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Vancouver Bans Doorknobs...

apdst said:
Where does it end, though?
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That is no counter to this discussion, it never ends anymore than the wailing when regulations were passed because of acid rain, child labor, lead content in crap....

Most of what you lamented is your local government regulating you and what you can do... you know, the one CONs love until they hate it... :lol:

Light bulbs and pumping gas isn't infringing a damn thing.

and commenting 'guys like us made America' are as silly as whining over someone pumping your gas.... :roll:
 
notquiteright said:
That is no counter to this discussion, it never ends anymore than the wailing when regulations were passed because of acid rain, child labor, lead content in crap....

Most of what you lamented is your local government regulating you and what you can do... you know, the one CONs love until they hate it... :lol:

Light bulbs and pumping gas isn't infringing a damn thing.

and commenting 'guys like us made America' are as silly as whining over someone pumping your gas.... :roll:
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Where do YOU draw the line?
 
apdst said:
I'da ended up in jail if someone ****ed over my 7-n-7.
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I felt the same way. A good long island has five shots of liquor in it. They told me they had a prepared mix with 1.5 ounces. I offered to pay for a double but was told they could not do it. One place did that for me and you would not have known it despite the premium price. I stuck with wine for most of the trip. At the end we got back to the good old USofA in Maine and I got an extra thrill sitting at the bar watching that bartender pour those five shots into the tall glass and then adding a kiss of coke to the mix. God Bless the USA.
 
haymarket said:
I felt the same way. A good long island has five shots of liquor in it. They told me they had a prepared mix with 1.5 ounces. I offered to pay for a double but was told they could not do it. One place did that for me and you would not have known it despite the premium price. I stuck with wine for most of the trip. At the end we got back to the good old USofA in Maine and I got an extra thrill sitting at the bar watching that bartender pour those five shots into the tall glass and then adding a kiss of coke to the mix. God Bless the USA.
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You couldn't buy a double?!?
 
apdst said:
You couldn't buy a double?!?
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One place told me that there was already the maximum amount of booze in the long island prepared mix in one drink. They actually pour it from a bottle that says LONG ISLAND TEA on it instead of pouring each shot individually the way they do here. A different place told me that they could do a double - although they said this like it was suppose to be a secret - and to tell the truth - I tasted no difference.

One other thing - we go to Stratford Ontario every year for a few plays and I noticed that they have to use some special stuff in place of fertilizer for the grass. And that is also by law. Now it could be that they want to avoid water contamination with fertilizer run off - so there might be a societal reason for that. But drinks and getting your burgers the way you want em - well, that hurts nobody but the consumer who ingests it.
 
Carjosse said:
No really they did in their new building code. The is apparently suppose to make new construction more accessible to handicapped people. It does only apply to new construction, old homes may keep their doorknobs.

From this CBC offbeat article.

I honestly don't know what to think about this.
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It's an idea whose time has come!
 
haymarket said:
One place told me that there was already the maximum amount of booze in the long island prepared mix in one drink. They actually pour it from a bottle that says LONG ISLAND TEA on it instead of pouring each shot individually the way they do here. A different place told me that they could do a double - although they said this like it was suppose to be a secret - and to tell the truth - I tasted no difference.

One other thing - we go to Stratford Ontario every year for a few plays and I noticed that they have to use some special stuff in place of fertilizer for the grass. And that is also by law. Now it could be that they want to avoid water contamination with fertilizer run off - so there might be a societal reason for that. But drinks and getting your burgers the way you want em - well, that hurts nobody but the consumer who ingests it.
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Well our liquor laws are weird because they were probably created in the 20s or 30s and no one ever bothered to repeal them. For example you can't transport alcohol across provincial borders, it is really old and no one knows why it exists but it was never repealed. Most municipalities restrict the use of fertilizers and weed killers for environmental pollution reasons.
 
Carjosse said:
Well our liquor laws are weird because they were probably created in the 20s or 30s and no one ever bothered to repeal them. For example you can't transport alcohol across provincial borders, it is really old and no one knows why it exists but it was never repealed. Most municipalities restrict the use of fertilizers and weed killers for environmental pollution reasons.
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The fertilizers I can see the point in that because of runoff and water contamination. The liquor and hamburger restrictions - it reeks of what my friends on the right call nanny state government and needs to be deep sixed. If I want my burger medium rare and a legit long island who am I hurting by it?
 
haymarket said:
The fertilizers I can see the point in that because of runoff and water contamination. The liquor and hamburger restrictions - it reeks of what my friends on the right call nanny state government and needs to be deep sixed. If I want my burger medium rare and a legit long island who am I hurting by it?
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Like I said they are are very old laws no one ever bothered to repeal. The hamburger restrictions in a restaurant I understand as you know, food poisoning and transmission of disease which are not good for anyone.
 
Carjosse said:
Like I said they are are very old laws no one ever bothered to repeal. The hamburger restrictions in a restaurant I understand as you know, food poisoning and transmission of disease which are not good for anyone.
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The old wives tales about food poisoning of meat not cooked well done go back to the Depression days of the Thirties when people bought cheap meat and refrigeration was bad. There is no such risk today if you take proper precautions and know what you are doing - which a professional chef should well know.

http://homefoodsafety.org/cook/rare-meat

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/8675.php
 
haymarket said:
The fertilizers I can see the point in that because of runoff and water contamination. The liquor and hamburger restrictions - it reeks of what my friends on the right call nanny state government and needs to be deep sixed. If I want my burger medium rare and a legit long island who am I hurting by it?
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Your health has become art of the nanny state. Therefore if the government feels it is dangerous for you to have hamburger that is not completely cooked they will, for the good of the government liabilities responsibilities, outlaw it. Once you allow the government to take charge of your health there are inevitably huge consequences which follow, and you've just experienced one of them.

If it's any consolation these restrictions become normal after a while, as though the option of how you wanted your hamburger cooked was never really there. Newer generations will never know the difference; that silly idea of ordering a hamburger just the way you want it.
 
haymarket said:
The old wives tales about food poisoning of meat not cooked well done go back to the Depression days of the Thirties when people bought cheap meat and refrigeration was bad. There is no such risk today.
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Try telling that to the bureaucracy.
 
haymarket said:
The old wives tales about food poisoning of meat not cooked well done go back to the Depression days of the Thirties when people bought cheap meat and refrigeration was bad. There is no such risk today if you take proper precautions and know what you are doing - which a professional chef should well know.

Can Rare Meat Be Safe? - Home Food Safety

Eating rare steaks does not increase chances of food poisoning - Medical News Today
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Contaminated Beef Recalled After Deaths : Shots - Health News : NPR

The "proper precaution" is cooking ground beef until it's well done.
 
apdst said:
Where do YOU draw the line?
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Typical CON dodge. avoid every question I asked and just stick to the script. :roll:

In regards to light bulbs and getting my gas pumped- not even close to any line.

marriage, peeping into my emails, interfering with a legal procedure between a doctor and his patient- the CONs have already crossed those lines so there is a real and present need to push back, not draw anything. :doh

Doorknobs which set you off this go-round... first I am planning on having lever doors on my new house, second the regulation is in CANADA, in ONE city, and for NEW builds.... pretty much leaves your umbrage takin' ass out of it don't you think? ;)

When someone tries to claim 'his kind' made America great.... every damn time....

That answer enough for you???? :peace
 
notquiteright said:
Typical CON dodge. avoid every question I asked and just stick to the script. :roll:

In regards to light bulbs and getting my gas pumped- not even close to any line.

marriage, peeping into my emails, interfering with a legal procedure between a doctor and his patient- the CONs have already crossed those lines so there is a real and present need to push back, not draw anything. :doh

Doorknobs which set you off this go-round... first I am planning on having lever doors on my new house, second the regulation is in CANADA, in ONE city, and for NEW builds.... pretty much leaves your umbrage takin' ass out of it don't you think? ;)

When someone tries to claim 'his kind' made America great.... every damn time....

That answer enough for you???? :peace
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Dear leader has already screwed up the privacy between you and your doctor. The government is interferinging marriage.

Therein lies the difference between you and those of us who made America great. We want freedom for all, not just ourselves. We don't have to necessarilky agree with something to think the government should keep their hands off our rights. Once a government starts taking, it's damn hard to get it to stop. That's what Canada is dealing with.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Lucky you. Great idea, lets abolish all building codes and let builders wing it.
Should your thinking apply to business owners? theaters and factories? I mean what business is it of the Government to tell a private business owner that smoke alarms, Fire Extinguishers and Fire escapes are mandatory.
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Yet buildings have been built for thousands of years without these features. Since you think they are a good idea they should be mandatory?
It wasn't that long ago that if someone wanted to go out and build themselves a house (log cabin or whatever) they could. Now one must navigate through a mountain of regulations before they can even lay the groundwork on a building they are paying for themselves?

If the government wants to do this with public buildings so be it, if a man wants to build a house out of tires, mud, logs, cardboard, whatever, that should be his business.
 
Paratrooper said:
Yet buildings have been built for thousands of years without these features. Since you think they are a good idea they should be mandatory?
It wasn't that long ago that if someone wanted to go out and build themselves a house (log cabin or whatever) they could. Now one must navigate through a mountain of regulations before they can even lay the groundwork on a building they are paying for themselves?

If the government wants to do this with public buildings so be it, if a man wants to build a house out of tires, mud, logs, cardboard, whatever, that should be his business.
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Damn right!
 
Carjosse said:
Well our liquor laws are weird because they were probably created in the 20s or 30s and no one ever bothered to repeal them. For example you can't transport alcohol across provincial borders, it is really old and no one knows why it exists but it was never repealed. Most municipalities restrict the use of fertilizers and weed killers for environmental pollution reasons.
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Because most Canadians have acclimated to being subjects to the nanny state. You people didn't go to war to win your freedom like Americans did, so it's understandable how it's not as precious to you.
 
Paratrooper said:
Yet buildings have been built for thousands of years without these features. Since you think they are a good idea they should be mandatory?
It wasn't that long ago that if someone wanted to go out and build themselves a house (log cabin or whatever) they could. Now one must navigate through a mountain of regulations before they can even lay the groundwork on a building they are paying for themselves?

If the government wants to do this with public buildings so be it, if a man wants to build a house out of tires, mud, logs, cardboard, whatever, that should be his business.
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Google "Our lady of Angels school fire" and " Iroquois Theatre fire" and then tell me that safety measures shouldn't be mandatory. Save your Government "intrusion" bull****. And if you construct a house next to mine with disregard to things like proper up to code wiring and fire resistant materials and your house catches fire and mine is also destroyed because of your lack of common sense, guess what? You and I are going to do more than just have a conversation about the matter.
 
notquiteright said:
Typical CON dodge. avoid every question I asked and just stick to the script. :roll:

In regards to light bulbs and getting my gas pumped- not even close to any line.

marriage, peeping into my emails, interfering with a legal procedure between a doctor and his patient- the CONs have already crossed those lines so there is a real and present need to push back, not draw anything. :doh

Doorknobs which set you off this go-round... first I am planning on having lever doors on my new house, second the regulation is in CANADA, in ONE city, and for NEW builds.... pretty much leaves your umbrage takin' ass out of it don't you think? ;)

When someone tries to claim 'his kind' made America great.... every damn time....

That answer enough for you???? :peace
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They all love to whine about the Big Bad Federal govt, and extol the virtues of local government. They're so rabid that they hear about a govt regulation, and they started reading the script about the Nanny State

They don't even realize it's the local govt doing this :lamo
 
apdst said:
Because most Canadians have acclimated to being subjects to the nanny state. You people didn't go to war to win your freedom like Americans did, so it's understandable how it's not as precious to you.
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We view our freedoms differently than Americans, we have reasonable limits upon said freedoms but then again we don't believe in the right to have doorknobs. We value different values than Americans instead of a right to guns we have a right to education and a right to vote. Canada came of age after the U.S. in a more modern era and we have a more modern concept of rights and freedoms, one that actually applies in the modern era.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Google "Our lady of Angels school fire" and " Iroquois Theatre fire" and then tell me that safety measures shouldn't be mandatory. Save your Government "intrusion" bull****. And if you construct a house next to mine with disregard to things like proper up to code wiring and fire resistant materials and your house catches fire and mine is also destroyed because of your lack of common sense, guess what? You and I are going to do more than just have a conversation about the matter.
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Should we also make them fire proof, waterproof, tornado proof, airplane crash proof, alien invasion proof, deterioration proof, violent attack proof, sure it would be mighty safe, just no one would be able to afford it. Maybe we should just mandate that everyone have a force field around their house.
Its amazing the human race has survived for for thousands of years without these seemingly mandatory features.
Just because someone thinks something is a good idea doesn't mean it should be mandatory.
 
Carjosse said:
We view our freedoms differently than Americans, we have reasonable limits upon said freedoms but then again we don't believe in the right to have doorknobs. We value different values than Americans instead of a right to guns we have a right to education and a right to vote. Canada came of age after the U.S. in a more modern era and we have a more modern concept of rights and freedoms, one that actually applies in the modern era.
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Actually, your concept of freedom more resembles the Middle Age, not a modernvage. When your right to vote is no longer of convenience to the government, they'll take that from you, too and you'll just sit back and let them do it. Why? Because you value differently, in that you place less value on it.
 
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