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Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

As has been shown, that's just not true. If you are hired at will you can be fired at will. In all states. See the links defining At Will employment and the specific states (a handful) that have certain exemptions.

You CAN fire an employee for one call out, or most anything else at right to work states, but you'll be bleeding out the nose in unemployment costs. Most organized, large companies won't allow management to fire unless it's done in a way to avoid unemployment. Hence, my "can't" remark.
 
Tennessee, it's one no call no show, you're gone. They sign it specifically in the hiring paperwork to acknowledge they know it.

There are a couple states like that. Most, though, require at least three, before unemployment is no longer an issue. Many large companies adopt the policies of the most strengent states and apply them across all their stores, regardless of state, in order to ensure compliance.
 
Employment may not be a right, however, employees can have rights.

There are no such things as rights, only protections that can be removed from you by those more powerful than yourself.
 
Employment may not be a right, however, employees can have rights.

They have the right to a federally mandated minimum wage, to work in safe conditions, and other things as described by OSHA, FMLA, FLSA.

They don't have a right to protest without repercussion.
 
They have the right to a federally mandated minimum wage, to work in safe conditions, and other things as described by OSHA, FMLA, FLSA.

They don't have a right to protest without repercussion.

Many US workers have none of those rights.
 
Then they should complain. Their employers would get heavily fined.

Not really. They would get fired for not complying with company policy. You see, on one hand, a company has you sign and date documents stating you know and understand OSHA standards and what have you...and then, on the other hand, they cut payrolls and increase work loads which all but force you to cut corners in order to succeed. It's cut those corners, take those risks, or get less done. One of those two the employer is willing to "not see". The other...not so much. Care to venture a guess which is which? And then, should call OSHA or whoever and complain, we pull up our signed and dated documents, and ask who told them to cut corners. And then term them. I've seen it happen a couple of times now, at more than one job.
 
Not really. They would get fired for not complying with company policy. You see, on one hand, a company has you sign and date documents stating you know and understand OSHA standards and what have you...and then, on the other hand, they cut payrolls and increase work loads which all but force you to cut corners in order to succeed. It's cut those corners, take those risks, or get less done. One of those two the employer is willing to "not see". The other...not so much. Care to venture a guess which is which? And then, should call OSHA or whoever and complain, we pull up our signed and dated documents, and ask who told them to cut corners. And then term them. I've seen it happen a couple of times now, at more than one job.

That's...just wrong. I'd be getting hidden cameras and stuff.
 
I don't agree that it's strikeworthy, but they shouldn't be forced to work Thanksgiving.

Why that day? Does this go for all federal holy days, state holy days and other religious/ethnic holy days too? Can I be "forced" to work on my birthday?
 
You could always go shopping before Thanksgiving Day. Stores are open for weeks ahead of time.

So I have to change my schedule around? **** that, I'd just go to another store and Whole Foods will lose business.
 
Why that day? Does this go for all federal holy days, state holy days and other religious/ethnic holy days too? Can I be "forced" to work on my birthday?

You can be "forced" to work any day you agree to on getting hired.

Days that are on my blackout list, days I CANT request off are...

Labor Day
Memorial Day
Halloween
Thanksgiving
Black Friday
Christmas, actually, the entire months of November and December
New Years
 
So I have to change my schedule around? **** that, I'd just go to another store and Whole Foods will lose business.

And this is why the invisible hand is not self sufficient to safeguard ourselves, why we require regulation and laws applying to production and labor.
 
And this is why the invisible hand is not self sufficient to safeguard ourselves, why we require regulation and laws applying to production and labor.

So you're gonna make it illegal to work on Thanksgiving? Some people WANT to work holidays, they need/want the money.
 
Why that day? Does this go for all federal holy days, state holy days and other religious/ethnic holy days too? Can I be "forced" to work on my birthday?

am i going to have to explain this to every libertarian on the site individually? ok. this is it.

Thanksgiving and Christmas, as you know, are cultural family holidays. as i've said five hundred and forty two thousand times already in this ****ing thread, if somebody wants to spend the damned ****ing day with his or her family, they should be able to. others who want to work should be able to do that.

treating workers like **** leads to unions. corporatists hate unions like ten year olds hate brussel sprouts. want to prevent unions? treat your workers like human ****ing beings. it really doesn't take that much.

ok, i feel better now.
 
am i going to have to explain this to every libertarian on the site individually? ok. this is it.

Thanksgiving and Christmas, as you know, are cultural family holidays. as i've said five hundred and forty two thousand times already in this ****ing thread, if somebody wants to spend the damned ****ing day with his or her family, they should be able to. others who want to work should be able to do that.

treating workers like **** leads to unions. corporatists hate unions like ten year olds hate brussel sprouts. want to prevent unions? treat your workers like human ****ing beings. it really doesn't take that much.

ok, i feel better now.

Nobody is forced to work any day in this country, including those days. If someone doesnt like the policies of a company, they can go down the road to another company.

And all of those policies should be up to the employer. If they want people to work on holidays, they can set that standard. Dont like it? Dont work there?
 
Nobody is forced to work any day in this country, including those days. If someone doesnt like the policies of a company, they can go down the road to another company.

And all of those policies should be up to the employer. If they want people to work on holidays, they can set that standard. Dont like it? Dont work there?

i've already addressed this upthread. i'm done wasting time in libertarian fantasyland; i spent years there myself. have a good one.
 
am i going to have to explain this to every libertarian on the site individually? ok. this is it.

Thanksgiving and Christmas, as you know, are cultural family holidays. as i've said five hundred and forty two thousand times already in this ****ing thread, if somebody wants to spend the damned ****ing day with his or her family, they should be able to. others who want to work should be able to do that.

treating workers like **** leads to unions. corporatists hate unions like ten year olds hate brussel sprouts. want to prevent unions? treat your workers like human ****ing beings. it really doesn't take that much.

ok, i feel better now.

A day is 24 hours, a work shift is usually 8 hours or 1/2 the awake portion of that day. What of the countless non-retail (essential?) employees that work on these two (of ten?) "family" holidays? What of the military personnel that spend months away from family on deployment - to give you the right to make this silly complaint?
 
A day is 24 hours, a work shift is usually 8 hours or 1/2 the awake thanksgivinThat day. What of the countless non-retail (essential?) employees that work on these two (of ten?) "family" holidays? military personnel that spend months away from family on deployment - to give you the right to make this silly complaint?

I've already answered this question. I understand that essential workers might have to work on Thanksgiving. However, you can buy your TV on Friday, or offer a wage high enough to entice workers to want to give up a family Thanksgiving.
 
So you're gonna make it illegal to work on Thanksgiving? Some people WANT to work holidays, they need/want the money.

My statement goes way beyond the discussion at hand. It's not about simply desiring to have X day off or not. Simply put, you, me, your idiot neighbor...we're all part of the invisible hand, and most of us are poor decision makers, from a societal point of view.
 
A day is 24 hours, a work shift is usually 8 hours or 1/2 the awake portion of that day. What of the countless non-retail (essential?) employees that work on these two (of ten?) "family" holidays? What of the military personnel that spend months away from family on deployment - to give you the right to make this silly complaint?

Some people have it ****ty by choice, we should all have it equally ****ty?
 
Do retail workers get sub sized housing and higher edu like certain government employees? Pensions? Mandatory vaca?


Again, one could simply not work in retail, right? But retail is all that's hiring. 1/3 of the workers in this country work retail or food service (just another kind of retail), and climbing.

Wanna prevent the scourge of unionization? Don't treat workers like pee ons.
 
My statement goes way beyond the discussion at hand. It's not about simply desiring to have X day off or not. Simply put, you, me, your idiot neighbor...we're all part of the invisible hand, and most of us are poor decision makers, from a societal point of view.

Are you going to make it illegal to work on Christmas too?

The only alternatives to the invisible hand are pure anarchy or the iron fist of socialism.
 
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