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FDA Proposes Trans Fat Ban.....

danarhea said:
This goes to the general welfare clause. And, of course, people dying due to heart attacks caused by food additives comes under general welfare. This is no different than the government shutting down those who sold snake oil remedies that injured and killed people in the 1800's and early 1900's.
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1: The General Welfare Clause has to do with taxes. Not the welfare of the people. If it had meant the "welfare of the people" then it would have said just that "of the people".

2: The US government did not try to stop snake oil hucksters until 1906 with the Food and Drugs act. So kiss the 1800's bye bye. Now why do you figure they waited over 100 years before trying to stop such? Why didn't the 1st or 2nd or even 3rd Congress try to stop such things? Assuming that is what the General Welfare Clause actually meant of course. Do you think that they didn't have such hucksters back then?

3: Trans Fat occurs naturally in many foods. For example most any dairy products and meat. If they ban companies from selling it what happens to those foods?
 
Kal'Stang said:
1: The General Welfare Clause has to do with taxes. Not the welfare of the people. If it had meant the "welfare of the people" then it would have said just that "of the people".

2: The US government did not try to stop snake oil hucksters until 1906 with the Food and Drugs act. So kiss the 1800's bye bye. Now why do you figure they waited over 100 years before trying to stop such? Why didn't the 1st or 2nd or even 3rd Congress try to stop such things? Assuming that is what the General Welfare Clause actually meant of course. Do you think that they didn't have such hucksters back then?

3: Trans Fat occurs naturally in many foods. For example most any dairy products and meat. If they ban companies from selling it what happens to those foods?
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Trans fats occur naturally in very small quantities. The transfats that are being banned occur in hydrogenated vegetable oils, which are artificially produced, and these trasfats are in very large quantities. Just like snake oil. They kill people, which gives the government the right to regulate them.
 
danarhea said:
Trans fats occur naturally in very small quantities. The transfats that are being banned occur in hydrogenated vegetable oils, which are artificially produced, and these trasfats are in very large quantities. Just like snake oil. They kill people, which gives the government the right to regulate them.
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How many miles to the gallon did they say they get from Vegetable Oil? :2razz:
 
sangha said:
The FDA isn't telling you what you can and can not eat. It is telling businesses what they can't add to food.
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Sophistry is all that is. Who is the end target for such laws? The people.

sangha said:
It goes to the govts' power to protect my rights, particularly my right to life. Putting poison in my food infringes on my right to life
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Trans Fat occurs naturally in dairy products and meat. Do you want the government to ban all those too?

sangha said:
It also goes to the govt's power to regulate interstate commerce.
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The Federal government was never meant to ban products even with the interstate commerce clause. That particular clause was just originally meant to make it to where the prices were basically the same. IE They prevented one state from selling to one state really cheap while charging another state outragously and putting huge taxes on another states imported product. The fact that it got expanded to what it is now has hurt this country more than any other expansion of government power.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Sophistry is all that is. Who is the end target for such laws? The people.
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Nope. The FDA can't forbid people from eating anything.


Trans Fat occurs naturally in dairy products and meat. Do you want the government to ban all those too?
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This has already been addressed and the FDA is not even considering a ban on natural occurring trans fats; just the addition of manufactured trans fats.




The Federal government was never meant to ban products even with the interstate commerce clause. That particular clause was just originally meant to make it to where the prices were basically the same. IE They prevented one state from selling to one state really cheap while charging another state outragously and putting huge taxes on another states imported product. The fact that it got expanded to what it is now has hurt this country more than any other expansion of government power.
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Nonsense. There's nothing in the constitution that limits the govt's power to regulate interstate commerce that suggests they are not allowed to ban products nor limit that power to situations where prices were basically the same.
 
sangha said:
Nope. The FDA can't forbid people from eating anything.
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Again, why are they banning it? To stop people from eating it. Keep up with sophistry, its the only thing you've got since reality says otherwise.

sangha said:
This has already been addressed and the FDA is not even considering a ban on natural occurring trans fats; just the addition of manufactured trans fats.
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Yeah, sure. :roll:

sangha said:
Nonsense. There's nothing in the constitution that limits the govt's power to regulate interstate commerce that suggests they are not allowed to ban products nor limit that power to situations where prices were basically the same.
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There is also nothing in the Constitution that suggests the government has the right to deny a felon from owning a gun or even a non-felon from owning a gun. And yet.....they have done both.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Again, why are they banning it? To stop people from eating it. Keep up with sophistry, its the only thing you've got since reality says otherwise.
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Because it's harmful.

Trans fat is in many foods, so the FDA can't stop people from eating it. They can stop food producers from adding it to foods.




Yeah, sure. :roll:
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I accept your surrender on this point




There is also nothing in the Constitution that suggests the government has the right to deny a felon from owning a gun or even a non-felon from owning a gun. And yet.....they have done both.
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Actually, there is but please stop trying to derail the thread. The govt does have the power to regulate interstate commerce, and to protect lives, and nothing in the constitution suggests that the commerce clause is limited to situations based on price.
 
sangha said:
Because it's harmful.

Trans fat is in many foods, so the FDA can't stop people from eating it. They can stop food producers from adding it to foods.
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Do people not have the right to harm themselves?



Actually, there is but please stop trying to derail the thread. The govt does have the power to regulate interstate commerce, and to protect lives, and nothing in the constitution suggests that the commerce clause is limited to situations based on price.
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So where is the trade dispute between the listed members?
 
Henrin said:
Do people not have the right to harm themselves?





So where is the trade dispute between the listed members?
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Relax, libertarians!

You are not having trans fats made illegal. You're welcome to hydrogenate all the oil you want and consume it at will. In fact, I encourage you do do this and distribute this Freedom Oil to all off your libertarian friends.

I hope you all get to taste the sweet fat of freedom in large quantities for as long as you and your coronary endothelium can take it.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Apples and oranges.
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Ah, I see that you abhor common sense and reasoning.

Regulation is regulation.

Shall the FDA, then, cease their confirmation of food safety so you can consume whatever you want?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Trans Fat occurs naturally in dairy products and meat. Do you want the government to ban all those too? .
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In smaller quantities, and those aren't being banned. So you're ok with this now, right?

You're talking as though the FDA is going to decree that nobody can ever consume any amount of trans fats in any product. That simply isn't true. You're inflating the issue.
 
SMTA said:
Ah, I see that you abhor common sense and reasoning.

Regulation is regulation.

Shall the FDA, then, cease their confirmation of food safety so you can consume whatever you want?
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YES! I want mah RAHT to eat WAHT EVUR AH WAWNT! RARRRRRWWWW FREEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDOOOOOOMMMMMM!!
 
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