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Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

Phil_Osophy said:
You dont have a right to force your will on people. If he doesnt want to negotiate, he doesnt have to.
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Yeah, your right. No one has the will to force people to leave because they have plans to travel for Thanksgiving and the employer decides at the last minute he needs that guy to work because someone else got fired or got sick.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Yeah, your right. No one has the will to force people to leave because they have plans to travel for Thanksgiving and the employer decides at the last minute he needs that guy to work because someone else got fired or got sick.
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He can fire them for that, and they can find another job.
 
Phil_Osophy said:
If it is his business, he should be allowed to hire and fire whoever he wants. Period. If he doesnt want to negotiate, he doesnt have to.
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No, at will does not have to apply. That leaves the door open for an employee being able to get fired for anything.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The right to collective bargain is legal so no... You can't simply say go somewhere else if your employees want to negotiate.
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Not in a right to work state. You are an at will employee in a right to work state, and there are plenty of other reasons to fire someone who wants to bitch and complain about the work environment.
 
KevinKohler said:
Then say goodbye to holidays. If employers think they can make money Christmas Day, they are going to require their hires to work Christmas Day. If you accept that retail is the fastest growing employer in the American job market, and already the largest sector currently, then you must logically accept an "end of an era" in terms of the old standard. A lowering of the quality of life, no more stories of mom and dad sitting together at thanksgiving, enjoying an uninterrupted day with whole family.
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No, there isn't any logic there. The reality is it's already been the case for decades that some retail folks work Thanksgiiving and even Christmas day. It's not an end of the era, and holidays still persist. When you go to work at a grocery store, generally you get seven holidays a year. Believe it or not, not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving or even Christmas. And there's always folks that want to work and get the time and a half. I've done it.

It isn't retail and the fact that they've been open for holidays for years and years that is interfering with uninterrupted family gatherings - it's that damn smart phone and these computers that have done that.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Not in a right to work state. You are an at will employee in a right to work state, and there are plenty of other reasons to fire someone who wants to bitch and complain about the work environment.
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Yes, in a right to work state. That does not mean you are "at will" if you want to collectively bargain.
 
lawboy said:
Not for trying to Unionize, ever hear of the National Labor Relations Act?
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They can be fired for any reasons I can find. IOW, they've just lit the fuse on their termination papers. Let's say that their margin of error starts at 9/10, meaning I'm giving them as much latitude as possible and they would have to either murder a coworker or lie to me/steal from the company to be terminated. The second they try to unionize their margin of error drops to 0, they miss a dust bunny during cleanup and their ass is gone. I will do that until the entire offending crew is out of there, if I can't accomplish that, I'll fulfill the last orders and shut it down to write off for a loss and they can start all over again. I would be damned if my employees are going to take over my place.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Yes, in a right to work state. That does not mean you are "at will" if you want to collectively bargain.
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Yes you are, you can be fired for anything else, and people who want to take over their employers business by unionizing should be fired, preferably black listed too.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
If there is another job available. To assume one will be is foolish.
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To assume one wouldnt be would be foolish. Unless you live next door to a coal mine and not a house or store around for miles. . In that case, you should probably ****ing move
 
clownboy said:
You're wrong. That's not some sort of general condition. Many states allow at will employment.
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ALL except Montana are at will, and MT has statutory exceptions.

On another page you were discussing employment references, in Ohio, if an employer or ex gives out a reference with MALICE, they can be sued.
 
LaMidRighter said:
They can be fired for any reasons I can find. IOW, they've just lit the fuse on their termination papers. Let's say that their margin of error starts at 9/10, meaning I'm giving them as much latitude as possible and they would have to either murder a coworker or lie to me/steal from the company to be terminated. The second they try to unionize their margin of error drops to 0, they miss a dust bunny during cleanup and their ass is gone. I will do that until the entire offending crew is out of there, if I can't accomplish that, I'll fulfill the last orders and shut it down to write off for a loss and they can start all over again. I would be damned if my employees are going to take over my place.
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Hey, I got it you like to bully. The reason unions exist.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Who said they were entitled to someone's business for wanting some protections in place?
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Protections from what exactly? Murder? I agree. You dint want to work on thanksgiving? Tough titties.
 
lawboy said:
ALL except Montana are at will, and MT has statutory exceptions.

On another page you were discussing employment references, in Ohio, if an employer or ex gives out a reference with MALICE, they can be sued.
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Not true. Louisiana is an "at will" state as are most states in the U.S. to some degree. Montana is different in that "at will" falls under probationary hire, "good cause" comes into play after six months.

Employment At Will States | At Will Employment States
 
LaMidRighter said:
They can be fired for any reasons I can find.
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Have you ever heard of an employer in a wrongful discharge suit ADMITTING they fired the employee for the illegal reason?


I only know of basically 2, and they were sidestep admittance, because the penalty was not big, as both were Public Policy exceptions cases where the PP had not been recognized yet.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
More bullying.
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Use all the emotional rhetoric you want. Employees DO NOT OWN THE BUSINESS and thus do not dictate the rules. If my employee won't comply to my policies by choice they will not be my employee, if they get blacklisted that's too ****ing bad, they can learn from their mistakes the next time someone takes a chance on them in the distant future and maybe people that can learn a lesson from the smackdown will.
 
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