The Truth about Navigators

[vesper]

Today at National Review Online, John Fund, a contributor, has the undercover footage collected by James O'Keefe exposing corruption at multiple levels in the process of signing up for Obamacare.

Michael Astrue served as commissioner of Social Security until earlier this year, and in the 1990s served as general counsel for HHS. He wrote in The Weekly Standard last month that he is genuinely frightened of the lax security surrounding the Obamacare website, and the fact that navigators will access the federal data hub to help people enroll:


HHS opened the door to large-scale fraud by providing funding for tens of thousands of “navigators”—people who are supposed to persuade the uninsured to apply for coverage and then assist them in the application process. Instead of hiring well-screened, well-trained, and well-supervised workers, HHS decided to build political support for the Affordable Care Act by pouring money into supportive organizations so they could launch poorly trained workers into their communities without obtaining criminal background checks or creating systems for monitoring their activities.

The article touches on the real concerns over security of the applicants. The undercover video is shocking showing navigators encouraging applicants to lie on their applications to keep their premiums down. It also exposes those "supportive organizations" that are suppose to be non-partisan are actually appendages of the Democrat party.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/363699/truth-about-navigators-john-fund

 

[mak2]

oh no, I dont think I can take it again...

 

[Grant]

Today at National Review Online, John Fund, a contributor, has the undercover footage collected by James O'Keefe exposing corruption at multiple levels in the process of signing up for Obamacare. The article touches on the real concerns over security of the applicants. The undercover video is shocking showing navigators encouraging applicants to lie on their applications to keep their premiums down. It also exposes those "supportive organizations" that are suppose to be non-partisan are actually appendages of the Democrat party.

The Truth about Navigators | National Review Online

But how could it be otherwise? Of course this is going to happen because results and actual health care are not what's important, it is the ideology.

When government money is being dispersed without any safeguards in areas where cost is not a factor, of course there is going to be fraud and abuse. No one really cares anymore because it's always someone elses money which is being spent so why not get on the bandwagon? Of course the ideologists will deny all of this and continue to make excuses for all these tax dollars disappearing but reality has a way of circling in sooner or later.

 

[vesper]

oh no, I dont think I can take it again...

Mak2 I just discovered Trfjr's thread in General Political discussion. sorry Hey it's a pretty important story or should be to every taxpayer and healthcare applicant.

 

[mak2]

I wasnt picking on you, I know it is hard to keep track of who started what. Just trying to be funny.

Mak2 I just discovered Trfjr's thread in General Political discussion. sorry Hey it's a pretty important story or should be to every taxpayer and healthcare applicant.

 

[MMC]

Mak2 I just discovered Trfjr's thread in General Political discussion. sorry Hey it's a pretty important story or should be to every taxpayer and healthcare applicant.

Indeed it is Vesper.

Notice where all those ACORN members keep showing up as. Obama-Navigators. Moreover due to the Cloud.....there are hackers who have already set **** up on their site. Just waiting for it all to begin again. Security of the Peoples Information is going to be an issue Obama isn't going to be able to run away from.

Any that get hacked now.....need to bring it front and center, so we can watch Obama and the Democrats hang their heads. Knowing their Ponzi scheme is going to fail. From your piece.


Records show that the National Urban League was paid $376,000 by the federal government for its Obamacare outreach in Texas.

As a practical matter, these navigators are unaccountable, and yet they will be asking people for Social Security numbers and other sensitive information. It will not take long for navigators to become predators, and HHS has no plan to deal with the new breed of predators it is creating. The somnolent HHS inspector general has been silent about this scheme that will inflict widespread fraud and identity theft on vulnerable Americans.

Finally, we should all remember that the Minnesota exchange illegally disclosed the Social Security numbers of 2,400 of its state’s citizens 18 days before its exchange opened for business. With HHS’s convoluted patchwork of contractors, including the data centers of “the cloud,” tens of thousands of people have now gained access to our personal data.

In Texas, some of those people work for Local 100 United Labor Unions, a New Orleans group run by ACORN founder Wade Rathke. Local 100 is a “sub-grantee” providing navigators for the Southern United Neighborhoods group, which received a $600,678 grant to promote Obamacare enrollment. It also received a $270,193 grant for similar work in Arkansas and a $486,123 grant for Louisiana. Marcel Reid, a former dissident board member of ACORN who broke with the group in 2008 over its questionable practices, told me earlier this year, “ACORN is forming new groups under new mismanagement, and if Wade Rathke is involved in any of them, it spells trouble.”

The law’s problems are coming from more sides than a pentadecagon. But one of the most serious things undermining its credibility is the Obama administraion’s seemingly complete indifference to corruption within one of the key groups tasked with its implementation. We’ll have to see just how much worse it gets.....snip~

 

[specklebang]

Does anybody know what a "Navigator" gets paid? What training they get?

Seems like they just rounded up a bunch of people, typical overweight and not very smart government worker types and turned them loose.

OTOH, where would you hire experienced navigators? We'd have to outsource to India.:roll:

 

[Born Free]

Democrats are soooo good at running something, especially with a community organizer as the CEO.

 

[Grant]

Democrats are soooo good at running something, especially with a community organizer as the CEO.

Yeah, but with no commendations from any community he claimed to have organized. In fact his his resume never included skills at organizing anything, anywhere, at anytime, it seems.

 

[apdst]

But how could it be otherwise? Of course this is going to happen because results and actual health care are not what's important, it is the ideology.

When government money is being dispersed without any safeguards in areas where cost is not a factor, of course there is going to be fraud and abuse. No one really cares anymore because it's always someone elses money which is being spent so why not get on the bandwagon? Of course the ideologists will deny all of this and continue to make excuses for all these tax dollars disappearing but reality has a way of circling in sooner or later.

And there's the long and the short of it. There has to be a total cluster****, so Obama can claim he had no idean, fein outrage and appear to be the big hero when he comes to the rescue.

 

[MMC]

Yeah, but with no commendations from any community he claimed to have organized. In fact his his resume never included skills at organizing anything, anywhere, at anytime, it seems.

Nor has he ever known how to run a Business or manage one.....not even his own Law office. Which you already know who handled all the paperwork and tidying up. Not only that.....Sebelius testified she knew this and that there could even be felons working as one of these Navigators.

The Navigators.....such a Noble title for the 22nd Century people of the Con Game. Do you think they figured out Obama's real name for them yet? U know.....The Expendables. Although I disagree with Rogers on the aspect of weird. I don't think we needed to wait to see when these Navigators came along for that. As Obamacare was already weird.....since it was really Hillarys Grandmothered Care with nothing more than a name change on paper.



Last Friday, the Washington Post ran a piece by Ed Rogers, a former top deputy in the 1988 George H. W. Bush campaign, entitled “Six Reasons Obamacare Will Get Worse for Democrats.” One reason leaps out:

Navigators. If you liked ACORN, you’ll love the Obamacare Navigators. I’m sure there will be good, sincere people who really want to help people navigate the Obamacare maze. But there will be enough bad apples employed as navigators to supply plenty of scary anecdotes and weird encounters that will result in a steady ridicule of the overall program. And there will no doubt be activists with hidden cameras ready to capture a few creepy and outrageous encounters that will grab everybody’s attention and make voters even more skeptical of Obamacare.

 

[Middleground]

Hey it's a pretty important story or should be to every taxpayer and healthcare applicant.

You have to be ****ing kidding me. Try this: you've been deceived.

 

[vesper]

Indeed it is Vesper.

Notice where all those ACORN members keep showing up as. Obama-Navigators. Moreover due to the Cloud.....there are hackers who have already set **** up on their site. Just waiting for it all to begin again. Security of the Peoples Information is going to be an issue Obama isn't going to be able to run away from.

Any that get hacked now.....need to bring it front and center, so we can watch Obama and the Democrats hang their heads. Knowing their Ponzi scheme is going to fail.

MMC thanks for your response. Yes this security issue is very scary. How many more like the Minnesota exchange illegally disclosing the Social Security numbers of 2,400 of its state’s citizens 18 days before its exchange opened for business has happened elsewhere? That video was so damning showing these so called "professional"s of the Obama administration telling people to lie to get a cheaper premium. When I think about all the millions/billion it took to set up the friggin website that still isn't working, then all the hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars sent out to grantees and sub-grantees to set up these signup sites hiring what amounts to community organizing groups affiliated with the Democrat party makes my blood boil. :2mad:

 

[APACHERAT]

Does anybody know what a "Navigator" gets paid? What training they get?

Seems like they just rounded up a bunch of people, typical overweight and not very smart government worker types and turned them loose.

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They are Obama's base.

 

[vesper]

You have to be ****ing kidding me. Try this: you've been deceived.

Evening Middleground, no ****ing kidding going on and if you want to see who has really been deceived, look in a mirror.

This damn thing is worse than a train wreck filled with corruption and deceit. Some in the Republican party want to just let it implode on its own thinking it would be a political advantage to do so. I don't want to see more people get hurt by allowing this boondoggle to continue and would like to see it shut down before more people lose their coverage or risk having their privacy hacked. Even you.

 

[APACHERAT]

Mak2 I just discovered Trfjr's thread in General Political discussion. sorry Hey it's a pretty important story or should be to every taxpayer and healthcare applicant.

This morning the James O'Keefe video was the lead story at the top left of the Drudge Report.

 

[vesper]

This morning the James O'Keefe video was the lead story at the top left of the Drudge Report.

I found out about it because I get updates through my email from NRO. That video was so damning.

 

[specklebang]

They are Obama's base.

Yes,. so? Greedy millionaires were Romney's base. So what? You realize that 2450 pages of Obamacare are there to enrich Romney's base.

Just saying.

 

[APACHERAT]

I found out about it because I get updates through my email from NRO. That video was so damning.

Any truth that Obama's navigators are making some where around $48. per hour ?

 

[APACHERAT]

Yes,. so? Greedy millionaires were Romney's base. So what? You realize that 2450 pages of Obamacare are there to enrich Romney's base.

Just saying.

I'm slowly coming around.

I feel like a real conservative idiot.

I could have registered as a Democrat forty years ago and the Democrat Party would have educated me on how the system works, how to lie and commit fraud and get free stuff and I could have spent four decades sitting on my front porch with a 40 ouncer in my hand waiting for the first of the month for more free stuff. And all it would cost me was my vote and having the government monkey on my back.

Boy, am I stupid or what ?

 

[vesper]

Any truth that Obama's navigators are making some where around $48. per hour ?

I don't know exactly what each navigator makes but according to Forbes they get $58.00 for every person they sign up.

Obamacare 'Navigators' Will Get $58 For Every Individual They Sign Up - Forbes

Hell if that is the case, from the numbers coming out of who has actually signed up, the navigators have probably enrolled for welfare entitlements by now.:lol:

 

[mak2]

Do they have insurance licenses?

I don't know exactly what each navigator makes but according to Forbes they get $58.00 for every person they sign up.

Obamacare 'Navigators' Will Get $58 For Every Individual They Sign Up - Forbes

Hell if that is the case, from the numbers coming out of who has actually signed up, the navigators have probably enrolled for welfare entitlements by now.:lol:

 

[APACHERAT]

I don't know exactly what each navigator makes but according to Forbes they get $58.00 for every person they sign up.

Obamacare 'Navigators' Will Get $58 For Every Individual They Sign Up - Forbes

Hell if that is the case, from the numbers coming out of who has actually signed up, the navigators have probably enrolled for welfare entitlements by now.:lol:

Piece work.

If I remember correctly, ACORN would pay their workers for every new person they registered to vote. The entire cast of Disney's Toontown along with Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Goofy and all of the dwarfs found themselves registered as Democrats in sixty voting precincts across America.

I wonder how many Obamacare plans Daffy Duck is signed up for ?

 

[specklebang]

I'm slowly coming around.

I feel like a real conservative idiot.

I could have registered as a Democrat forty years ago and the Democrat Party would have educated me on how the system works, how to lie and commit fraud and get free stuff and I could have spent four decades sitting on my front porch with a 40 ouncer in my hand waiting for the first of the month for more free stuff. And all it would cost me was my vote and having the government monkey on my back.

Boy, am I stupid or what ?

So just humor me and assume that I have magical powers. I use sorceries a way to return you to age 21. This conversation is your only memory.

Which life will you choose?

 

[vesper]

Do they have insurance licenses?

Good question. The answer is no. Number one, they are not licensed insurance agents. Number two, they don't carry errors and omissions insurance. Number three, the navigators or organizations that receive the grants, are not performing background checks on the individuals that are going to have access to personal, identifiable information. Number four, these folks are allowed to go door to door like a Fuller Brush man or Avon Lady or the Girl Scouts selling cookies, trying to sign people up for insurance. Ain't it special? :roll: