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Mom Lets Son Wear KKK Halloween Costume, Says It's A Family Tradition

Sorry, you don't get to use "damaging" as debate avoider. Maybe if you PROVED damaging in a quantifiable measure. Till then, it's nothing more than your opinion and you are not god.

Spare me your subjective nonsense. It's an established fact that names can and do cause damage to the individual:

Your Career: Can your name affect your career? - Business - Careers | NBC News

One study by researchers at MIT and the University of Chicago found that job applicants with names that sounded African-American got short shrift when it came to the hiring process. The researchers sent out 5,000 fake resumes, and it turned out that resumes with names such as Tyrone and Tamika were less likely to get calls from prospective employers than their Anglo-sounding counterparts, and qualifications seemed to have little impact.

John, for example, was seen by those polled as largely “wholesome,” while Juan was rated higher when it came to being “devious.” And as far as the “strange” rating on the two names — 44 percent thought John was strange, while nearly 70 percent thought Juan was strange.

Now, try calling your kid some **** like "Aryan Race" and see how that works out for you.
 
Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be a lot of moving the goalposts in the bigotry argument here.
 
She stated that there is nothing wrong with the group. Nothing wrong with a racist, violent, anti semeitc, group.
She said "Its supposed to BE white with white, black with black, etc etc". Meaning that whites should marry blacks or any other minority and any other minority shoulndt be with whites.

hate to break it to you, but there are black folks out there who think there is nothing wrong with the new black panthers and that blacks shouldn't marry whites or any other "race" except blacks.
 
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She stated that there is nothing wrong with the group. Nothing wrong with a racist, violent, anti semeitc, group.
She said "Its supposed to BE white with white, black with black, etc etc". Meaning that whites should marry blacks or any other minority and any other minority shoulndt be with whites.

So what?

I married a white woman.

It was my intention since I was old enough to find the opposite sex attractive to marry a white woman.

I dated plenty of women from other races, cultures, and backgrounds.

Asians, Asian Indians, Black women, you name it.

But I always figured I'd marry a white one.

And I did.

She's an immigrant from Ecuador, so clearly not Buffy the WASP, but she's as white as you or I.

That doesn't say a damn thing about how I feel about women, or people in general, of other races.

It doesn't say a damn thing about how I feel about men, or those who choose to pursue same-sex relationships.

I have no doubt that I'm just as progressive as you are when it comes to the rights of racial minorities and LGBTQ people.

I expect them all to be treated equally, and no differently than I would be treated.

But to say that, for me, white women fit the bill doesn't take away at all from my feelings of inclusion for any other "group".

All that woman said was that, for her, whites should be with whites and men should be with women and that there's nothing wrong with the KKK because they believe the same things she believes.

Not bigotry.

If she would have gone farther and said that lynching African Americans is good, or that same-sex couples should be driven from the neighborhood at the point of a pitchfork, or that her kid shouldn't have to trick-or-treat with Mexicans, then yeah, sure, bigotry.

But the simple fact that folks don't see 100% eye-to-eye with us?

Not at all.

As long as they're leaving other people alone, not discriminating against, persecuting, or hating on other people, then I fail to see the bigotry.
 

letting your child wear a costume that's been in the family for generations is not bigotry alone

I think it is a little unrealistic not to consider history in this case. You can not simply refer to a KKK costume as " a costume that's been in the family for generations" it makes is sound too innocent. A tag it does not deserve.

Also, I'm pretty sure that attitudes are included in the definition of bigotry it's not just actions. Attitudes are typically expressed through words or actions anyway so its manifestation is kind of inevitable.

I believe that bigotry is active. I don't believe that bigotry is passive. Do you believe anyone who burns the American flag should go to jail? We're on the same premise here if you do.

No, I do not think that you should go to jail for burning the flag. I think that kind of loyalty to a sheet of fabric is dangerous.
 
Spare me your subjective nonsense. It's an established fact that names can and do cause damage to the individual:

Your Career: Can your name affect your career? - Business - Careers | NBC News





Now, try calling your kid some **** like "Aryan Race" and see how that works out for you.

Good thing people can change their names when they get older. Once again you demonstrated no harm. Instead we have your OPINION and that is not enough for government force. Time to leave the Thought Police behind.
 
Institutional racism is dead, you're never going to forcibly change the minds of individuals who insist on believing stupid things, so long as they don't act on it. People have a right to wear whatever they want, whether you like it or not. They broke no laws. Deal with it.

Why so paranoid??? No one said anything about not allowing them to do it. I am free however, to have an opinion about it and express it here. Sounds like you are defending bigotry and ignorance.
 
I think it is a little unrealistic not to consider history in this case. You can not simply refer to a KKK costume as " a costume that's been in the family for generations" it makes is sound too innocent. A tag it does not deserve.

Also, I'm pretty sure that attitudes are included in the definition of bigotry it's not just actions. Attitudes are typically expressed through words or actions anyway so its manifestation is kind of inevitable.

Then let me refer you to what I said above - do you think that every truck or home in the south that has a picture of or flies a Confederate flag is insinuating that slavery is perfectly okay and should be allowed? With your argument above, you're making exactly that claim.

No, I do not think that you should go to jail for burning the flag. I think that kind of loyalty to a sheet of fabric is dangerous.

You don't see a slight hint of hypocrisy here?

You're essentially making my case for me - it's just a "sheet of fabric", as is a Klansman uniform. The Klan is not the sheet; it's the man underneath it. You can't claim symbolism in one area and not claim it in another. You're trivializing your own argument.
 
Why so paranoid??? No one said anything about not allowing them to do it. I am free however, to have an opinion about it and express it here. Sounds like you are defending bigotry and ignorance.

No, I'm just pointing out that there's tons of bigotry and ignorance to go around, even from your side.
 
Ice
That's rather a subjective thing isn't it. Why criticize or demean the concerns of others? It seems like an odd reaction. Defensive almost.

Thos woman and her family are getting feath threats. Nice job of blowing it out of proportion. It's just a ****ing Halloween costume! Whats next? Burn little girls that dress like a witch at the stake?
 
I am not all a flutter. That's you (and a few others) projecting because you don't want to deal with or admit to the deeper issue. Honestly, why do you guys always resort to such childish tactics. Stop it.

again, what deeper issue? I keep asking and you keep not answering
 
Good thing people can change their names when they get older.

Yep, still doesn't spare them the bullying, social exclusion etc that is experienced by individuals with "unique" names. Which is what I was getting at. You don't have a right to name someone else in a way that makes them into a social pariah. :shrug:
 
hate to break it to you, but there are black folks out there who think there is nothing wrong with the new black panthers and that blacks shouldn't marry whites or any other "race" except blacks.

And that is racism and bigotry.
 
Yep, still doesn't spare them the bullying, social exclusion etc that is experienced by individuals with "unique" names. Which is what I was getting at. You don't have a right to name someone else in a way that makes them into a social pariah. :shrug:

I agree in principle here, but application always struck me as a difficult aspect in this
 
Yep, still doesn't spare them the bullying, social exclusion etc that is experienced by individuals with "unique" names. Which is what I was getting at. You don't have a right to name someone else in a way that makes them into a social pariah. :shrug:

So now "unique" names are out? Jeeze man, what else can we not do Through edict of Haughty?

Again, you've demonstrated no harm, you have only expressed your opinion and your opinion is not enough for despotic police action against individual thought.
 

Then let me refer you to what I said above - do you think that every truck or home in the south that has a picture of or flies a Confederate flag is insinuating that slavery is perfectly okay and should be allowed? With your argument above, you're making exactly that claim.

I think they are associating themselves openly with a symbol that means just that too many many people. To pretend like that implication is not present is unrealistic. They are free to do it and I am free to think that there is a good chance they are a bigoted retard. I would not seek to deny them that right nor my right to express my opinion about their choice.

You're essentially making my case for me - it's just a "sheet of fabric", as is a Klansman uniform. The Klan is not the sheet; it's the man underneath it. You can't claim symbolism in one area and not claim it in another. You're trivializing your own argument

We are not talking about banning rights or appropriate punishment. This conversation is about opinions and judgements as individuals. I can think you are an ignorant bigot and judge you as such but have no desire to take away your right to to continue to do so or to jail you for it.
 
No, I'm just pointing out that there's tons of bigotry and ignorance to go around, even from your side.

Sure there is. So what do you do. Just ignore it?
 
Ice

Thos woman and her family are getting feath threats. Nice job of blowing it out of proportion. It's just a ****ing Halloween costume! Whats next? Burn little girls that dress like a witch at the stake?

It is not just a Halloween costume anymore than a Nazi uniform is. The people making death threats are just as distrubed as the family that put their child in the costume in the first place.
 
I think they are associating themselves openly with a symbol that means just that too many many people. To pretend like that implication is not present is unrealistic. They are free to do it and I am free to think that there is a good chance they are a bigoted retard. I would not seek to deny them that right nor my right to express my opinion about their choice.



We are not talking about banning rights or appropriate punishment. This conversation is about opinions and judgements as individuals. I can think you are an ignorant bigot and judge you as such but have no desire to take away your right to to continue to do so or to jail you for it.

Good point. I understand this, and I understand that you're going to equate something you don't like into the absolute worst thing, and project it upon other people.

Usually the people who play the race card are the first to engage is absurd levels of hyperbole. You're coming off as a bull who sees a red cape flapping in the wind at every turn.
 
Good point. I understand this, and I understand that you're going to equate something you don't like into the absolute worst thing, and project it upon other people.

Usually the people who play the race card are the first to engage is absurd levels of hyperbole. You're coming off as a bull who sees a red cape flapping in the wind at every turn.

You are coming off as someone who is made uncomfortable by the topic so you refuse to see it unless there is a burning cross or white hoodies (oh....wait)
 
You are coming off as someone who is made uncomfortable by the topic so you refuse to see it unless there is a burning cross or white hoodies (oh....wait)

How am I the one who is uncomfortable? All I'm saying is that it's a poor choice of costume, if the kid gets his ass kicked for his choice then it would be his own fault, and that (to the kid) the purpose of the costume is not necessarily rooted in bigotry.

You don't seem to have perspective in this, dear. You're wearing your blackness on your sleeve, and it compromises your objectivity. If you have a young son and I say, "He's a beautiful boy", am I racist? After all, I just called him "boy". Time to go Sharpton on me, right? No intent, no malicious purpose, but saying "boy" automatically files it under R for racism.

Racism isn't a thing. It's a belief. It's an attitude. It cannot be equated to a costume, or a burning cross, or a flag. By not doing that, you're making racism into nothing more evolved than a Pavlovian response.
 
Yep, still doesn't spare them the bullying, social exclusion etc that is experienced by individuals with "unique" names. Which is what I was getting at. You don't have a right to name someone else in a way that makes them into a social pariah. :shrug:

No, yoy don't have the right to turn someone into a social pariah because he has a unique name.
 
It is not just a Halloween costume anymore than a Nazi uniform is. The people making death threats are just as distrubed as the family that put their child in the costume in the first place.

It is just a Halloween costume. There was no racist intent,cas far as I can tell. The costume by itself isn't racist.
 
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