• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

'Obama' wears straightjacket, crowd goes insane

apdst said:
Libbos don't believe in freedom, so I'll never expect you to agree.
Click to expand...

Yeah... I'm sure BusinessWeek is full of "libbos". Don't let the facts hurt you apdst.
 
apdst said:
So, are you saying that free speech really isnt an inalienable right; more of a privilage?
Click to expand...

Can you call your boss an asshole without consequences?
 
TheNextEra said:
Can you call your boss an asshole without consequences?
Click to expand...

A clown was banned because he wore an Obama mask and now a fuss is made about someone else wearing an Obama mask. Now the Bill of Rights has to be trotted out, definitions given, and laws have to be looked at just because a couple of people wore Presidential masks to events which were just designed to be fun.

We certainly live in uptight times.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Why?

Because one company didn't like what their employees did?

Or did NSA agents turn up and take him away, torture him, arrest his entire family and eventually have him executed (Like what would happen in a country that really had no freedom of expression).

Far right wingers like yourself can never seem to get enough of feeling victimized by something or other.
Click to expand...

So now we judge success of our freedom of expression by the standards of the third world? Brilliant.
 
Grant said:
A clown was banned because he wore an Obama mask and now a fuss is made about someone else wearing an Obama mask. Now the Bill of Rights has to be trotted out, definitions given, and laws have to be looked at just because a couple of people wore Presidential masks to events which were just designed to be fun.

We certainly live in uptight times.
Click to expand...

This was a PRIVATE Companies rules. Let me ask you, can you call your boss an asshole and not expect consequences? Does that mean they have hindered your free speech because you can't call your boss an asshole without consequences?

Same thing here, if you break the rules you face the consequences. This is no more a case of free speech being hindered than it is calling your boss an asshole and then crying that your free speech is being hindered.
 
TheNextEra said:
This was a PRIVATE Companies rules. Let me ask you, can you call your boss an asshole and not expect consequences? Does that mean they have hindered your free speech because you can't call your boss an asshole without consequences?

Same thing here, if you break the rules you face the consequences. This is no more a case of free speech being hindered than it is calling your boss an asshole and then crying that your free speech is being hindered.
Click to expand...

I don't believe that it was private company rules that were in question. The incident occurred at a private company party where everyone, or at least most, were fine with it, and awarded them third prize. The company was fine with it until some black preacher, who was not in attendance, nor had any real interest, claimed he was offended, and spoke out a few days later. Company then changed the rules retroactively.
 
jimbo said:
I don't believe that it was private company rules that were in question. The incident occurred at a private company party where everyone, or at least most, were fine with it, and awarded them third prize. The company was fine with it until some black preacher, who was not in attendance, nor had any real interest, claimed he was offended, and spoke out a few days later. Company then changed the rules retroactively.
Click to expand...

Again, if they were representing their company in ANY fashion whatsover, the company has a right to step in. I'll give an example, if I go to someplace with a group of Co-workers and reserve a spot under the company name, we are representing the company. The company I had worked for had strict rules to not do anything in the companies name that would embarrass or cause harm to the company.

Now if this was a group of people that reserved a place under someone elses name and the company was not mentioned AT ALL, then I would agree with the costume people. But given what I have read, they in fact were representing the company.
 
TheNextEra said:
Again, if they were representing their company in ANY fashion whatsover, the company has a right to step in. I'll give an example, if I go to someplace with a group of Co-workers and reserve a spot under the company name, we are representing the company. The company I had worked for had strict rules to not do anything in the companies name that would embarrass or cause harm to the company.

Now if this was a group of people that reserved a place under someone elses name and the company was not mentioned AT ALL, then I would agree with the costume people. But given what I have read, they in fact were representing the company.
Click to expand...

Again, they weren't representing their company. They were at a private party. AFIK, no one at the party has claimed to be offended.

Doesn't matter who funded the party. The offendee sure as hell didn't.
 
jimbo said:
Again, they weren't representing their company. They were at a private party. AFIK, no one at the party has claimed to be offended.

Doesn't matter who funded the party. The offendee sure as hell didn't.
Click to expand...

If they were someplace where they were representing their company (i.e. they reserved a place for "<insert company here> Costume Party) they were in fact representing the company. It doesn't matter if the attendees weren't offended, it matters what the company thinks of it.

If I grab two Co-workers and go down to a bar, get drunk and crazy, most likely nothing will happen. However, if I go to the bar and reserve a spot for "<Insert Company Here> Costume Party" I am now representing my company and need to act accordingly.
 
It's a simple question really....

If you're a business owner and you're hosting a company halloween party and someone comes dressed in KKK robes with a sign saying "Typical Tea Bagger", and it causes one of your potential customers whose at the party to be offended, do you as a business owner have a right to fire an employee you feel harmed your company? Or do you, as a business owner, not have the right to choose to cease employing one of your workers?
 
There was a Tory MP not so long ago who was fired when pictures appeared of a stag party in France showing him sitting beside another partygoer in Nazi uniform. Some might see no problem at all, some might call it guilt by association, but the party didn't want the association to be made, so there he was, gone.
 
Manc Skipper said:
There was a Tory MP not so long ago who was fired when pictures appeared of a stag party in France showing him sitting beside another partygoer in Nazi uniform. Some might see no problem at all, some might call it guilt by association, but the party didn't want the association to be made, so there he was, gone.
Click to expand...

But it was OK for prince Harry to wear a Nazi uniform.
 
Zyphlin said:
It's a simple question really....

If you're a business owner and you're hosting a company halloween party and someone comes dressed in KKK robes with a sign saying "Typical Tea Bagger", and it causes one of your potential customers whose at the party to be offended, do you as a business owner have a right to fire an employee you feel harmed your company? Or do you, as a business owner, not have the right to choose to cease employing one of your workers?
Click to expand...

A hypothetical which didn't happen. No one who was at the party claimed to de offended. The company was fine with it until some outside preacher with no real interest claimed to be offended.
 
jimbo said:
A hypothetical which didn't happen. No one who was at the party claimed to de offended. The company was fine with it until some outside preacher with no real interest claimed to be offended.
Click to expand...

It doesn't matter if anyone there was offended, it matters if the companies name was harmed in the process. YES, when you go out in public and you reserve a spot for your company party, YOU and those there are representative of that company and subject to that company's rules on it.

If this was a case of 5 people getting together on their own without naming their company in the reservation, none of this would have happened.
 
CRUE CAB said:
But it was OK for prince Harry to wear a Nazi uniform.
Click to expand...

no, it wasn't
which is why you have not seen him act so foolishly since
would not be surprised if he had a word with his grandmother about that poor choice of attire
 
jimbo said:
A hypothetical which didn't happen. No one who was at the party claimed to de offended. The company was fine with it until some outside preacher with no real interest claimed to be offended.
Click to expand...

It doesn't matter if no one at the party claimed to be offended. If the business owner felt that the employees actions harmed the company's image then it's the business owners right to cease to employ the individual OR to require the individual take remedial action if he'd like to remain employeed.
 
justabubba said:
no, it wasn't
which is why you have not seen him act so foolishly since
would not be surprised if he had a word with his grandmother about that poor choice of attire
Click to expand...

Good to know grandma had to step in and straighten out a grown man.
 
Grant said:
We certainly live in uptight times.
Click to expand...

Like those up in arms about the business owner saying "alright, no more of that" about a costume party? When you were younger, were you prancing around saying that your boss was being a big ol' meanie for making you wear that ridiculous uniform? Did you expect that your business owner bend to your will, or would such a statement be treated with a warning that the worker must obey?

Simple childishness is at work here.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom