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BILL CLINTON TO OBAMA: 'Honor Your Commitment' On Obamacare

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Captain America said:
So, Obama can now dictate to the insurance company that the citizen can maintain the previous policy they had with them?
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Obama the Decider :lamo
 
Brooks said:
BILL CLINTON TO OBAMA: 'Honor Your Commitment' On Obamacare
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You have to know that things are really looking bad for Obama, when even Bill Clinton finds himself in a position to credibly take him to task over matters of honor and commitment.
 
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Chiefgator said:
Well, a big "atta boy" to Cliff Stearns! And of course, the Speaker never brought it to committee...............

I still don't understand why a bigger deal was not made about this.... My only guess is that the GOP knew it would happen and let it go so that they could point fingers and say "you lie!!!"
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My guess is they saw the writing on the wall. After trying to get ~120 amendments (review them all as some are quite interesting considering the current situation) and failing...you can only hit your head against the wall so many times!

Further consider Reid allowed 161 amendments to be added in the Senate version which passed first (to avoid the filibuster potential after the seating of Scott Brown in 2010). This was presumably to garner at least some GOP support but got none. Then once it got to the House Reid knew Nancy would eliminate ALL these...which she did. Ultimately the GOP had NO cards to play in this game...until now...?
 
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CalGun said:
And so the fact they were 100% correct doesn't matter as long as it comes from a source you don't like - way to open your mind. I'm curious now that your beloved MSNBC has aired it - do you now believe or is that a conspiracy too?
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The source requires anyone interested in debate to double-check basic facts. It introduces the OP as "hello, I'll use Alex Jones as a source, and I'd like to discuss blahblah". CT blogs, RT, PressTV, Cuban and Venezuelan regime media arms as citation, great. Someone might as well open with "On Coast to Coast AM, I heard..." Even if the article includes context and is reported without blatant slant, the source says "cite anything" for evidence as a standard for the debate.


ps. My "beloved" msnbc? I haven't owned a TV in ~15 years and cannot imagine going to such a fringe website. I couldn't name 2 people featured on that channel.
 
Perotista said:
Yeah, I head that on CNN in my car picking up one of the grandkids. I have to agree with him, people can hem and haw around if they want, but it was a promise. But I wonder about his his motive his, he always has/had one. Could it be that he knows if Hillary wins in 2016 she will own Obamacare and he is trying to help her put some distance between what has been one heck of a screw-up roll out.

Don't get me wrong, I would welcome Bill back in a heartbeat as president. I do think we ought to do away with that 22nd Amendment.
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I just read your post on WJC and I like it..However, I like the next one by chiefgator also..Clearly, factors beyond BHO's control were at work, TNTN..Clinton gives him cover while the GOP was smart not to quack lie, since it wasn't..I want to see the brilliant bill the GOP House gives us .
 
Anyway, Bill is obviously doing this to lay groundwork for Hillary's distance from the ACA during her presidential campaign. She wanted single payer and backed down when private business was threatened/infringed implicitly via regs.
 
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NIMBY said:
I just read your post on WJC and I like it..However, I like the next one by chiefgator also..Clearly, factors beyond BHO's control were at work, TNTN..Clinton gives him cover while the GOP was smart not to quack lie, since it wasn't..I want to see the brilliant bill the GOP House gives us .
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I will tell you something else here, the way I see it if you voted for the ACA and backed the president on the ACA until last week, you ought to continue to back the ACA and not start to desert. After all, these senators, Landrieu, Pryor, Hagan, Begich and the rest who voted for it are responsible for it. Just because the president slides down in the approval ratings is no reason to abandon him. It usually doesn't work anyway.

If those 4 and others were loyal to the wishes of the people of their states, to the people who sent them to Washington in the first place, they would have voted Nay back in 2010. Running away from that vote is not right, at least in my eyes. I may not like the politics of a Schummer or a Sanders, but at least they vote the way the people of their state expects them to vote and they stick with their convictions. For that they have my respect, but I still think their politics stinks.
 
Perotista said:
If those 4 and others were loyal to the wishes of the people of their states, to the people who sent them to Washington in the first place, they would have voted Nay back in 2010. Running away from that vote is not right, at least in my eyes. I may not like the politics of a Schummer or a Sanders, but at least they vote the way the people of their state expects them to vote and they stick with their convictions. For that they have my respect, but I still think their politics stinks.
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You can't do that.... to vote as a representative of your constituents would be sooooooooooooo old fashioned!
These days, the Politicians tell us how they are going to vote and the people spout the talking points and support it.
 
ecofarm said:
Anyway, Bill is obviously doing this to lay groundwork for Hillary's distance from the ACA during her presidential campaign. She wanted single payer and backed down when private business was threatened/infringed implicitly via regs.
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Going to be hard for her to distance herself from it when the individual mandate was originally what Obama ran against her on. I could be mistaken but the current ACA sounds more like what Clinton ran on rather than Obama. When Obama ran against her I remember him constantly saying the plan should be something people wanted to buy and not forced into like her plan would do.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
It's pretty sad when Bill Clinton gets to lecture anyone about "honor".
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It is even sadder when people use mistakes to rise above the President by generally ignoring everything else Clinton did. What is such a "dishonorable" mistake anyway?
 
Perotista said:
I will tell you something else here, the way I see it if you voted for the ACA and backed the president on the ACA until last week, you ought to continue to back the ACA and not start to desert. After all, these senators, Landrieu, Pryor, Hagan, Begich and the rest who voted for it are responsible for it. Just because the president slides down in the approval ratings is no reason to abandon him. It usually doesn't work anyway.

If those 4 and others were loyal to the wishes of the people of their states, to the people who sent them to Washington in the first place, they would have voted Nay back in 2010. Running away from that vote is not right, at least in my eyes. I may not like the politics of a Schummer or a Sanders, but at least they vote the way the people of their state expects them to vote and they stick with their convictions. For that they have my respect, but I still think their politics stinks.
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Good morning Pero - you're absolutely right. We have to remember that about 65 House Democrats went down to defeat in 2010 because of their vote for the ACA and they didn't turtle and desert the bill or the President when they got flack at home - they stood up for their vote and suffered the consequences. I'll always remember the pro-life Pennsylvannia Democrat Representative, although I can't remember his name right now, who let a pro-life type Democrat caucus in the House who resisted the ACA until the last minute because the President made promises that the ACA would not force those who oppose abortion to offer or support contraception and abortion services. He looked truly troubled when he cast his vote for the bill and as it turns out the President betrayed him too. He subsequently chose not to run for reelection, perhaps feeling he'd let his constituents down.
 
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Captain America said:
So, Obama can now dictate to the insurance company that the citizen can maintain the previous policy they had with them?
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Why not? He dictated to the People that they have to pay the insurance companies...
 
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Gee I hope they dont change their mind. I am more than a little worried about the mindless Obama supporters the have already contorted themselves into a position of defense of the president, claiming that the lie doesnt matter because really, after all, the government is saving many millions of people from bad policies. Now...if he changes his mind, well...they are going to have to justify THAT as well. Some people could hurt themselves.
 
Chiefgator said:
You can't do that.... to vote as a representative of your constituents would be sooooooooooooo old fashioned!
These days, the Politicians tell us how they are going to vote and the people spout the talking points and support it.
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Spouting their parties rhetoric, slogans, talking points, etc is exactly what you see on this site from most. Its like the RNC or the DNC has a laser beam directed at their brain to tell their finger what to type. I wonder how many people actually disagreed with only one issue or stance their party took.

It wasn't that long ago where where most representatives and senators did vote their constutients and states wishes at least on the big things. The smaller and more minor things they followed party line. But most listened to what the people said. Not anymore.
 
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Erod said:
Bill Clinton: 'President Should Honor the Commitment' and Let People Keep Their Insurance Plans | The Weekly Standard

Clinton: Obama should

Clinton to Obama: Keep ObamaCare promise, let Americans 'keep what they got' | Fox News
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Nice one Erod.
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That should take care of any that don't know about Media Sources in the first place. ;)

Anytime they start complainin about any reference sources that have been validated. Slam that **** home on them.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good morning Pero - you're absolutely right. We have to remember that about 65 House Democrats went down to defeat in 2010 because of their vote for the ACA and they didn't turtle and desert the bill or the President when they got flack at home - they stood up for their vote and suffered the consequences. I'll always remember the pro-life Pennsylvannia Democrat Representative, although I can't remember his name right now, who let a pro-life type Democrat caucus in the House who resisted the ACA until the last minute because the President made promises that the ACA would not force those who oppose abortion to offer or support contraception and abortion services. He looked truly troubled when he cast his vote for the bill and as it turns out the President betrayed him too. He subsequently chose not to run for reelection, perhaps feeling he'd let his constituents down.
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Running away from your vote usually doesn't work anyway. Distancing one self from the president usually doesn't work either unless you are really popular back in your home state or district. So some can get away with it, most don't. Landrieu going to Lake Charles instead of being on stage with the president when he was in New Orleans isn't going to help distance herself from her yea vote in 2010.

McCaskill of Missouri a yea vote in 2010 and in deep trouble in Missouri which was around 60% against the ACA won last year, but the GOP helped her out tremendously by nominating Aiken to run against her and gave the people of Missouri a choice between one candidate with a 61% disapproval rating and another with a 70% disapproval rating. Republican ineptness. So the people of Missouri are now represented by someone whom 61% of Missourians didn't want, the true lesser of two evils for them.

We have entered an era where party loyalty has replaced loyalty to country, state and district. To the people they are suppose to represent, now most in Washington represent their party, not the people who elected them.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
The PPACA grandfathering provision is a joke. The "grandfathered" plans must change to remove any annual/lifetime caps, cover children until age 26 and still keep the co-pay, deductible and premium rates basically unchanged from those in 2010.
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Mornin Ttwtt. :2wave: That's the one is killing Obamacare now......people keeping their kids on their insurance until 26. Obama needs those young people and their money, in order to make his scam work.
 
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ecofarm said:
The source requires anyone interested in debate to double-check basic facts. It introduces the OP as "hello, I'll use Alex Jones as a source, and I'd like to discuss blahblah". CT blogs, RT, PressTV, Cuban and Venezuelan regime media arms as citation, great. Someone might as well open with "On Coast to Coast AM, I heard..." Even if the article includes context and is reported without blatant slant, the source says "cite anything" for evidence as a standard for the debate.


ps. My "beloved" msnbc? I haven't owned a TV in ~15 years and cannot imagine going to such a fringe website. I couldn't name 2 people featured on that channel.
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I call BS.....you know who Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews is and you have talked about them on this site. So you know they work for MSDNC.
 
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MMC said:
Mornin Ttwtt. :2wave: That's the one is killing Obamacare now......people keeping their kids on their insurance until 26. Obama needs those young people and their money, in order to make his scam work.
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Obama needs a lot more than that for this scam to work. Like a whole new healthcare plan.
 
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Born Free said:
Obama needs a lot more than that for this scam to work. Like a whole new healthcare plan.
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Mornin BF. :2wave: that's True.....and there will be more structural problems. Seems Ryan's Crystal ball going back to Bowles Simpson is all coming true.

Moreover Obamacare is nothing more than the Grandmothered Hillarycare. That why Bilbo is out telling Obama to.....FIX it!
 
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And posting your criticism of the source proves many things. First it proves your mind is closed to anyone's views but those you support and endorse. It proves you prefer not to address the topic but instead the source. If I don't care for the source I'll point out why - their bias for instance but if the source proves to be simply reporting facts that can't be disputed I'll at least stay on topic - something you haven't bothered to even try. Does it hurt that much that billy jeff played your little bama like the fool he is?


ecofarm said:
The source requires anyone interested in debate to double-check basic facts. It introduces the OP as "hello, I'll use Alex Jones as a source, and I'd like to discuss blahblah". CT blogs, RT, PressTV, Cuban and Venezuelan regime media arms as citation, great. Someone might as well open with "On Coast to Coast AM, I heard..." Even if the article includes context and is reported without blatant slant, the source says "cite anything" for evidence as a standard for the debate.


ps. My "beloved" msnbc? I haven't owned a TV in ~15 years and cannot imagine going to such a fringe website. I couldn't name 2 people featured on that channel.
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MMC said:
I call BS.....you know who Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews is and you have talked about them on this site. So you know they work for MSDNC.
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I've seen youtube clips of Matthews primarily because of the misogyny he spews, particularly towards Hillary. I don't think I've mentioned Maddow, I've no idea anything about her.
 
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American said:
He said it, what's your problem?
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Problem is with using that source as an OP. It requires anyone interested to double-check the information, and any analysis or conclusions are highly suspect and most certainly slanted viciously.

Just because the basic premise of the article is true does not make the article believable in its entirety. And with that site, the basis could be false by misrepresentation. It's just a crappy blog, this place would be an equivalent citation.
 
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