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Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

I guess we'll find out in Avatar 2!

Meh. If they bring the Colonel back, I might check it out. Worthington is waaay too boring to carry the lead by himself.

You just know that the series is eventually going to end with the humans finding out that Earth has a "hive mind" like Pandora's, and becoming communist hunter gatherers like the Navi as well. :roll:
 
Everything that has been construed as the "Christian" angle... sacrifice and resurrection, corruption by sin (greed, etc.), the foiling of evil, the triumph of good, has been the mainstay of nearly every work of fiction, including ancient theatrical performances (especially in East Asia) for millennium. If people wish to pluck out pieces to create allegories that fit their personal ideology, it's not too difficult to do so. As a novelist, I learned that there are only seven basic plots in existence, and all works of fiction draw from one or more of these plots in constructing their stories.

Holy ****, did you not read the quote I provided from lewis himself? The guy was always open about the explicit christian themes of HIS work, which surely holds more validity than some chowder head on the internet

Again, from lewis: "You are mistaken when you think that everything in the books 'represents' something in this world. Things do that in The Pilgrim's Progress [a 1678 allegory by John Bunyan] but I'm not writing in that way. I did not say to myself 'Let us represent Jesus as He really is in our world by a Lion in Narnia': I said, 'Let us suppose that there were a land like Narnia and that the Son of God, as he became a Man in our world, became a Lion there, and then imagine what would happen.'
C.S. Lewis, quoted in Walter Hooper, C. S. Lewis: A Companion and Guide"

the accompanying piece from the BBC: "Each of the Chronicles focuses on a different part of the Christian story and theology. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe draws on themes of sacrifice and resurrection. In The Magician's Nephew, the first book in chronological order, Narnia is sung into being by Aslan but corrupted by original sin. The Last Battle is an apocalyptic culmination. Other books feature pilgrimages, "the restoration of the true religion after a corruption" and the foiling of many evil schemes.

In The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, along with Aslan as Christ figure, one character fulfils a Judas role by being tempted to betray the others, while the White Witch herself plays the role of the tempter. The role of Father Christmas has been compared to the Holy Spirit, as has Aslan's magical breath. The name of the oldest child may even have been a reference to Saint Peter."

I honestly am amazed that someone would even try to debate this, while adopting a position of authority. Being that it's so widely recognized
 
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There you go dodging that you got caught being worng. :mrgreen:

Just google Chronicles of Narnia and see where the author himself says it's about Jesus in alternate reality. Of course, if you won't take the author's word for it... :roll:

lol, I posted a quote from him earlier
 
Holy ****, did you not read the quote I provided from lewis himself? The guy was always open about the explicit christian themes of HIS work, which surely holds more validity than some chowder head on the internet

Again, from lewis: "You are mistaken when you think that everything in the books 'represents' something in this world. Things do that in The Pilgrim's Progress [a 1678 allegory by John Bunyan] but I'm not writing in that way. I did not say to myself 'Let us represent Jesus as He really is in our world by a Lion in Narnia': I said, 'Let us suppose that there were a land like Narnia and that the Son of God, as he became a Man in our world, became a Lion there, and then imagine what would happen.'
C.S. Lewis, quoted in Walter Hooper, C. S. Lewis: A Companion and Guide"

So IOW, while it does have christian themes, it is not a version of a Bible story.
 
So IOW, while it does have christian themes, it is not a version of a Bible story.

Is this where you seek attention by trying to argue something that has no relevance to anything anyone wrote?
 
Is this where you seek attention by trying to argue something that has no relevance to anything anyone wrote?

True. No one said anything about Narnia being a bible story

It's worse than when my born-again daughter and her husband tried to convince me that The Chronicles of Narnia was actually a Bible story, only Jesus was played by a lion! (No, I'm not kidding... sadly)
 
True. No one said anything about Narnia being a bible story

lol, so were going to ignore the rants about it having nothing to do with Christianity? Like I said, stop panhandling for attention, it's pathetic
 
Having played Cowboys and Indians as a child, and remembering how no one wanted to be an Indian, I have to disagree about them not making connections.

I'm talking about Pippi Longstocking and Chronicles of Narnia. Most children are not going to understand these references that you are all referring to. They are just enjoying the adventures.
 
OMFG!


Say it ain't so, Pippi
Books like The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn have long been banned in many schools and libraries over alleged racism. Could Pippi Longstocking be next? According to one theologian, Astrid Lindgren's classic children's novels about the pig-tailed adventurer feature unsavory "colonial racist stereotypes." Pippi joins a long list of surprising children's characters who have been accused of racism. From Babar to the Smurfs, here's a look:

Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters - The Week


I didn't know you had Pippi in America. I used to read them as a kid in Sweden, she was the little girl that was really strong, right?

I'm sure a lot of that stuff would be inappropriate today, maybe there are racist undertones, but you have to think that was written in a different era with different standards.
 
I didn't know you had Pippi in America. I used to read them as a kid in Sweden, she was the little girl that was really strong, right?

I'm sure a lot of that stuff would be inappropriate today, maybe there are racist undertones, but you have to think that was written in a different era with different standards.


If the standard at that time was to make children's book with all people in the nude, would that be acceptable to you now to show to children?
 
If the standard at that time was to make children's book with all people in the nude, would that be acceptable to you now to show to children?

Well I don't have any objection to nudity, so I wouldn't care if my kids saw that. But, if what you're trying to say is that certain literature is appropriate in certain situations (or time periods), that's pretty much what I was saying too.

A lot of the old disney stuff was racist. I'm sure people have fond memories but it's time to pull it off the shelves. Same could be true for Pippi. Who knows. I would have to see the book.
 
I'm talking about Pippi Longstocking and Chronicles of Narnia. Most children are not going to understand these references that you are all referring to. They are just enjoying the adventures.

Yes and no. Remember that issue surrounding the Common Core lesson plan sheet that involved a student reading about how the President tries his hardest to do the right thing and that the needs of the individual subside to the needs of the many? If children are not going to understand the references in that lesson plan, I would likewise argue the same with the Pippi Longstocking or Tin-Tin. However, if conservatives can generally agree there is some issue surrounding the references in the Common Core lesson being able to potentially indoctrinate students, then they should be willing to entertain the notion that the ideas found in these books will influence children/students.
 
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Yes and no. Remember that issue surrounding the Common Core lesson plan sheet that involved a student reading about how the President tries his hardest to do the right thing and that the needs of the individual subside to the needs of the many? If children are not going to understand the references in that lesson plan, I would likewise argue the same with the Pippi Longstocking or Tin-Tin. However, if conservatives can generally agree there is some issue surrounding the references in the Common Core lesson being able to potentially indoctrinate students, then they should be willing to entertain the notion that the ideas found in these books will influence children/students.

I have no idea what a "common core lesson plan" is. I'm not a teacher, and I'm not trying to make any political statement. I'm simply stating the fact that children enjoy the stories and couldn't care less about the "adult politics" behind the story. We've all read these books and stories, and they certainly don't turn people into racists. That is retarded.
 
lol, so were going to ignore the rants about it having nothing to do with Christianity? Like I said, stop panhandling for attention, it's pathetic

YOu claimed that my post had nothing to do with anything anyone said. I proved that it directly addressed what Diana said in her first post about the matter. Because I proved you wrong, you're now going to whine about it.
 
I'm talking about Pippi Longstocking and Chronicles of Narnia. Most children are not going to understand these references that you are all referring to. They are just enjoying the adventures.

I agree with those two. I'm still wondering what the racist themes of Pippi Longstocking actually are :shrug:
 
Having played Cowboys and Indians as a child, and remembering how no one wanted to be an Indian, I have to disagree about them not making connections.

Hell everyone wanted to be the indians here especially if Custard was involved:mrgreen:
 
I didn't know you had Pippi in America. I used to read them as a kid in Sweden, she was the little girl that was really strong, right?

I'm sure a lot of that stuff would be inappropriate today, maybe there are racist undertones, but you have to think that was written in a different era with different standards.

I think one really has to look for these overtones, as a matter of fact needing something to complain about would have to be a top trait.
 
I suppose I would divide the discussion in two, myself. Are they racist is one consideration. Should they be banned is another.

There are varying degrees of racism in many oft these books, but instead of banning them and relegating them to the dustbin of history, why not use them as illustrative, instead? By turning racist stereotypes into learning tools, a teacher can combat racism rather than promote it, and by doing so, can work to undo such stereotypes by placing them into their proper historical context.
 
I agree with those two. I'm still wondering what the racist themes of Pippi Longstocking actually are :shrug:

Good God, who knows? All I know is that in the article it mentions that the Smurfs have been accused of being racist too. :lamo The SMURFS!
 
I suppose I would divide the discussion in two, myself. Are they racist is one consideration. Should they be banned is another.

There are varying degrees of racism in many oft these books, but instead of banning them and relegating them to the dustbin of history, why not use them as illustrative, instead? By turning racist stereotypes into learning tools, a teacher can combat racism rather than promote it, and by doing so, can work to undo such stereotypes by placing them into their proper historical context.

as I stated previously, this is the approuch of Disney is their newer cartoon anthologies. opening up their more controversial work with a small outline of the historical and social content, then veering into a larger discussion on such things as racism
 
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