• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projects

Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

TheDemSocialist said:
So if i wanna stand on the side of a road with a sign or a banner thats now considered "treason" and is going to "cost me"? Seriously!?
Click to expand...

Ya basically. They might not be able to hold you indefinitely if they cant find proof to back it up, but ya they can take you to jail just for threatening treason.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

JJB3333 said:
Ya basically. They might not be able to hold you indefinitely if they cant find proof to back it up, but ya they can take you to jail just for threatening treason.
Click to expand...

Speaking out policies you disagree with is not "treason" its imperative to democracy. Saying that is like just cuz the Republicans dont like the ACA they should be "jailed for treason".
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

TheDemSocialist said:
Speaking out policies you disagree with is not "treason" its imperative to democracy. Saying that is like just cuz the Republicans dont like the ACA they should be "jailed for treason".
Click to expand...

Ah but you just found the fine line about what counts as treason punishable by jail time, and what treason can be picked apart to find loop holes in. The republicans can argue it is their jobs, granted to them by the american people, to argue laws that they see as laws that will harm the common man.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

JJB3333 said:
Ah but you just found the fine line about what counts as treason punishable by jail time, and what treason can be picked apart to find loop holes in. The republicans can argue it is their jobs, granted to them by the american people, to argue laws that they see as laws that will harm the common man.
Click to expand...

And i can say we are guranteed the right of freedom of speech via the 1st amendment.
Saying you want to overthrow the gov=treason
Saying that you dont like x, y or z policy=political discourse.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

MaggieD said:
Bad analogy. In fact, terrible analogy.
Click to expand...

Well, you didn't give me much to work with. A $5,000 tax on protesting. Sounds like a tax on exercising the 1st amendment.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

TheDemSocialist said:
And i can say we are guaranteed the right of freedom of speech via the 1st amendment.
Saying you want to overthrow the gov=treason
Saying that you don't like x, y or z policy=political discourse.
Click to expand...

Bingo. And that political discourse says you can complain that you have the right, but it also says that if the law passes, this is law so you have to pay the 5 grand. Don't like it, complain, still have to pay the 5 grand. If you think it is unjust, you can take it before the supream court, maybe after a few months actually get before the court, maybe get the law voided,maybe get your 5 grand back, but that is alot of maybes.
And who knows if you start talking about over throwing the government, you still have to pay the 5 grand, and you get jailed

But hey, you spoke, no one is refusing you that right, not completely. Just making 5000 reasons why you shouldn't.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

TheDemSocialist said:
If you wanna protest you have to pay $5,000. That is a limitation and infringement on the right to protest/free speech. Its literally saying you have to pay some $$$ to exercise a right.
Click to expand...

Do you feel the same about gun licensing?
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

I agree that this is an infringement. The people have the right to protest whatever they want
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

JJB3333 said:
Bingo. And that political discourse says you can complain that you have the right, but it also says that if the law passes, this is law so you have to pay the 5 grand.
Click to expand...
It hasnt passed. Were debating that if it does or does not violate the first amendment.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

TheDemSocialist said:
And i can say we are guranteed the right of freedom of speech via the 1st amendment.
Saying you want to overthrow the gov=treason
Saying that you dont like x, y or z policy=political discourse.
Click to expand...

The founders were treasonous then .....
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

Phil_Osophy said:
Do you feel the same about gun licensing?
Click to expand...

What do you mean. Gonna have to be more specific.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

TheDemSocialist said:
What do you mean. Gonna have to be more specific.
Click to expand...

Is it an infringement on the second to make people pay money to exercise the right to bear arms?
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

Phil_Osophy said:
Is it an infringement on the second to make people pay money to exercise the right to bear arms?
Click to expand...

To pay for a license?
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

Phil_Osophy said:
Is it an infringement on the second to make people pay money to exercise the right to bear arms?
Click to expand...

Bingo, another example. We have the right to bear arms, you just might get arrested if anyone feels it is a threat, and all for exercising your constitutional right.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

TheDemSocialist said:
To pay for a license?
Click to expand...

To pay to exercise a right. In some states you cant carry (bear) guns (arms) without a license, which costs money. Isnt that charging people to exercise a right?
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

TheDemSocialist said:
To pay for a license?
Click to expand...

Right if it's a violation of your right to require a liscence to practice free speech it also should be a violation to require it to practice of your rights to arming yourself.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

Phil_Osophy said:
To pay to exercise a right. In some states you cant carry (bear) guns (arms) without a license, which costs money. Isnt that charging people to exercise a right?
Click to expand...

I do not know the constitutionality cases of permits.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

TheDemSocialist said:
I do not know the constitutionality cases of permits.
Click to expand...

Well, whats YOUR opinion on the issue?

I think youd have to agree that its an infringement to be consistent.

I say both are infringements.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

Phil_Osophy said:
Well, whats YOUR opinion on the issue?

I think youd have to agree that its an infringement to be consistent.

I say both are infringements.
Click to expand...

I would see how both are infringements and the argument for that but then again if we want mental health checks and dont want crazy people getting weapons then there has to be some sort of safety checks.
Kinda like how you cant yell "fire!" in a crowded room.
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

TheDemSocialist said:
I would see how both are infringements and the argument for that but then again if we want mental health checks and dont want crazy people getting weapons then there has to be some sort of safety checks.
Kinda like how you cant yell "fire!" in a crowded room.
Click to expand...

Yeah but before you go into a crowded room does somebody come up to you and say "hey! Are you going to yell fire? You better not!"?
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

Phil_Osophy said:
Yeah but before you go into a crowded room does somebody come up to you and say "hey! Are you going to yell fire? You better not!"?
Click to expand...

No, they do not. But then again how are we gonna stop crazy, mentally impaired, people from gaining firearm possession?
 
Re: House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projec

TheDemSocialist said:
No, they do not. But then again how are we gonna stop crazy, mentally impaired, people from gaining firearm possession?
Click to expand...

You cant. Even if we took the measure of mental health checks, people could always just go crazy without warning. Human mentality and emotions are unpredictable. The most we can do is shoot back when they snap.....

But i feel we are going off topic. Lets not derail this thread.

I agree with you that this is an infringement on the first amendment.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom