical grade weeds to be sold.

But until the "whole plant" ( ALL or MOST of the cannibinoids) can be delivered in an oral spray, or pill - smoking marijuna is still the only way to get the benefits of the hundreds of canninbinoids.

Time for the states to step up, and time for the Fed's to just re-schedule marijuana down from a Schedule 1 drug.
(Way past time on the Fed's)

PS> I smoked from 1968, to a few years ago, never had any problems, but I might have just got lucky.
I quit because I'm old, and don't want the hot gasses anymore
 
The reason you should use a pill instead of a plant is that the exact dosage and absorption of the drug can be much more readily controlled, with minimal contaminants and variations. Smoking is actually one of the worst ways to deliver medicine.

You just want to smoke weed. Be honest about it. Your interest isn't medical.
 
We have medical "marijuana" through marinol which is quality controlled. It's a specific dose of synthetic canabinoid by prescription only. We have legal "medical marijuana." It's just not something that you smoke or provides an easy way for backdoor legalization.
 
annata said:
Marijuana: Toke Up on Mold, Insects and Manure - Yahoo

not sure if I put this in the right forum; but if ew are going to use marijuana for medical uses - it's time for the states to provide some quality control.

I would imagine Big Pharma is working on things like Sativex to crowd out the plant market -
afterall much more profits in pill forum then going to all the trouble of ensuiring pharmaceutical grade weeds to be sold.

But until the "whole plant" ( ALL or MOST of the cannibinoids) can be delivered in an oral spray, or pill - smoking marijuna is still the only way to get the benefits of the hundreds of canninbinoids.

Time for the states to step up, and time for the Fed's to just re-schedule marijuana down from a Schedule 1 drug.
(Way past time on the Fed's)

PS> I smoked from 1968, to a few years ago, never had any problems, but I might have just got lucky.
I quit because I'm old, and don't want the hot gasses anymore
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Uhm so do most canned foods, though through cooking they are deemed harmless. So let's see, is the end of a joint as hot or hotter than cooking?
 
Deuce said:
The reason you should use a pill instead of a plant is that the exact dosage and absorption of the drug can be much more readily controlled, with minimal contaminants and variations. Smoking is actually one of the worst ways to deliver medicine.

You just want to smoke weed. Be honest about it. Your interest isn't medical.
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Actually inhaled medications are better than those that go through the gastrointestinal tract, with the exceptions of course of ones intended to work therein. The gasteic juices and the slow absorption make pills one of the least effective from anything I've ever read.
 
Safety is over-rated in this nation of ******s. Every week I read an article telling me that my cats poop will kill me. Well, I ain't dead and heaven knows I handle cat poop, they stick their butts in my face and AFAIK, pot is probably cleaner than my cats asses.

Light up. You'll be fine.
 
annata said:
Marijuana: Toke Up on Mold, Insects and Manure - Yahoo

not sure if I put this in the right forum; but if ew are going to use marijuana for medical uses - it's time for the states to provide some quality control.

I would imagine Big Pharma is working on things like Sativex to crowd out the plant market -
afterall much more profits in pill forum then going to all the trouble of ensuiring pharmaceutical grade weeds to be sold.

But until the "whole plant" ( ALL or MOST of the cannibinoids) can be delivered in an oral spray, or pill - smoking marijuna is still the only way to get the benefits of the hundreds of canninbinoids.

Time for the states to step up, and time for the Fed's to just re-schedule marijuana down from a Schedule 1 drug.
(Way past time on the Fed's)

PS> I smoked from 1968, to a few years ago, never had any problems, but I might have just got lucky.
I quit because I'm old, and don't want the hot gasses anymore
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You did not just get lucky, in order to create the smoke you lit the mj of fire and guess what, heat makes those things harmless.
 
Deuce said:
The reason you should use a pill instead of a plant is that the exact dosage and absorption of the drug can be much more readily controlled, with minimal contaminants and variations. Smoking is actually one of the worst ways to deliver medicine.

You just want to smoke weed. Be honest about it. Your interest isn't medical.
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look at it; an extensive graph of the phytocannibinoids ( plant delivered, as oposed to endocanibinoids synthesized by the body).

This is breakthru medicine, the hundreds of cannibinoids are not easily stabilized, nor proportioned like the various strains of the plant in an oral spray
Eventually they WILL be but they are NOT now.

here is another chart, shows some of the therapeutic uses.

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Summerwind said:
Actually inhaled medications are better than those that go through the gastrointestinal tract, with the exceptions of course of ones intended to work therein. The gasteic juices and the slow absorption make pills one of the least effective from anything I've ever read.
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That's not true for all drugs. Some drug particles can't be adequately absorbed and delivered through the lungs or might irritate the lungs. We formulate pills to work and be bioavalable through the GI route. We can enteric coat them, put in place delayed release medications, formulate the drug in a salt form to aid in absorption and numerous other things.
 
The OP is correct in that the medical benefits are a dynamic combination of cannabinoids and terpenes.

While it is theoretically possible to determine what complexes work best for what conditions, it won't be just one. And as extremely low thc strains already exist, and side effects are minimal, why make it necessary to pay some corporation hundreds of dollars for something you can adequately approximise with simple strain genetics and grow yourself for almost nothing?

The Israelis have let the cat out of the bag. Cannabis works. NOW big pharma will stop trying to keep it out and try to control it instead.

Better than the previous needless suffering, I guess.
 
annata said:
here: too large to upload as an image:

http://greengeo.weebly.com/uploads/1/8/8/0/18806856/4359283_orig.jpg



look at it; an extensive graph of the phytocannibinoids ( plant delivered, as oposed to endocanibinoids synthesized by the body).

This is breakthru medicine, the hundreds of cannibinoids are not easily stabilized, nor proportioned like the various strains of the plant in an oral spray
Eventually they WILL be but they are NOT now.

here is another chart, shows some of the therapeutic uses.

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They are more easily stabilized and controlled in a pill than they are in a plant. How many micrograms of each substance enters your bloodstream when you smoke a joint? You can't tell me, because each joint has a varying amount of plant in it. And coming from different parts of a plant can cause those materials to vary. And a different plant may not be the same as the first. And you might not inhale the same way that I do. And your lungs may not absorb inhaled smoke the same way that I do. And my joint may not be rolled the same so may not burn the same. There's already enough variables in determining what exact effects a medicine will have, setting a plant on fire adds another hundred or so.
 
Summerwind said:
Actually inhaled medications are better than those that go through the gastrointestinal tract, with the exceptions of course of ones intended to work therein. The gasteic juices and the slow absorption make pills one of the least effective from anything I've ever read.
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Faster absorption doesn't mean it works better. Sometimes that's not what you want.
 
annata said:
but not "cooking" into my lungs, and not deep into my brochial tubes - the gasses are not good for the heart either.

I mean "smoke it if you got them", I just quit, not like i missed out on anything - smoking weed for almost 40 years.

Would have been nice to have it LEGAL, though...
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I too have kind of lost interest although I have a best friend that I smoke with (crack also) very little to stay social. Pot makes me too loopy to drive (didn't used to but getting old and all that) and crack - I have yet to figure out what it does (just about nothing for me but she likes it so....WTH).

If t gets legal enough to have "coffee houses" like in Amsterdam, I'll be trying that out since pot smokers are kind of social and unlike drinkers, they don't start fights.
 
Deuce said:
The reason you should use a pill instead of a plant is that the exact dosage and absorption of the drug can be much more readily controlled, with minimal contaminants and variations. Smoking is actually one of the worst ways to deliver medicine.

You just want to smoke weed. Be honest about it. Your interest isn't medical.
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Pretty much. If you drag almost anything other than clean air into your lungs it's not going to help your lungs.
 
digsbe said:
We have medical "marijuana" through marinol which is quality controlled. It's a specific dose of synthetic canabinoid by prescription only. We have legal "medical marijuana." It's just not something that you smoke or provides an easy way for backdoor legalization.
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very limited use - being replaced by Sativex (THC & CBD). Almost done FDA clinical trials last i looked, should be available -
well who knows with our screwed up DEA?
 
specklebang said:
I too have kind of lost interest although I have a best friend that I smoke with (crack also) very little to stay social. Pot makes me too loopy to drive (didn't used to but getting old and all that) and crack - I have yet to figure out what it does (just about nothing for me but she likes it so....WTH).

If t gets legal enough to have "coffee houses" like in Amsterdam, I'll be trying that out since pot smokers are kind of social and unlike drinkers, they don't start fights.
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Pot always made you too loopy to drive. Before, you just didn't realize it.
 
specklebang said:
I too have kind of lost interest although I have a best friend that I smoke with (crack also) very little to stay social. Pot makes me too loopy to drive (didn't used to but getting old and all that) and crack - I have yet to figure out what it does (just about nothing for me but she likes it so....WTH).

If t gets legal enough to have "coffee houses" like in Amsterdam, I'll be trying that out since pot smokers are kind of social and unlike drinkers, they don't start fights.
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I was getting a funky little tap dance in my heart sometimes, figured time to snuff it out.

Getting old sucks, only thing good about it , is it's better then the alternative (not getting old; as in dead)
 
Deuce said:
The reason you should use a pill instead of a plant is that the exact dosage and absorption of the drug can be much more readily controlled, with minimal contaminants and variations. Smoking is actually one of the worst ways to deliver medicine.

You just want to smoke weed. Be honest about it. Your interest isn't medical.
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Of course, you're making that argument to someone who admits to having smoked it for over forty years. Chances are, this person's brain is too badly and permanently damaged from the long term drug abuse to even be able to understand the point that you're trying to make.
 
Deuce said:
Pot always made you too loopy to drive. Before, you just didn't realize it.
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You may be right. I'm not really sure. Now I'm old & paranoid so I won't drive under any circumstances with anything illegal in my system. Even pain meds take me off the road if I catch any degree of buzz.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Of course, you're making that argument to someone who admits to having smoked it for over forty years. Chances are, this person's brain is too badly and permanently damaged from the long term drug abuse to even be able to understand the point that you're trying to make.
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No way Jose. Drugs are brain for your good.

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annata said:
I was getting a funky little tap dance in my heart sometimes, figured time to snuff it out.

Getting old sucks, only thing good about it , is it's better then the alternative (not getting old; as in dead)
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Dead doesn't sound that bad. Just a really, really long nap and no bills to pay.
 
Deuce said:
They are more easily stabilized and controlled in a pill than they are in a plant. How many micrograms of each substance enters your bloodstream when you smoke a joint? You can't tell me, because each joint has a varying amount of plant in it. And coming from different parts of a plant can cause those materials to vary. And a different plant may not be the same as the first. And you might not inhale the same way that I do. And your lungs may not absorb inhaled smoke the same way that I do. And my joint may not be rolled the same so may not burn the same. There's already enough variables in determining what exact effects a medicine will have, setting a plant on fire adds another hundred or so.
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i'm not debating the merits of sprays/pills vs. smoking. It is obviously more safe to not smoke.
The biggest argument against medical marijuana is it IS smoked - the DEA uses this as a reason not to legitimize it's medical use. Period.

Despite the known medical uses ( feel free to google them up)

If you had bothered to LOOK at the charts, or the medicinal uses of the various cannibinoids ,,,,
well you didn't or you wouldn't be making this 'strawman' debating point..
 
specklebang said:
Dead doesn't sound that bad. Just a really, really long nap and no bills to pay.
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eternity will come soon enough, no need to move up the date.

Polishing up my karma for release of another cyclical re-birth.
 
Grinding pills into solution, such as Viagra, guarantees full absorption into the bloodstream and a smooth launch..
Obviously, we'll need years of test subjects using the "pill" form of weed..
Colorado and California have some of the top weed pharmacies in the world,
just like a Real Pharmacy with inspection and Grade, Type, Percent THC .
Summerwind said:
Actually inhaled medications are better than those that go through the gastrointestinal tract, with the exceptions of course of ones intended to work therein. The gasteic juices and the slow absorption make pills one of the least effective from anything I've ever read.
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