• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

Then you need an education, because that's the charge when you use your vehicle to ram someone. But hey, you're supposed to know this if you have a driver's license.

Hey slick. My uncle is a cop. I got friends that are cops. And I know the law. My comment is that the minor little fender bender can hardly be designated as an "attack" other than some bull crap officer who is trying to justify shooting a kid he is mad at for hitting his car.


The fact is they could have eliminated the tired and on that grass he would have lost traction.
 
Just further evidence of why calling the cops is becoming more dangerous than dealing with it yourself.

Anytime you invite the cops into your life you are inviting potential fascism and tyranny to violate your rights.

I'll stick to my guns.
 
Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead

So basically they shoot an unarmed kid because he won't cut the truck off? This is overkill. Thus proving you cannot trust a government official with a deadly weapon. We can't even trust then with microphones. Maybe we SHOULD disarm police and only allow specially trained officers carry like in the UK. They can't stop shooting people.

Lets see. If someone use an AR-15 with 20 round magazines, they can kill/wound, what, maybe 40-60 before they are stopped? If they floor a pickup and run it through a crowd, they could get 100s. So much for the "unarmed" theory.
 
I wasnt at the scene so i dont know exactly what happened and anybody can be a monday QB after the situation but im just saying, in general, theres probably a conscience and unconscience list in my head of hot not to get killed
on that list would definitely be

do NOT ram police cars with another vehicle
do NOT threaten police with a vehicle
if i have been deemed a threat by police and they have their guns on me issuing commands do NOT disobey

again, not saying its a fact the police did nothing wrong i wasnt there but the above are 3 easy ways to get yourself shot all by them selves let alone all together
 
Last edited:
Hey slick. My uncle is a cop. I got friends that are cops. And I know the law. My comment is that the minor little fender bender can hardly be designated as an "attack" other than some bull crap officer who is trying to justify shooting a kid he is mad at for hitting his car.


The fact is they could have eliminated the tired and on that grass he would have lost traction.

Be careful with the "slick" busines, you don't know me that well. And obviously you don't know the law if you think that ramming a cop car isn't going to bring you felony charges. And no, a flat tire doesn't end a car chase, not even four of them, nor would it keep the guy from using his vehicle to ram the police. You've been watching too many movies.
 
[video]http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-non-msm/177579-dad-calls-cops-son-cops-shoot-son-4.html[/video]
see what happens at 3:52 mark of that video
the kid was looking to hurt the cops
 
It's what he ****ing gets for calling the police to "teach his son a lesson".

Not to mention, of course, what the son ****ing gets for refusing to disable the two-ton weapon when the police order him to.

Maybe some day, people will ****ing learn.

edit: Also, from the comments:
Such a hateful, hateful post. Sure, the dad was stupid to call the cops just to teach his son a lesson. However, the dad doesn't deserve to have his son shot to death as you believe. Come on man. Get a friggin grip on reality.
 
[video]http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-non-msm/177579-dad-calls-cops-son-cops-shoot-son-4.html[/video]
see what happens at 3:52 mark of that video
the kid was looking to hurt the cops

It doesn't show that.

Strange that the officer who shot him radioed in "we got shots fired."
 
Such a hateful, hateful post. Sure, the dad was stupid to call the cops just to teach his son a lesson. However, the dad doesn't deserve to have his son shot to death as you believe. Come on man. Get a friggin grip on reality.

I agree. I have no problem with the father calling the police. The son took his employer's truck. The father could lost his job over that and sometimes a parent should call the cops on their kid, although unfortunately that assumes reasonable police response... and I don't think the father really thought that one thru as his son was an adult and would be treated like one. Probably still thought of his kid as a minor.
 
It doesn't show that.

Strange that the officer who shot him radioed in "we got shots fired."

you did not see his vehicle lurch toward the cops immediately prior to their shots? let me encourage you to look at that spot of the video again
 
Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead

So basically they shoot an unarmed kid because he won't cut the truck off? This is overkill. Thus proving you cannot trust a government official with a deadly weapon. We can't even trust then with microphones. Maybe we SHOULD disarm police and only allow specially trained officers carry like in the UK. They can't stop shooting people.

So - what's gone wrong with law enforcement? What training are they receiving that's turned them into unreasonable and psychotic? Or - what training have they NOT received.

I know the law hasn't always been clean cut - in fact - the idea is laughable. But WHY? Why do they get away with things, why are things so ****ed up for so many?

What does their training consist of and can any of them be trusted to handle things right? Well obvious many can because a lot of people will never fire a weapon on duty throughout their careers . . . so what are the warning signs for those who flip out and do it *all wrong?*

This is a serious issue, and it needs to be addressed - but people aren't really digging into it because it's LAW enforcement gone wrong.
 
you did not see his vehicle lurch toward the cops immediately prior to their shots? let me encourage you to look at that spot of the video again

No, maybe I was looking at a different video. I saw landscape stuff flying over a police cruiser when he backed into the police cruiser. Within a second 8 shots were rapidly. fired. Then I see an officer enter the picture pointing his service revolver and calling into his shoulder mic "shots fired."
 
So - what's gone wrong with law enforcement? What training are they receiving that's turned them into unreasonable and psychotic? Or - what training have they NOT received.

I know the law hasn't always been clean cut - in fact - the idea is laughable. But WHY? Why do they get away with things, why are things so ****ed up for so many?
when your job is primarily to intervene with the dregs of society, how can it not affect many leos

but in this instance, the kid was directing a massive weapon, wielding it against the cops
 
So - what's gone wrong with law enforcement? What training are they receiving that's turned them into unreasonable and psychotic? Or - what training have they NOT received.

I know the law hasn't always been clean cut - in fact - the idea is laughable. But WHY? Why do they get away with things, why are things so ****ed up for so many?

What does their training consist of and can any of them be trusted to handle things right? Well obvious many can because a lot of people will never fire a weapon on duty throughout their careers . . . so what are the warning signs for those who flip out and do it *all wrong?*

This is a serious issue, and it needs to be addressed - but people aren't really digging into it because it's LAW enforcement gone wrong.

The problem isn't just with law enforcement, but the public. Over and over and over we read on this forum... "but he/she was breaking the law so s/he deserved to die" or "s/he didn't instantly throw him/herself on the ground or hands in the arm so the police should have shot him/her 10 times."

Step by step by step, people accept more and more government power and government/law enforcement people have ever greater rights and importance than ordinary people.
 
I wasnt at the scene so i dont know exactly what happened and anybody can be a monday QB after the situation but im just saying, in general, theres probably a conscience and unconscience list in my head of hot not to get killed
on that list would definitely be

do NOT ram police cars with another vehicle
do NOT threaten police with a vehicle
if i have been deemed a threat by police and they have their guns on me issuing commands do NOT disobey

again, not saying its a fact the police did nothing wrong i wasnt there but the above are 3 easy ways to get yourself shot all by them selves let alone all together

ok now that i have watched the multiple dash cams i definitely stick by my statements

after seeing him ram cops and attack them with the truck, almost hit people and not care about them and then ram the cop car again the kid committed suicide by cop.


could it have turned out different? yes
but my quoted post covers it
 
The problem isn't just with law enforcement, but the public. Over and over and over we read on this forum... "but he/she was breaking the law so s/he deserved to die" or "s/he didn't instantly throw him/herself on the ground or hands in the arm so the police should have shot him/her 10 times."

Step by step by step, people accept more and more government power and government/law enforcement people have ever greater rights and importance than ordinary people.

I don't see acceptance of it - I see a growing concern and mistrust of our law enforcement.
I'm not putting this on people.

when your job is primarily to intervene with the dregs of society, how can it not affect many leos

but in this instance, the kid was directing a massive weapon, wielding it against the cops

Well - I've seen a lot of chases end without the shooting and death of the un-armed driver, so I know it's possible to disable a vehicle and arrest the suspect. So, yet again, that doesn't fly for me.
 
Last edited:
when your job is primarily to intervene with the dregs of society, how can it not affect many leos

but in this instance, the kid was directing a massive weapon, wielding it against the cops

Total overstatement.

If this had been college kids using their vehicles to try to stop someone racing thru campus ramming the truck - and when the truck rammed back one of those kids jumped out and shot that driver firing 8 rounds, we know the same members saying the police acted correctly would instead be screaming "Vigilante!!!" "Murder!" "Endangering others by shooting on campus!!!" "Just as bad for driving just as fast chasing him!!!!" and demand he go to prison for life for murder.

How vastly, vastly important a police officer's life has become in relation to the rest of us. At least they should write separate penal codes for police and government employees and another for the people who aren't in government to clarify. Maybe amend the constitution for two different sets of Bill of Rights too.
 
Was he or was he not still in control of two-ton truck with which he had previously attacked the police?

In the pic it looks to me like the truck was pretty much done in and not going anywhere.
 
Total overstatement.

If this had been college kids using their vehicles to try to stop someone racing thru campus ramming the truck - and when the truck rammed back one of those kids jumped out and shot that driver firing 8 rounds, we know the same members saying the police acted correctly would instead be screaming "Vigilante!!!" "Murder!" "Endangering others by shooting on campus!!!" "Just as bad for driving just as fast chasing him!!!!" and demand he go to prison for life for murder.

How vastly, vastly important a police officer's life has become in relation to the rest of us. At least they should write separate penal codes for police and government employees and another for the people who aren't in government to clarify. Maybe amend the constitution for two different sets of Bill of Rights too.

no overstatement
no excessive response - given the circumstances
watch the video
the driver, who had previously ramed a cop car, puts the truck in reverse toward the two standing cops
immediately prior to being killed by one of them

but you wear a badge, so you certainly can opt to remain standing while the perp runs over you with the rear end of the stolen truck
when that happens, we can compare video responses
and again debate which leo made the wiser decision
 
Such a hateful, hateful post. Sure, the dad was stupid to call the cops just to teach his son a lesson. However, the dad doesn't deserve to have his son shot to death as you believe. Come on man. Get a friggin grip on reality.

I don't think either the father or the son deserved what they got, and yeah, maybe I should have been more sensitive in my phrasing. But what they did-- each of them-- was stupid, incredibly stupid, and the son's death was a direct consequence of their stupidity. Instead of "looking for answers" from the police, who only did their job and only killed his son because he was endangering them (and others), he should be wondering what the hell was wrong with his son to make him behave in that fashion.
 
Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead

So basically they shoot an unarmed kid because he won't cut the truck off? This is overkill. Thus proving you cannot trust a government official with a deadly weapon. We can't even trust then with microphones. Maybe we SHOULD disarm police and only allow specially trained officers carry like in the UK. They can't stop shooting people.


Another case to add to the growing number of such cases all across the country. Abuse of power by local and state agencies is growing by leaps and bounds...
 
I don't see acceptance of it - I see a growing concern and mistrust of our law enforcement.
I'm not putting this on people.



Well - I've seen a lot of chases end without the shooting and death of the un-armed driver, so I know it's possible to disable a vehicle and arrest the suspect. So, yet again, that doesn't fly for
me.

Bingo!!!! They made a stupid ass decision. Why not shoot tires first? Especially on grass? Traction. Hello? I don't think they wanted to kill him, but then again...why are they shooting "at the engine block?" And why leave the safety of a vehicle when the suspect vehicle isn't disabled? Seems that the SMART call would be boxing him in. Once he hit the grass it was game over. That truck had way too many cops nearby to get away.
 
Back
Top Bottom