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Obama: "What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passed"

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CRUE CAB said:
It was only divisive to the stupid that couldnt understand what he meant.
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The same could be said of Obama's comment regarding people keeping their coverage. In context, it's a lie by omission at worst.
 
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apdst said:
He would have gotten voted out had he been honest
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If he had been honest, he never would have been voted in as President to begin with. Obama's history of lies, misdirection and spin goes back to the beginnings of his political career.
 
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TheNextEra said:
The same exact things happens when a Republican is president. There will ALWAYS be supporters that will support a president no matter what happens. This isn't exlusively a liberal thing, the right did the same thing with Bush when they voted for him a second time. They used the excuse "Well he is better than Kerry" totally ignoring the actions of the president.
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The "they all do it" point really has nothing to do with anything in a thread that is specific to one particular person.
 
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Mycroft said:
The "they all do it" point really has nothing to do with anything in a thread that is specific to one particular person.
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It is when someone tries to make it seem like only ONE side does it.
 
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WillyPete said:
That's my point. If they can't sell smart ideas to stupid people, they don't deserve to hold office.

My position is that they didn't really have any smart ideas to begin with. Crapping on the other guy's idea doesn't count.

How would I know? They appear to be too busy insulting me to try to convince me.
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The stupid you refer to are the low information voters that are crucial to the democrats getting elected. They don't care about smart ideas, they just hear what will be given to them, and have no problem believing that simple statement, but it's usually a lie and it's usually a democrat saying it. That's enough to get their vote.
But, you seem to be saying that it's the republican's fault that Obama lied because they didn't foresee it? Hard to believe that.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Yes, the libs like to point to Bush 41 doing this all the time. Yet, they never tell the story that the tax increases were a demand of the left, and he was comprimising with them. So, he gives them their tax increase and then for decades they complain that he gave them their tax increase. These are the nut bags that are the democrat party. They would not exist, but for the low information voter.
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There is one other part to that story that the liberals never want to talk about. That is that there were two sides to that compromise: One, Bush agrees to tax increases. Two, Democrats agree to spending cuts. Well, the tax increases happened (and later the Democrats hammered Bush on that), but the spending cuts didn't.

Democrats have turned lying into an art form that the Republicans will never manage to master.
 
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TheNextEra said:
It is when someone tries to make it seem like only ONE side does it.
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It doesn't matter if someone tries to make it seem like only one side does it...or that you perceive it that way. This thread has a specific topic...and it's not about the other side.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I guess it's just tough to compete with that level of lying. GOP is saying that they'll create jobs, and you have Obama saying you can keep your plan (lie), your doctor (lie), he'll cut your costs by $2500 (lie), etc...
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Maybe for you and me it would be hard, but it's a grand tradition in American politics.

Is the GOP led by professional politicians or not?
 
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TheNextEra said:
The same exact things happens when a Republican is president. There will ALWAYS be supporters that will support a president no matter what happens. This isn't exlusively a liberal thing, the right did the same thing with Bush when they voted for him a second time. They used the excuse "Well he is better than Kerry" totally ignoring the actions of the president.
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But...but...but...Bush did it!

Except in this case, Obama kied and defrauded the American people. That's a crime.
 
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Anthony60 said:
The stupid you refer to are the low information voters that are crucial to the democrats getting elected. They don't care about smart ideas, they just hear what will be given to them, and have no problem believing that simple statement, but it's usually a lie and it's usually a democrat saying it. That's enough to get their vote.
But, you seem to be saying that it's the republican's fault that Obama lied because they didn't foresee it? Hard to believe that.
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So only the Dem are capable of manipulating the electorate? Does the GOP want to win, or do they want to complain about losing?

Recent history is lopsided.
 
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TheNextEra said:
I just find it funny how foaming at the mouth partisan hacks will automatically gravitate to "He LIED" without rational thinking.
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Because for even the least astute in our society, it is obvious he lied repeatedly.

It might not seem possible that President Obama could do more harm to his credibility and the public's faith in government than misleading Americans about health insurance reform. But he can. The president is now misleading the public about his deception.
Lying About Lies: Why Credibility Matters to Obama - NationalJournal.com
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"'What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passed'"

No, that's not what you said.

You said "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan. PERIOD."

What you're NOW dishonestly claiming you said was "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan. COMMA, if it hasn't change sine the law passed"

Not to mention, the President made the claim in APRIL of 2010 that if you liked your plan you could keep it. That was after the law was passed, and that was after the date that you had to have your plan and it had to remain largely unchanged according to the law.This is just bold faced, unquestionable, flat out lying. It's no longer to the point where one can claim that, at best, it is simply dishonesty or misleading. This is flat out, bald faced, lying.
 
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Mycroft said:
It doesn't matter if someone tries to make it seem like only one side does it...or that you perceive it that way. This thread has a specific topic...and it's not about the other side.
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Don't like it report it. Otherwise pound sand. You are not a mod.
 
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zimmer said:
Because for even the least astute in our society, it is obvious he lied repeatedly.
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Your OPINION noted.
 
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WillyPete said:
The same could be said of Obama's comment regarding people keeping their coverage. In context, it's a lie by omission at worst.
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Nope, no slithering out of this one.
 
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apdst said:
But...but...but...Bush did it!

Except in this case, Obama kied and defrauded the American people. That's a crime.
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If it's a crime, arrest him. However, it isn't, but then you know that already and are just spouting off righty rhteoric. Much like the left did with Bush and saying what he did was illegal and a crime. Nothing I mentioned excuses Obama from his responsibility, I just enjoy watching the righties like you on this board go hypocritical.

Rage on my right-wing foamer, rage on!
 
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Folks, if you think someone is breaking a rule, REPORT it. If you see someone posting threadjacking bait, IGNORE it...don't contribute to the threadjack. Lets stay on topic...and "how many threads about Obama's claim about keeping your health insurance do we need" isn't the topic.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Don't like it report it. Otherwise pound sand. You are not a mod.
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LOL!!

Don't be mad, bro.

You can go ahead and talk about whatever you want here. I was just pointing out that what you were saying is irrelevant. But you certainly have a right to be irrelevant if you want.
 
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I don't understand how anyone is surprised about this. One of the main points about the ACA was raising the standards of healthcare plans to a workable minimum. Obviously, some existing plans do not meet these criteria. So, some plans are going away. If insurance companies are attempting to exploit loopholes to keep the people who had previously been on these plans from getting better ones, or are exploiting the situation to try to charge these people more, then that is definitely a problem. But ensuring that no one was stuck with a sub-par plan was part of the ACA from the beginning. So, how is this a surprise?
 
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Paschendale said:
I don't understand how anyone is surprised about this. One of the main points about the ACA was raising the standards of healthcare plans to a workable minimum. Obviously, some existing plans do not meet these criteria. So, some plans are going away. If insurance companies are attempting to exploit loopholes to keep the people who had previously been on these plans from getting better ones, or are exploiting the situation to try to charge these people more, then that is definitely a problem. But ensuring that no one was stuck with a sub-par plan was part of the ACA from the beginning. So, how is this a surprise?
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Its not what he said, and how he presented it.
And who's business is it what policy anyone has as long as they are happy with it.
I driver a 1999 Jimmy, it would be like telling me I MUST go buy a 2014 Tahoe. Whether I can afford it or not.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Its not what he said, and how he presented it.
And who's business is it what policy anyone has as long as they are happy with it.
I driver a 1999 Jimmy, it would be like telling me I MUST go buy a 2014 Tahoe. Whether I can afford it or not.
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By that same logic, who's business is it if the toy you buy for your child has lead in it so long as you are happy with it? Who's business is it if the building you work in has asbestos in it as long as you are happy with it? The obvious answer is that these things are dangerous and a powerful and profitable corporation should not be able to push inferior products that will result in people's deaths merely because they're the only game in town.
 
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Zyphlin said:
"'What We Said Was You Can Keep It If It Hasn't Changed Since The Law Passed'"

No, that's not what you said.

You said "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan. PERIOD."

What you're NOW dishonestly claiming you said was "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan. COMMA, if it hasn't change sine the law passed"

Not to mention, the President made the claim in APRIL of 2010 that if you liked your plan you could keep it. That was after the law was passed, and that was after the date that you had to have your plan and it had to remain largely unchanged according to the law.This is just bold faced, unquestionable, flat out lying. It's no longer to the point where one can claim that, at best, it is simply dishonesty or misleading. This is flat out, bald faced, lying.
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Wow, you seem to be really working hard to convince someone.

I don't think anyone believes Obama is literally denying that he said those words.

Clearly his original statement is not accurate in every case.

Do you think you'd be even more worked up if he had said "You can keep your coverage and doctor forever, even if the doctor dies, the parent corporation goes bankrupt and the hospital is burned to the ground!"?

That's what I thought he meant. I feel so betrayed.
 
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Paschendale said:
By that same logic, who's business is it if the toy you buy for your child has lead in it so long as you are happy with it? Who's business is it if the building you work in has asbestos in it as long as you are happy with it? The obvious answer is that these things are dangerous and a powerful and profitable corporation should not be able to push inferior products that will result in people's deaths merely because they're the only game in town.
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Goes back to personal responsibility. I guess I should sell all my guns, cars, race equipment, 4x4s, Jeeps, atvs, lose weight, go to the doc more often.
 
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Paschendale said:
I don't understand how anyone is surprised about this. One of the main points about the ACA was raising the standards of healthcare plans to a workable minimum. Obviously, some existing plans do not meet these criteria. So, some plans are going away. If insurance companies are attempting to exploit loopholes to keep the people who had previously been on these plans from getting better ones, or are exploiting the situation to try to charge these people more, then that is definitely a problem. But ensuring that no one was stuck with a sub-par plan was part of the ACA from the beginning. So, how is this a surprise?
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Some existing plans?? Try...upwards to 93 million! I'd say that's a bit more than "some".

In any case, insurance companies are in the business of providing a variety of products their customers will be willing to pay for. The same as any other business. Now we have the Democrats telling insurance companies...and the people...that there is only ONE product that they MUST buy.

For a lot of people...thanks to Obama's lie...that is very much a surprise.
 
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reinoe said:
That was not a good thing for Obama to say.
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Which lies? The ones back when he was selling Obamakare, or all the ones that followed thereafter until yesterday?

I'd like to ask Frau Pelosi... now that we've found out what's inside our ObamaKare Cracker Jack Box, can we return it for a refund?
 
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