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Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

Fisher said:
...because some don't need to buy their friends :yawn:
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Good Answer. Good Answer.

Can we see the board? #1 for 85 points.

It is amazing how many people will side with a particular group because it is a fad or because they were told to with no personal experience whatsoever.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
why do people side with the group that has all the power, not the ones with out power?
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The owner of a business has power because it is their business, they sign the paychecks, they get to set policy. I side with what is right, I never had the nerve to tell an employer "how things will be" I just said "yes sir, what time do I need to be there". Sometimes, just for giggles I might have had a smart ass answer for something here or there, but that was more in jest. My employer said "I need you for x day" and I was there.

I can tell you, I've been talked out of leaving multiple jobs without making a demand. I told my employers I needed more hours, or more money and they literally asked if more would keep me. The reason I stayed was because I got a raise, the reason they gave the raise was my attitude. I gave my employers what they wanted, when they wanted it if not earlier, without complaint, and exceeded expectations when I could because that's how I was taught to work.
 
Harshaw said:
Why is the "side without the power" automatically right?
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Something I've lived by for years is that I don't begrudge people who've come into money or power if they've earned it, I want to know how they do it so I can join them. I don't want to take their money or power, I want to earn my own.
 
KevinKohler said:
Chose retail, lol? Hardly. My wife worked retail while getting her BFA, and I turned to retail after saying goodbye to food service. I was a restaurant GM for 8 years before turning to retail. The recession brought that on. The place I ran got to hurting for business, and the owner closed the doors. To be honest, I was tired of restaurant management by that time anyway. My wife never got a job in her major, and retail paid her loans.

BJs is a wholesale club, like Costco or Sams. A grocer. And while many grocers are open on the holidays, it's half days. But those are next on the chopping block. And the reason it's an issue is because, frankly, these jobs are gonna be all that's left in this country.

Only the pee ons have to work the holidays in retail. I am no longer a pee on. I make my argue meant for future generations, because I am concerned about more than just myself. Something people from YOUR generation failed epically at, if your over 40.
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Wow, you spend all your time implying you are sticking up for 'the little guy' employee and then you call them 'pee ons?' And are now crowing that you are above them?

It's 'peon' from the Spanish word for a member of the landless labor class, "a person who does hard or boring work for very little money : a person who is not very important in a society or organization."
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
why do people side with the group that has all the power, not the ones with out power?
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Well for me it should be about right and wrong, or following the Constitution as best as possible.

Not some butthurt bitterness about 'Them' and 'Us'.
 
Lursa said:
Well for me it should be about right and wrong, or following the Constitution as best as possible.

Not some butthurt bitterness about 'Them' and 'Us'.
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Yes. Sometimes "the little guy" is wrong.
 
Mason66 said:
That is why you must remove a dangerous employee right away.
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Er no. This is why an employer should not take advantage of employees and not follow labor laws and safety procedures.
 
Lursa said:
Er no. This is why an employer should not take advantage of employees and not follow labor laws and safety procedures.
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How many businesses have you run?

Sometimes it is cheaper to deal with the lawsuit instead of having an employee steal you blind or destroy your company from the inside out.
 
Mason66 said:
How many businesses have you run?

Sometimes it is cheaper to deal with the lawsuit instead of having an employee steal you blind or destroy your company from the inside out.
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I worked for my father's business all thru high school and college and ended up office manager before moving on to my career. I also did construction, cleaned offices, paid bills, etc etc etc for that business.

I also worked in the HR dept of a large corp while I was going to night school many years later.
 
Lursa said:
I worked for my father's business all thru high school and college and ended up office manager before moving on to my career. I also did construction, cleaned offices, paid bills, etc etc etc for that business.

I also worked in the HR dept of a large corp while I was going to night school many years later.
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And you would still keep a dangerous employee on the payroll even though you know he could cause the business to be closed?
 
Mason66 said:
And you would still keep a dangerous employee on the payroll even though you know he could cause the business to be closed?
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An employee that is a danger to himself, other employees, or customers etc? No, I wouldnt keep them. An employee who I have attempted to take advantage of by demanding they break labor laws or safety laws/procedures? Well, I wouldnt do that to begin with.
 
Lursa said:
An employee that is a danger to himself, other employees, or customers etc? No, I wouldnt keep them. An employee who I have attempted to take advantage of by demanding they break labor laws or safety laws/procedures? Well, I wouldnt do that to begin with.
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I mean if the employee was unhappy with you for whatever reason and he was capable of creating a rpbolem to cost the business a ton of money or get the business closed.

A vindictive employee.

They have to go, period.
 
Lursa said:
I worked for my father's business all thru high school and college and ended up office manager before moving on to my career. I also did construction, cleaned offices, paid bills, etc etc etc for that business.

I also worked in the HR dept of a large corp while I was going to night school many years later.
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So in other words, you've run none. Thank you.
 
Cephus said:
So in other words, you've run none. Thank you.
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Ah, you're only half right....I was in on everything for that business....and as I went thru college, had some decision-making capacity. Who do you think was paying the bills, handling the employee issues? I may not have had final word (altho my father was happy to encourage my participation) but I was at least privy to everything that went on.

You can choose to dismiss this experience, but that wouldnt be realistic.
 
Harshaw said:
Why is the "side without the power" automatically right?
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look, my attitude about how the employee and employer relationship should work is based on the simple notion that a employer should not abuse his employees.

i am naturally biased business because i read too many examples of business or men in possession of vast amounts of money who oversee hundreds of workers.

my example of the worst kind of boss is a family named londonderry, a victorian noble family which lived in the north of england and made a fortune selling coal that was found on their land. the workers who worked in their mines were treated like slaves. when one of his companys coal pits suffered a explosion and killed 95 workers, the widdows and children of the dead miners were paid one week's wages in compensation. the town raised 4,265 pounds for the victims families, lord londonderry did not have any room in his heart to donate any of his vast wealth to the families.

here is a link to the story i reference.

Haswell Colliery & the Disaster of September 1844 | Durham Records Online Library

heres is a poem by george werth about the tragedy:

The hundred men of Haswell,
They all died in the same day;
They all died in the same hour;
They all went the self same way.

And when they were all buried,
Came a hundred women, lo,
A hundred women of Haswell,
It was sight of owe !
With all their children came they,
With daughter and with son:
‘Now, thou rich man of Haswell,
Her wage to everyone !’
By that rich man of Haswell
Not long were they denied:
A full week’s wages he paid them
For every man who died.
And when the wage was given,
His chest fast locked up he;
The iron lock clicked sharply,
The women wept bitterly.
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Unitedwestand13 said:
look, my attitude about how the employee and employer relationship should work is based on the simple notion that a employer should not abuse his employees.

i am naturally biased business because i read too many examples of business or men in possession of vast amounts of money who oversee hundreds of workers.

my example of the worst kind of boss is a family named londonderry, a victorian noble family which lived in the north of england and made a fortune selling coal that was found on their land. the workers who worked in their mines were treated like slaves. when one of his companys coal pits suffered a explosion and killed 95 workers, the widdows and children of the dead miners were paid one week's wages in compensation. the town raised 4,265 pounds for the victims families, lord londonderry did not have any room in his heart to donate any of his vast wealth to the families.

here is a link to the story i reference.

Haswell Colliery & the Disaster of September 1844 | Durham Records Online Library

heres is a poem by george werth about the tragedy:
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Yeah, 'coz making people work in an upscale organic foods grocery store for $12/hr on Thanksgiving is a tragedy worthy of Aeschylus. I can already hear his lamentation of their trendy aprons.
 
Harshaw said:
Yeah, 'coz making people work in an upscale organic foods grocery store for $12/hr on Thanksgiving is a tragedy worthy of Aeschylus. I can already hear his lamentation of their trendy aprons.
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i was just explaining where i was coming from here. besides i am not the one who should be talking about the traumas dealt to whole-foods workers: i am 21 and about to start college, so yes i fit the monicker "hypocrite" because i have no expeirance of being employed. but if i ever get employed i will apply the same phillosophy i applied to my schoolwork, work hard and don't tick off the person controlling your grades.
 
Lursa said:
Wow, you spend all your time implying you are sticking up for 'the little guy' employee and then you call them 'pee ons?' And are now crowing that you are above them?

It's 'peon' from the Spanish word for a member of the landless labor class, "a person who does hard or boring work for very little money : a person who is not very important in a society or organization."
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I am merely echoing the tone I get from those posting here.

I always thought it had to do with **** falling down hill, IE, someone to pee on. It's good to know origins of terms. Thanks.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
"Since the 1930s, under the federal National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), whenever two or more employees complain or protest or demand from their employer changes in the terms of their job and/or the conditions of their employment, their employer cannot retaliate against them for that." Do workers have rights? - Baltimore Sun
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Tell that to Reagan.
 
This was one small victory for the Working Man. Their determination and moxy won them the right not to work Thanksgiving. Working Man 1, The Man 0.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
i was just explaining where i was coming from here.
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If that's where you're coming from -- real abuse of workers from the 19th century -- then you shouldn't have much sympathy for those Whole Foods knobs.
 
Gipper said:
The "right" not to work. Hilarious.
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The right not to work is a basic human natural right, which should not be infringed upon (in any manner) by employers or others of so-called authority. It's time we sit down for our rights. Power to the people!
 
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