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Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

solletica said:
Wrong. An employee must explicitly resign, or else it's not quitting.



Plenty of unskilled low-wage jobs available. However, employees that choose not to work on specific days should always provide an excuse for not showing up that wouldn't result in inhibiting future employment prospects. In other words, if an employee chooses not to work on Thanksgiving, he/she could just call in sick or claim that his/her baby sister is sick and needs to stay at home.

That way, the employer could not legally fire the employee for that reason*, esp. if a valid doctor's excuse is provided (shouldn't be hard to get one on Thanksgiving, considering how many people have relatives who are doctors). Of course, the employer could still fire the employee for another reason, but still proper documentation is needed under current laws.**

* ** - In a Libertarian society, there are no restrictions on when an employer can terminate an employee--this is what I would prefer. However, the US is not a Libertarian country.
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Wrong. If an employee does not show up, they quit and in my business I make that perfectly clear at the beginning.

When was the last time you were a business owner?
 
Harshaw said:
About what? What you do for Thanksgiving? How would I have any idea?

Or, that what you do is wrong? I couldn't care less what you do. I'm not the one being hyper-judgmental here. You are.

I'd say those who do -- who are many -- don't see it as going to watch a movie "with 150 strangers," they see it as going out and seeing and enjoying a movie with their families. Whether they watch a movie in theater, or watch it at home as you say you do, it's the same thing. But if you're on a trip to aggrandize yourself, I guess you'll find any way to do it.
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Not a trip of any sort. Laughing at folks who need to spend money, be with 150 strangers on a day that is family oriented. However, anything to promote the capitalist destruction of family holidays. :shrug:
 
solletica said:
Wrong. An employee must explicitly resign, or else it's not quitting.



Plenty of unskilled low-wage jobs available. However, employees that choose not to work on specific days should always provide an excuse for not showing up that wouldn't result in inhibiting future employment prospects. In other words, if an employee chooses not to work on Thanksgiving, he/she could just call in sick or claim that his/her baby sister is sick and needs to stay at home.

That way, the employer could not legally fire the employee for that reason*, esp. if a valid doctor's excuse is provided (shouldn't be hard to get one on Thanksgiving, considering how many people have relatives who are doctors). Of course, the employer could still fire the employee for another reason, but still proper documentation is needed under current laws.**

* ** - In a Libertarian society, there are no restrictions on when an employer can terminate an employee--this is what I would prefer. However, the US is not a Libertarian country.
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You are why the US is such a **** hole when it comes to work.

You think it is OK to scam your boss for your own purposes and you could give a **** about the health of the business.

Just collect your welfare check for coming in to work and do the least you can to get by.

You are a real piece of work you are.
 
Hatuey said:
Not a trip of any sort. Laughing at folks who need to spend money, be with 150 strangers on a day that is family oriented. However, anything to promote the capitalist destruction of family holidays. :shrug:
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Of course you're on a judgmental trip, as exemplified further by this post. No one who enjoys going to see a movie on Thanksgiving sees it the way you describe it here. That's you simply writing down your nose at them.

As you responded before my edit, I'll ask again here --

By the way, at 12:26 PM EDT yesterday, when you were making that condescending post to me here, was that part of enjoying and singing songs with your family, and being thankful for what you have, keeping the spirit of the day sacred, unlike the unwashed masses you condemn?
 
I would have loved to work thanksgiving. Time and a hakf, biyotch
 
Hatuey said:
You saying I'm wrong? If you would go watch a movie with 150 strangers on a day that is supposed to be about families being thankful for each other, there is something definitely wrong with your family dynamic. :shrug:
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Some people don't have families or are so far away that they can't get there, so what are those people supposed to do on Thanksgiving?
 
Harshaw said:
No one who enjoys going to see a movie on Thanksgiving sees it the way you describe it here.
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Doesn't mean that's not the way it is. Capitalists like you have diluted Thanksgiving to be about Black Friday, shopping, spending, looking at cellphones. Everything to keep us occupied and ignoring our families.
 
Hatuey said:
Doesn't mean that's not the way it is. Capitalists like you have diluted Thanksgiving to be about Black Friday, shopping, spending, looking at cellphones. Everything to keep us occupied and ignoring our families.
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I never said what I did yesterday. One of the things I did not do was take time away from my family and being together and enjoying each other's presence to come here and have petty and arrogant arguments with strangers. That, as they say, makes one of us.
 
Harshaw said:
I never said what I did yesterday. One of the things I did not do was take time away from my family and being together and enjoying each other's presence to come here and have petty and arrogant arguments with strangers. That, as they say, makes one of us.
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You sure you didn't go to the movies instead and praise the all-mighty dollar?
 
Hatuey said:
Sure. You sure you didn't go to the movies instead and praise the all-mighty dollar?
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Nope. Never left the house other than walk over to the neighbors and have a few drinks. But your assumptions are hilarious, and your arrogance is hysterical, especially considering that your pettiness and anti-spirit yesterday is documented. Pro-tip -- don't get all high and mighty about keeping the spirit sacred, enjoying time only with your family instead of hanging with strangers, when it's beyond doubt that YOU did not.
 
Harshaw said:
Nope. Never left the house other than walk over to the neighbors and have a few drinks. But your assumptions are hilarious, and your arrogance is hysterical, especially considering that your pettiness and anti-spirit yesterday is documented. Pro-tip -- don't get all high and mighty about keeping the spirit sacred, enjoying time only with your family instead of hanging with strangers, when it's beyond doubt that YOU did not.
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How is it beyond doubt? Lol. I must have touched a nerve. Now, I'm more than convinced you probably spent it shopping for the latest deals or enjoying a movie ignoring the family.
 
clownboy said:
Yeah, Whole Foods is the man. You should bone up on your friends and enemies to the cause list. :lamo
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I think the litmus test for "the struggle" is really just this: Do they make a profit? If Yes then they are the enemy.
 
Hatuey said:
How is it beyond doubt?
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You posted here, contentiously, several times over the period of several hours yesterday. What happened to all that fellowship you were enjoying exclusively with your family, laughing, singing songs, being thankful, forsaking strangers?

Lol. I must have touched a nerve.
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"U mad bro?" is so 2010.


Now, I'm more than convinced you probably spent it shopping for the latest deals or enjoying a movie ignoring the family.
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If you can prove that, by all means, do so. In the meantime, here's what you were doing yesterday:

Hatuey said:
Religion and tradition does not trump legality. Even in the Vatican.

Institute for the Works of Religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



It seems only the surplus the bank makes is at the disposal of the Vatican.
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Hatuey said:
UN women's rights resolution passed despite backlash




I can't help but think that this is where extremist left wing multiculturalism has led us. I'm all for understanding and supporting cultural values, morals & traditions or customs as long as what the add to the melting pot is positive or has no negative effect. However, since when is violence against women a tradition, a value or custom? The UN is a dirty ****ing joke. These concessions go against their very own charter. Hang them all.
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Hatuey said:
When I said extremist left wing multiculturalism, I meant more more in regards to the concessions made by these very left wing nations.
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Hatuey said:
COUNTRY TERM EXPIRES ON

Angola 2013
Argentina 2015
Austria 2014
Benin 2014
Botswana 2014
Brazil 2015
Burkina Faso 2014
Chile 2014
Congo 2014
Costa Rica 2014
Côte d'Ivoire 2015
Czech Republic 2014
Ecuador 2013
Estonia 2015
Ethiopia 2015
Gabon 2015
Germany 2015
Guatemala 2013
India 2014
Indonesia 2014
Ireland 2015
Italy 2014
Japan 2015
Kazakhstan 2015
Kenya 2015
Kuwait 2014
Libya * 2013
Malaysia 2013
Maldives 2013
Mauritania 2013
Montenegro 2015
Pakistan 2015
Peru 2014
Philippines 2014
Poland 2013
Qatar 2013
Republic of Korea 2015
Republic of Moldova 2013
Romania 2014
Sierra Leone 2015
Spain 2013
Switzerland 2013
Thailand 2013
Uganda 2013
United Arab Emirates 2015
United States of America 2015
Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) 2015

It's like a who's who of human rights violations.
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Hatuey said:
Nope. We watch any of the hundreds of movies we have. We eat. We laugh. We sing songs. We basically spend time with each other. Tough concept to grasp for the majority of people today.
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Hatuey said:
Your Libertarian crystal ball about what is and isn't implied doesn't change much about your strawman. Either show evidence or run along with it. :shrug:
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Think of all the family time you gave up for that. 'Coz after all, you'd never forsake family for strangers on such a day of thankfulness . . . or so you tried to say.
 
Harshaw said:
You posted here, contentiously, several times over the period of several hours yesterday. What happened to all that fellowship you were enjoying exclusively with your family, laughing, singing songs, being thankful, forsaking strangers?

"U mad bro?" is so 2010.

If you can prove that, by all means, do so. In the meantime, here's what you were doing yesterday:

Think of all the family time you gave up for that. 'Coz after all, you'd never forsake family for strangers on such a day of thankfulness . . . or so you tried to say.
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Ah, Harshaw being dishonest, what a surprise:

First post on DP: Yesterday, 12:02 PM
Last post on DP: Yesterday, 02:22 PM

So I posted 6 times exactly a 2 hour time span (1.25 posts every half hour) made while I cooked and that discredits claims about spending time with my family? Talk about a stretch. Harshaw, you went through my posting history and forgot to include the time the posts were made? How unlikely for you to be dishonest. ;) Now tell me, how were The Hunger Games?
 
Hatuey said:
Ah, Harshaw being dishonest, what a surprise:

First post on DP: Yesterday, 12:02 PM
Last post on DP: Yesterday, 02:22 PM
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I'm dishonest? Where'd you get that from? I didn't log in at all yesterday. If you can find posts from me yesterday, quote them.

I mean, it doesn't take much to figure out that whatever you're looking at, if indeed you're looking at anything at all, is pretty screwy if it says my "first post on DP" was yesterday (I made over 20,000 posts in one day, after being here silent for 8 years? I thought you were smart, or something), and that my "last post on DP" was at 2:22 PM yesterday when I've already made several TODAY.

Did you think about this before posting, at all, in the slightest?


So I posted 6 times exactly a 2 hour time span (1.25 posts every half hour) and that discredits claims about spending time with my family? Talk about a stretch.
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Backpedal on your haughty pronouncements of how sacred you find your family time on Thanksgiving if you like, but for those hours you were posting here, looking up data, everything you were doing, you weren't spending it with family.


Harshaw, you went through my posting history and forgot to include the time the posts were made? How unlikely for you to be dishonest. ;)
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That's weaaaaak sauce. It's not like clicking back in the quotes won't reveal the times the posts were made. They were all between 11 am and 2 pm Eastern. :shrug:


Now tell me, did you cop a lot of sweaters yesterday?
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As I said, if you can prove I left the house yesterday other than going to the neighbor's, you feel free to do so. I'm not making anything up about you. It's not my fault you didn't live up to your own judgments of others.
 
Harshaw said:
I'm dishonest? Where'd you get that from?
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The fact that you're trying to show 6 posts over a 2 hour span as proof that I didn't spend time with my family. ;) Now follow me closely. You showed 6 posts, first one made at 12, the last at 2:20 as proof that I didn't spend time with my family. That's dishonest. ;)

As I said, if you can prove I left the house yesterday other than going to the neighbor's, you feel free to do so. I'm not making anything up about you. It's not my fault you didn't live up to your own judgments of others.
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Did Izods have a sale yesterday?
 
Hatuey said:
The fact that you're trying to show 6 posts over a 2 hour span as proof that I didn't spend time with my family. ;) Now follow me closely. You showed 6 posts, first one made at 12, the last at 2:20 as proof that I didn't spend time with my family. That's dishonest. ;)
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No, it's you spending time with strangers for a couple of hours, instead of with family. According to you, that's bad.

And as for "dishonesty," where did you get those "first post" and "last post" times for me? Hmmmmm? I note you couldn't find any actual posts I made yesterday, as I didn't make any.


Did Izods have a sale yesterday?
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:shrug: Wouldn't know. I didn't stop spending time any with family and friends yesterday. I guarantee you these sad attempts at trolling are coming off as pretty pathetic to whomever is following this, if indeed anyone is.
 
Harshaw said:
No, it's you spending time with strangers for a couple of hours, instead of with family.
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Nonsense as I didn't even leave the house. Unlike you. :shrug: Quit trying to be dishonest. It's making you look silly.

:shrug: Wouldn't know. I didn't stop spending time any with family and friends yesterday. I guarantee you these sad attempts at trolling are coming off as pretty pathetic to whomever is following this, if indeed anyone is.
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You seem to have taken it personally for somebody who left the house for the movies. Which movie did you go watch?
 
Gipper said:
Don't wanna work holidays? Don't work retail or service.

F'n wage-scrubs.
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Hmmm...I wonder if we could substitute other terms into this general framework. Let's go back to the early 20th century, when someone might have said "don't wanna work for 10 cents a day and die by the time you're 30? Don't work in textile mills...F'n wage-scrubs." Obviously not the same in terms of moral weight, but the principle is the same. Labor should be able to organize and strike if they don't like a deal. If employers can't find people to work under those conditions, they have to concede the point. That's an integral part of how market economics works. I really thought conservatives support market economics...
 
Hatuey said:
Nonsense as I didn't even leave the house. :shrug: Quit trying to be dishonest. It's making you look silly.
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No, you ignored your family, in favor of arguing with strangers, while they were there with you. That's worse than leaving the house WITH your family, by your own measure.


You seem to have taken it personally. Which movie did you go watch?
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Why would I take anything a self-acknowledged troll who enjoys attempting to get rises out of people says "personally"? I know what I did yesterday; you don't. You're flailing, and you're losing. That's all that's going on here.

Tell you what -- you come up with the best zinger you can in response to this -- make it a truly volcanic burn -- and I'll just let it go unacknowledged so you can tell everyone I had no response to it. You have a great day.
 
ashurbanipal said:
Hmmm...I wonder if we could substitute other terms into this general framework. Let's go back to the early 20th century, when someone might have said "don't wanna work for 10 cents a day and die by the time you're 30? Don't work in textile mills...F'n wage-scrubs." Obviously not the same in terms of moral weight, but the principle is the same. Labor should be able to organize and strike if they don't like a deal. If employers can't find people to work under those conditions, they have to concede the point. That's an integral part of how market economics works. I really thought conservatives support market economics...
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Nice try. They can refuse to work if they want. They can also be fired.

Also there's a difference between not working for wages you cannot live on, and this.

That seems to be the ultra-liberal mantra - "they can do this and do that". Yes they can. And they can also be fired.
 
Harshaw said:
No, you ignored your family while they were there with you.
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You're still trying to avoid your dishonesty. This is the 3rd post you do this. It seems to be a pattern.

Why would I take anything a self-acknowledged troll who enjoys attempting to get rises out of people says "personally"?
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4th post where you ad-hom because you can't seem to accept that going on a shopping spree and spending money is not family time. How was the movie? ;)
 
Gipper said:
Nice try. They can refuse to work if they want. They can also be fired.

Also there's a difference between not working for wages you cannot live on, and this.

That seems to be the ultra-liberal mantra - "they can do this and do that". Yes they can. And they can also be fired.
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I don't dispute that. What I take issue with is your assertion that they should be fired. If you actually do support market economics, there is no prior should about it. If they get fired, and WF finds others to fill their slots, then that's what should happen. But if enough workers do this and employers cannot hire anyone who won't, then that's what should happen, from the perspective of someone who actually does support market economics. What I think your posts actually show is that you support some kind of economic authoritarianism. I suspect that this is more common among some conservatives than their public image would allow. It goes along with the motive behind conservatism to some extent; economic authoritarianism is a veritable tradition in Western culture that was only recently challenged.
 
ashurbanipal said:
I don't dispute that. What I take issue with is your assertion that they should be fired. If you actually do support market economics, there is no prior should about it. If they get fired, and WF finds others to fill their slots, then that's what should happen. But if enough workers do this and employers cannot hire anyone who won't, then that's what should happen, from the perspective of someone who actually does support market economics. What I think your posts actually show is that you support some kind of economic authoritarianism.
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No, my post shows that there is infinite demand for low-wage, unskilled, uneducated jobs. These guys quit and get fired, and they're replaced before the sun sets.

You don't bluff the chip leader of the table when you're holding crappy hole cards. You're one call away from losing it all.
 
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