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House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projects

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The House is likely to vote on a number of GOP bills this week related to the oil and gas industry, arguably the most sweeping of which is the Federal Lands Jobs and Energy Security Act.The bill, introduced by Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-CO), is broad legislation designed to make it much easier for oil and gas companies to obtain permission to drill on public lands. If signed into law, the legislation would automatically approve onshore drilling permits if the U.S. Department of Interior (DOI) failed to act on them in 60 days.
If an individual does not like a proposed drilling project and wanted to oppose it, he or she would have to pay a $5,000 fee to file an official protest.


“This bill is not simply anachronistic; it is dangerous,” a group of Democratic Representatives said in their dissent of the bill. “It would harm the environment, short-circuit critical reviews, and establish barriers to people wishing to challenge decisions on oil and gas development in their backyards.”
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Read more @: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projects | ThinkProgress

Wow... :shock: What a terrible bill. Not only does it put major barriers in place for us to practice our free speech, but it also destroys the environment, and make it a lot easier for energy companies to get access to once government protect land. Awful bill.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projects | ThinkProgress

Wow... :shock: What a terrible bill. Not only does it put major barriers in place for us to practice our free speech, but it also destroys the environment, and make it a lot easier for energy companies to get access to once government protect land. Awful bill.
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What was the fee before? At first I was outraged. But it rather makes sense that there would be some cost to officially delaying a drilling project. I don't see it as a major barrier of free speech. It certainly costs money to file a lawsuit; same idea. A person/group can still express their opinions all they want...in press releases/conferences...the media. They just can't "officially delay" a project without incurring some costs. More I think about it, the more sense it makes.
 
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MaggieD said:
What was the fee before? At first I was outraged. But it rather makes sense that there would be some cost to officially delaying a drilling project. I don't see it as a major barrier of free speech. It certainly costs money to file a lawsuit; same idea. A person/group can still express their opinions all they want...in press releases/conferences...the media. They just can't "officially delay" a project without incurring some costs. More I think about it, the more sense it makes.
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By harboring someones ability to and putting a dollar sign in front of someone to have the change to actively challenge something that is ridiculous. No only is that undemocratic, its plutocratic.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
By harboring someones ability to and putting a dollar sign in front of someone to have the change to actively challenge something that is ridiculous. No only is that undemocratic, its plutocratic.
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That a little old lady from Pasedena could file a formal complaint against a drilling permit being applied for in Anchorage, Alaska that would delay such permit is ridiculous.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projects | ThinkProgress

Wow... :shock: What a terrible bill. Not only does it put major barriers in place for us to practice our free speech, but it also destroys the environment, and make it a lot easier for energy companies to get access to once government protect land. Awful bill.
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If the gov't can rent your 2A rights back to you, via CCW permits, then why not your 1A rights as well? It is simply a "reasonable restriction" to entertain the econuts that protest everything, sort of like a parade permit. ;)
 
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Protesting should be free.


Interfering with, delaying or getting in the way of an ongoing business operation should be subject to arrest for public disorderly conduct.
 
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Goshin said:
Protesting should be free.


Interfering with, delaying or getting in the way of an ongoing business operation should be subject to arrest for public disorderly conduct.
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And 99% of the time they do get arrested.
 
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MaggieD said:
That a little old lady from Pasedena could file a formal complaint against a drilling permit being applied for in Anchorage, Alaska that would delay such permit is ridiculous.
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Serious question:

Why is that ridiculous?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
If the gov't can rent your 2A rights back to you, via CCW permits, then why not your 1A rights as well? It is simply a "reasonable restriction" to entertain the econuts that protest everything, sort of like a parade permit. ;)
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Because when insane people protest, they make funny signs. When insane people carry weapons, they murder someone.

:D

Although insane protests sometimes involve fire...
 
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Deuce said:
Serious question:

Why is that ridiculous?
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Because I don't like little old ladies.

Dear President Obama:

It has come to my attention that you are considering signing a treaty with Afghanistan that will keep our troops there for an extended period of time. I don't like that at all. It's not in our best interests.

Signed: Little Old Lady From Pasadena
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^^You think it makes sense that that particular letter would halt the process and cause a formal inquiry? I don't.
 
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MaggieD said:
What was the fee before? At first I was outraged. But it rather makes sense that there would be some cost to officially delaying a drilling project. I don't see it as a major barrier of free speech. It certainly costs money to file a lawsuit; same idea. A person/group can still express their opinions all they want...in press releases/conferences...the media. They just can't "officially delay" a project without incurring some costs. More I think about it, the more sense it makes.
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... What about a $5,000 per gun tax to for gun manufacturers? Would you see that as a major barrier to purchasing guns?
 
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All of you misunderstand what's going on here.

It's not a fee to "protest," as in to carry a sign and shout, or speak out a rally against it. This isn't a parade permit.

It's a fee to file an official protest against granting the drilling permit, as part of the permit process.

It's not a "free speech" issue like you're making it out to be. It may be an excessive fee.
 
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Hatuey said:
... What about a $5,000 per gun tax to for gun manufacturers? Would you see that as a major barrier to purchasing guns?
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Bad analogy. In fact, terrible analogy.
 
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Harshaw said:
All of you misunderstand what's going on here.

It's not a fee to "protest," as in to carry a sign and shout, or speak out a rally against it. This isn't a parade permit.

It's a fee to file an official protest against granting the drilling permit, as part of the permit process.

It's not a "free speech" issue like you're making it out to be. It may be an excessive fee.
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I agree with you. We're addressing something that's not likely to happen, though. The President has vowed to veto it should it pass both houses. House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projects | ThinkProgress (Update at bottom of article.)
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projects | ThinkProgress

Wow... :shock: What a terrible bill. Not only does it put major barriers in place for us to practice our free speech, but it also destroys the environment, and make it a lot easier for energy companies to get access to once government protect land. Awful bill.
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Funny. The WikiPedia entry is nothing like what you are describing.
The Federal Lands Jobs and Energy Security Act (H.R. 1965) is a bill that would require the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) to establish certain fees for activities related to the development of oil and gas on federal lands.[SUP][1][/SUP] A portion of those amounts along with a portion of fees from renewable energy projects on federal lands would be available to the agency, subject to appropriation, to cover the costs of activities aimed at increasing energy development on federal lands. The bill also would exempt lawsuits related to energy production on federal lands from the Equal Access to Justice Act (EAJA). In addition, the legislation would require the BLM to offer for sale at least 25 percent of onshore federal lands nominated by firms for oil and gas leasing.[SUP][1][/SUP] It was introduced in the United States House of Representatives during the 113th United States Congress. President Barack Obama threatened to veto the bill on November 19, 2013.[SUP][2]

[/SUP][h=2]Provisions of the bill[/h] The goal of the bill is to make "it easier for oil and gas companies to obtain drilling permits on federal lands."[SUP][3][/SUP] If this bill were to take effect, the United States Department of the Interior would then be forced to reject or approve onshore drilling permits within 60 days of the permit applications being submitted. If the Department fails to issue a ruling in that time window, the permit is automatically approved.[SUP][3][/SUP]
The bill would also make it more difficult for people to fight against drilling.[SUP][3][/SUP] The bill would create a "$5,000 dollar fee to lodge a formal protest of leases or drilling permits awarded to oil and gas producers."[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP]
The bill would also establish a minimum amount of federal land that must be offered for oil-and-gas leases.[SUP][4][/SUP]
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Federal Lands Jobs and Energy Security Act (H.R. 1965; 113th Congress) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you sure that this ThinkProgress web site isn't a satire site?
 
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eohrnberger said:
Funny. The WikiPedia entry is nothing like what you are describing.

Federal Lands Jobs and Energy Security Act (H.R. 1965; 113th Congress) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you sure that this ThinkProgress web site isn't a satire site?
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Things would be so much easier if it was satire but, unfortunately, it's simply a mirror for what the progressive left wants for America.
 
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Lutherf said:
Things would be so much easier if it was satire but, unfortunately, it's simply a mirror for what the progressive left wants for America.
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Oh, well that makes it a propaganda site then. One that's funded by that far left extremist Soros, if I'm not mistaken.

Really need to stay away from those far left propaganda web sites. They are really no good for your sense of reality.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Funny. The WikiPedia entry is nothing like what you are describing.

Federal Lands Jobs and Energy Security Act (H.R. 1965; 113th Congress) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you sure that this ThinkProgress web site isn't a satire site?
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Here is the exact quote from the billl whic was linked in the ThinkProgress site: "(4) Protest Fee-
"(A) In General- The Secretary shall collect a $5,000 documentation fee to accompany each protest for a lease, right of way, or application for permit to drill."
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-113hrpt262/pdf/CRPT-113hrpt262-pt1.pdf
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Here is the exact quote from the billl whic was linked in the ThinkProgress site: "(4) Protest Fee-
"(A) In General- The Secretary shall collect a $5,000 documentation fee to accompany each protest for a lease, right of way, or application for permit to drill."
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-113hrpt262/pdf/CRPT-113hrpt262-pt1.pdf
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You don't think that is a fee that the drilling companies have to pay should they want to appeal the decision that denied them a permit?

I think you're miss-reading that part of the bill. I don't think it has anything to do with ecomentalists protesting a site or permitting.
 
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eohrnberger said:
You don't think that is a fee that the drilling companies have to pay should they want to appeal the decision that denied them a permit?

I think you're miss-reading that part of the bill. I don't think it has anything to do with ecomentalists protesting a site or permitting.
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The bill is pretty black and white bud.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projects | ThinkProgress

Wow... :shock: What a terrible bill. Not only does it put major barriers in place for us to practice our free speech, but it also destroys the environment, and make it a lot easier for energy companies to get access to once government protect land. Awful bill.
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Constitution says you have the right to speak, doesn't protect you from the 5000 dollar fine you get afterwards.

Also its kind of sad they have officially made it so that 99% of america can't do crap if the government wants to oppose. welcome ladys and gentalment to one of the hundreds of strikes that will cause revolution.
 
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JJB3333 said:
Constitution says you have the right to speak, doesn't protect you from the 5000 dollar fine you get afterwards.
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If you wanna protest you have to pay $5,000. That is a limitation and infringement on the right to protest/free speech. Its literally saying you have to pay some $$$ to exercise a right.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
The bill is pretty black and white bud.
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You are correct. The bill is black text on white paper or background. Other than that, not so much.

The other point that you are trying to make, that the bill enforces a $5K fee for protest, is how I was interpreting it. Here is the detailed text from the bill:
Protest Fees. Title I also would require any entity that files a protest (a formal objection to a BLM decision) against a lease, right of way, or APD, to pay a $5,000 fee. A protest may result in BLM reversing or delaying a decision. Under current law, any entity can file a protest without paying a fee. Based on information provided by BLM regarding the number of protests filed in each of the past five years, CBO expects that, under current law, about 1,200 protests would be filed each year. We expect that the fee required under the bill would deter about half of those protests. Thus, CBO estimates that enacting this provision would increase offsetting receipts by $3 million a year over the 2014–2023 period.
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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-113hrpt262/pdf/CRPT-113hrpt262-pt1.pdf

Page 19: "A formal decision against a lease". That certainly sounds like a firm applied for a lease, was denied, and wants to appeal the BLMs decision.

No, I don't believe that this has any intent in prohibiting any public protests against BLM decision, nor any protests at sites where the BLM has permitted drilling. In spite of your preconceived bias and prejudgement of Republicans, I don't think that Republicans are going to do anything against free speech. Oh come on!

Like I was saying. You need to stay away from the left wing extremest web sites. They'll distort your view on reality.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
If you wanna protest you have to pay $5,000. That is a limitation and infringement on the right to protest/free speech. Its literally saying you have to pay some $$$ to exercise a right.
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Not at all. you can complain, but complaining officially against the actions of the government costs you. Just like talking treason. You can say it, but if you get caught saying it, they can take you to jail.
 
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JJB3333 said:
Not at all. you can complain, but complaining officially against the actions of the government costs you. Just like talking treason. You can say it, but if you get caught saying it, they can take you to jail.
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So if i wanna stand on the side of a road with a sign or a banner thats now considered "treason" and is going to "cost me"? Seriously!?
 
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