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Child taken from womb by social services

Well, there have been numerous and well-publicised cases where social services over-reach, negligence and malpractice have led to some terrible outcomes. The case from the OP may or may not be such a case, we simply don't have the evidence to make a judgement, yet.

I do agree that a lot of people here are making wild assumptions based on scant accurate information and some seriously dodgy reporting, fed no doubt by a liberal (or conservative) dose of paranoia.

I was commenting on the notion that anyone for any reason can make a claim that you are a bad parent and the DHS will swoop in a take your kids away without any evidence or proof. That happens in the movies yes, but not really in real life. Granted there are stories where people have lost their children for a period of time during investigations of abuse etc... However this poster was making it seem as though this was the norm, not the exception.

Tim-
 
I was commenting on the notion that anyone for any reason can make a claim that you are a bad parent and the DHS will swoop in a take your kids away without any evidence or proof. That happens in the movies yes, but not really in real life. Granted there are stories where people have lost their children for a period of time during investigations of abuse etc... However this poster was making it seem as though this was the norm, not the exception.

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Fair enough. I certainly don't believe that such abuses are very common at all, certainly not in the UK or Spain. I couldn't really comment on the US.
 
Oh please.. Seriously you watch too many movies.

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Seriously, no I don't......Just go on the internet and look up such websites as "Fight CPS", "Kidjacked" and the many blogs devoted to this subject and you will find the truth about child protective services in this country...
 
I was commenting on the notion that anyone for any reason can make a claim that you are a bad parent and the DHS will swoop in a take your kids away without any evidence or proof. That happens in the movies yes, but not really in real life. Granted there are stories where people have lost their children for a period of time during investigations of abuse etc... However this poster was making it seem as though this was the norm, not the exception.

Tim-



You should do some investigating before being so quick in your judgement....
 
I still remember the UK case of conjoined twins. Doctors said unless separated they both would only live a few years, but if they were surgical separated, one could have a full life span, though the other killed in the process. The mother said no, let them both live as long as they do. But a UK court ruled to kill one of the children to give the other a full lifespan.

A lot of things about the UK really sucks. It seems Americans don't understand what the America Revolutionary war was about really.
 
This has very little to do with Britain's healthcare system, but everything to do with their Social Services....Ours is as bad or worse than theirs....Ours
may not force the hospital to take the baby out, but they will sure be there to take it from the hospital..

Did you know that you have no civil rights when dealing with your County Department of Human or Social Services? Did you know that your local DHS office has more power than your local police department?

Did you know that they can come to your home, without a warrant or court order, and seize your children on the complaint of a teacher, neighbor, or relative? Did you know that they can snatch your children if you leave them unattended for a few moments, even if it isn't against the law?

Yes, I do anyway.
 
Did they also anally probe her for 14 hours?
 
Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph

So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.

She's not a citizen of the UK.

OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact.

This doesn't require a national health care system. It just requires a government powerful enough to pull rank over other entities. We have that right here in America, and have for a long time.

I'm having an out-of-body experience just letting it sink in that this really happened. I can't even formulate a reaction. What in the hell is happening to the world?

They tranqued her like a wildebeest and cut her child out of her. I'm literally struck dumb that this has actually occurred. But really, terrible stuff has been going on for a while in both Britain and the US. Stuff that was inconceivable just 30 years ago.

Why are people still not doing anything? Why is it still silent in all the places it really counts?
 
Yep, that's in the story. Apparently the court denied the father's sister custody because she's not a "blood relative."

Yes and right after that it mentioned that the child is to be adopted by strangers. Its all messed up.
 
This doesn't require a national health care system. It just requires a government powerful enough to pull rank over other entities. We have that right here in America, and have for a long time.

I'm having an out-of-body experience just letting it sink in that this really happened. I can't even formulate a reaction. What in the hell is happening to the world?

They tranqued her like a wildebeest and cut her child out of her. I'm literally struck dumb that this has actually occurred. But really, terrible stuff has been going on for a while in both Britain and the US. Stuff that was inconceivable just 30 years ago.

Why are people still not doing anything? Why is it still silent in all the places it really counts?

The reason people aren't doing anything is because they have become accustomed to government being the answer to their needs and desires. What are they going to do, bite the hand that feeds them? If there was ever a textbook example of why I am opposed to ceding more and more responsibility to a central government this is it.
 
By no means am I defending the actions of the UK 'system' but could they have been doing this so that they could properly medicate or otherwise treat the woman and not harm the baby?
 
By no means am I defending the actions of the UK 'system' but could they have been doing this so that they could properly medicate or otherwise treat the woman and not harm the baby?

That wouldn't explain why they're trying to give the child to a British couple.
 
That wouldn't explain why they're trying to give the child to a British couple.

The thread got ridiculous and I didnt bother to carry it any further.
 
I still remember the UK case of conjoined twins. Doctors said unless separated they both would only live a few years, but if they were surgical separated, one could have a full life span, though the other killed in the process. The mother said no, let them both live as long as they do. But a UK court ruled to kill one of the children to give the other a full lifespan.

A lot of things about the UK really sucks. It seems Americans don't understand what the America Revolutionary war was about really.

I am familiar with that case. The twins were only a couple of weeks old and the Medical experts were saying that unless the girls were separated, both would die within a few months. The Parents are very religious and opposed to the killing of one child for another and preferred to let nature take it course and let both die. They felt that it was gods will.

Terrible situation to be faced with to begin with.
 
This doesn't require a national health care system. It just requires a government powerful enough to pull rank over other entities. We have that right here in America, and have for a long time.

I'm having an out-of-body experience just letting it sink in that this really happened. I can't even formulate a reaction. What in the hell is happening to the world?





Because people are unaware and are letting it happen..There are grass roots organizations in the U.S that are trying to fight back, but they never get far... Unless it happens to you, you don't believe that it is happening to others..but it is and people all over this country are losing their children and/or grandchildren and NOT getting them back.....
 
Yes and right after that it mentioned that the child is to be adopted by strangers. Its all messed up.



That is happening here as well. Thanks to ASFA--Adoption and Safe Family Act of 1997, huge financial gains are afforded to those CPS/DHS Agencies who quickly get children adopted out of foster homes...Estimates are $4,000 --$6,000 per adoption....They do not follow their own protocol of reunification of families as there is no financial gain.
 
The reason people aren't doing anything is because they have become accustomed to government being the answer to their needs and desires. What are they going to do, bite the hand that feeds them? If there was ever a textbook example of why I am opposed to ceding more and more responsibility to a central government this is it.


You are quite mistaken...It is not the federal government that is responsible, but state governments.....
 
You are quite mistaken...It is not the federal government that is responsible, but state governments.....

The difference is that it's easier to get changes at the state level than the federal level. You also have the option of moving to a different state if yours is screwed but moving to a different country is more difficult.
 
The difference is that it's easier to get changes at the state level than the federal level. You also have the option of moving to a different state if yours is screwed but moving to a different country is more difficult.



Unfortunately, the problems with CPS are nationwide, but at the state level...
 
WOW. I mean, WOW, like ZOINKS! That's the kind of stuff you only see in dystopian movies, but no, it's the real-life state of the UK. I cannot imagine a greater violation of your person than forcibly slicing your body open and taking your unborn child. That's a tick above China's forced abortions.

As a dude.... If that happened to my wife and unborn child.... Just imagine the movie Braveheart.

Can we vote in congress to invade Britian with American Army? Is that an option?
 
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I bet there is more to this story. I have not looked it up yet...but could she take her bipolar meds while pregnant? Was she suicidal or attempting to harm herself or others or the baby? I bet there is a bit more to this story.


I don't care if she is bat**** crazy...

Cutting a woman open and stealing her child defines crazy.


Of course these "liberals" are always talking about "reproductive rights" until they steal babies out the womb like some unprecedented freak show out of 1984.
 
Obviously you didn't read the thread. I have seen a guys leg amputated without permission. Ohhh the outrage, the mindless outrage.
I don't care if she is bat**** crazy...

Cutting a woman open and stealing her child defines crazy.


Of course these "liberals" are always talking about "reproductive rights" until they steal babies out the womb like some unprecedented freak show out of 1984.
 
They didn't operate to take the child. It's unique in my experience of mental health services that a foetus be deemed so at risk from it's mother that caesarian section becomes an option. Once that decidion is taken and carried through, the child becomes an independent legal entity with rights of it's own, and with a parent so dangerous to it that premature birth was needed for it's safety, then it follows that adoption was the only rational course.
 
Your mental health services went too far.
 
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