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Why is Hillary Clinton's popularity sliding?

As I said, shrill and hysterical. And now I can add "off topic" to that list.
You brought it up. I'm not going to correct your mistakes. Mere mention of Benghazi, which is all I did, seems to have worked you up a bit. I wonder why. Do you think that full and complete disclosure of the events and policies surrounding Benghazi would accrue to Hillary's benefit, and if so, why would you be concerned that such a disclosure might happen?
 
From what I heard all the names are being kept hidden. Isn't it strange we do not even know their names. As I said this will not deter me from whomever I vote for or against, it is just something in the back of my mind. Think back through history, all the interviews of tragic events. Boston marathon, 9-11 and WTT, any hurricane or tornado, interviews up the ying yang, but yet none here. Hmm...............

None of those examples are stupid political crapstorms.
 
You brought it up. I'm not going to correct your mistakes. Mere mention of Benghazi, which is all I did, seems to have worked you up a bit. I wonder why. Do you think that full and complete disclosure of the events and policies surrounding Benghazi would accrue to Hillary's benefit, and if so, why would you be concerned that such a disclosure might happen?

I'm not especially concerned that anything particularly new will come out at this point. We know that requests for added personnel were ignored which unfortunately happens absolutely all the time when resourced are stretched tight, that it was an organized attack, that a rescue attempt by the military was impossible, and that Obama bungled the bejeezus out of the post-crisis dialogue as he is wont to do during a crisis. It was a tragedy during a wartime and we needed to figure out what happened and get the people responsible. Sure, it's just my opinion, but I really don't think you're going to find more dirt after this point.
 
Pressure from the CIA, state department, etc. Such accusations are flying pretty freely in the press and come from seemingly credible sources ...

Which sources would those be?
 
None of those examples are stupid political crapstorms.

Believe what you may, that is entirely up to you. but beware. As I said, one side doesn't care what is hidden if something is hidden and the other side won't believe that nothing was hidden if that turns out to be the case. But until the survivors go on TV with an interview, I will always have questions in my mind. I know how the government operates and have been part of it, I mean keeping secrets from the people. Nothing surprises me anymore as both parties do it to the max.
 
Believe what you may, that is entirely up to you. but beware. As I said, one side doesn't care what is hidden if something is hidden and the other side won't believe that nothing was hidden if that turns out to be the case. But until the survivors go on TV with an interview, I will always have questions in my mind. I know how the government operates and have been part of it, I mean keeping secrets from the people. Nothing surprises me anymore as both parties do it to the max.

Trust me, if the survivors come forward and don't provide dirt on Obama and Clinton then "Obama got to them." Dr. Chuckles already poisoned that particular well in post 74. To be honest, it probably wouldn't hurt in the long run if they were encouraged to come forward. Obama has tried taking the high road on matters like this before and when he finally got down from his pedestal is has actually helped him. The birth certificate issue is a good example of this.

I still don't blame the survivors for not wanting to drag themselves and their families in front of the media over this.
 
I'm not especially concerned that anything particularly new will come out at this point. We know that requests for added personnel were ignored which unfortunately happens absolutely all the time when resourced are stretched tight, that it was an organized attack, that a rescue attempt by the military was impossible, and that Obama bungled the bejeezus out of the post-crisis dialogue as he is wont to do during a crisis. It was a tragedy during a wartime and we needed to figure out what happened and get the people responsible. Sure, it's just my opinion, but I really don't think you're going to find more dirt after this point.
The GOP might be looking for dirt, but I'm just looking for the truth. Anytime we leave our State and military personell out on a limb and don't do everything possible to assist them in such situations is a cause of great concern to me. Such service by these people is given with the knowledge that we don't abandon our people, and we failed in that. I want to know why we failed, who is responsible, and what is being done to prevent it in the future. Many have served overseas in hostile areas, and you might be surprised at the number who are shocked by this incident and will remain so for a very long time. If Hillary is intent on running, I think she would benefit from a complete accounting with all the witnesses and the whole enchilada now, rather than this dogging her throughout her campaign, because it will.
 
Trust me, if the survivors come forward and don't provide dirt on Obama and Clinton then "Obama got to them." Dr. Chuckles already poisoned that particular well in post 74. To be honest, it probably wouldn't hurt in the long run if they were encouraged to come forward. Obama has tried taking the high road on matters like this before and when he finally got down from his pedestal is has actually helped him. The birth certificate issue is a good example of this.

I still don't blame the survivors for not wanting to drag themselves and their families in front of the media over this.

Until they do, I will always have doubt and as time goes by, that doubt grows with me. I don't care what Dr. Chuckles or other believe or don't. It is my mind that I worry about.
 
The GOP might be looking for dirt, but I'm just looking for the truth. Anytime we leave our State and military personell out on a limb and don't do everything possible to assist them in such situations is a cause of great concern to me. Such service by these people is given with the knowledge that we don't abandon our people, and we failed in that. I want to know why we failed, who is responsible, and what is being done to prevent it in the future. Many have served overseas in hostile areas, and you might be surprised at the number who are shocked by this incident and will remain so for a very long time. If Hillary is intent on running, I think she would benefit from a complete accounting with all the witnesses and the whole enchilada now, rather than this dogging her throughout her campaign, because it will.

Heya HB. :2wave: What accomplishment as SOS does she have? That she conducted a Friends of Syria Meeting? She was outplayed by the Russians and by her pals in the EU. Especially France. Libya is a bust. Plus she had a video made in Pakistan apologizing for Anti Muslim Video, in which she blamed for an uprising in the ME. 23 Countries worth.

She just needs to be reminded of a couple things with Benghazi.....one Stevens body being dragged thru the streets. Two.....she called and got the scoop from Hicks. But then she NEVER called back to check on her people? Not even the very next morning. As she herself testified too.

So there it is.....she wouldn't think twice about sacrificing someone. Worse is her not checking backing on those who are her people. Which we WILL make sure that is all Front and Center in her face and her supporters at all times. They can live with that fact. As I misspoke.....isn't going to work.
 
Yep. Let's hire a quitter as president.
 
Heya HB. :2wave: What accomplishment as SOS does she have? That she conducted a Friends of Syria Meeting? She was outplayed by the Russians and by her pals in the EU. Especially France. Libya is a bust. Plus she had a video made in Pakistan apologizing for Anti Muslim Video, in which she blamed for an uprising in the ME. 23 Countries worth.

She just needs to be reminded of a couple things with Benghazi.....one Stevens body being dragged thru the streets. Two.....she called and got the scoop from Hicks. But then she NEVER called back to check on her people? Not even the very next morning. As she herself testified too.

So there it is.....she wouldn't think twice about sacrificing someone. Worse is her not checking backing on those who are her people. Which we WILL make sure that is all Front and Center in her face and her supporters at all times. They can live with that fact. As I misspoke.....isn't going to work.
She can't escape it, MMC. No amount of brow beating, obfuscation and obstruction is going to stop me from wanting the answers, and like you, there are a lot of us. A whole lot. There are a ton of people who, if you handed them a pellet rifle on the night of that attack, would've taken it and gone in there to do what they could. I won't deny Hillary such accomplishments as she has, even though I don't think much of any of them. They are there for those who think they're important. I don't. The real essence of a person comes out in crisis, and she flopped. She put herself before her people, and to me that's unforgivable in a leader.
 
Dr. Chuckles already poisoned that particular well in post 74. To be honest, it probably wouldn't hurt in the long run if they were encouraged to come forward.

You mean by reiterating what is being widely reported in popular news sources? I'm not sure attacking points that you are seemingly ignorent on really casrts you as some uninterested observer here. For me, I don't put much stock in the Benghazi attacks, and have said as much already. But I am not so ideological that I am going to doscount any and all possibility that the story does have legs.



Obama has tried taking the high road on matters like this before and when he finally got down from his pedestal is has actually helped him.

lol, Obama is a consumate politician and has made his career from engaging in dirty politics.


The birth certificate issue is a good example of this.

The Birther nonsense existing does not necessitate any and all criticism of this administration is bogus. Your argument is just silly

I still don't blame the survivors for not wanting to drag themselves and their families in front of the media over this.

there could be multiple reasons why survivors haven
t come forward and even multiple reasons why agencies like the state department and the CIA are pressuring them not to(clearly the CIA has interests in maintaining secrecy beyond political interests). Only one of those reasons are political.

It's not my problem that you have a knee-jerk and ideologically monolithic response to such things.
 
She can't escape it, MMC. No amount of brow beating, obfuscation and obstruction is going to stop me from wanting the answers, and like you, there are a lot of us. A whole lot. There are a ton of people who, if you handed them a pellet rifle on the night of that attack, would've taken it and gone in there to do what they could. I won't deny Hillary such accomplishments as she has, even though I don't think much of any of them. They are there for those who think they're important. I don't. The real essence of a person comes out in crisis, and she flopped. She put herself before her people, and to me that's unforgivable in a leader.

Well.....like you I don't think credential as a First lady nor a token Senator of a State she was never part of gives her any experience for the Office of Presidency. Moreover countless times she has shown she could not control her own self emotionally that she would just react. That's not the sign of a steady leader. Nor can she bridge that divide. She will only make it worse in the Country if allowed to do so.

Although one does have to giver her credit for putting up with Bilbo's ass.
 
I'm not convinced Benghazi is the major issue many make out

Maybe not but it will certainly be mentioned. She can always fall back on the 'What difference does it make now' defense but that lacks presidential gravitas perhaps. So it\s a matter of finding some positives and I don;t see too many.

Her plan will be simple and her supporters are already gearing up. It will attack her opponents personally, to say they hate women, will murder Gays, commit euthanasia, cut someone's hair in high school, and so on. They will Bork and Palin whoever it might be.

If the ability to navigate washington was simply dependent on aids then some one inexperienced like Obama shouldn't be having so much issue with it.
Hillary's camp was the first to tell the truth about Obama though his camp was the one able to capitalize on it.
 
Well.....like you I don't think credential as a First lady nor a token Senator of a State she was never part of gives her any experience for the Office of Presidency. Moreover countless times she has shown she could not control her own self emotionally that she would just react. That's not the sign of a steady leader. Nor can she bridge that divide. She will only make it worse in the Country if allowed to do so.

Although one does have to giver her credit for putting up with Bilbo's ass.
I have some empathy for her as Bill's spouse as well. Tough job there, but she did ask for it, and they're both quite wealthy as a result. I've had some serious doubts about a lot of the candidates for that office of late, both left and right, and my doubts have been confirmed by recent presidents. I'm not about to give Hillary a free pass, either, any more than I would any of the other potential candidates. She's not shown a steady, steadfast hand in matters, and there's the lying weasel aspect I'll never overlook. Dodging sniper fire - give me a break.
 
I have some empathy for her as Bill's spouse as well. Tough job there, but she did ask for it, and they're both quite wealthy as a result. I've had some serious doubts about a lot of the candidates for that office of late, both left and right, and my doubts have been confirmed by recent presidents. I'm not about to give Hillary a free pass, either, any more than I would any of the other potential candidates. She's not shown a steady, steadfast hand in matters, and there's the lying weasel aspect I'll never overlook. Dodging sniper fire - give me a break.

Agreed.....that BS with Romney saying Christie is needed to save the party and the country is a crock.
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CNN should know what happened in Benghazi better than Obama or Hillary. They arrived before the US Military and while Barrackary was still claiming it was a Youtube video.

If they ever have a meeting to discover what happened in Benghazi, CNN should be allowed to testify.
 
I have some empathy for her as Bill's spouse as well. Tough job there, but she did ask for it, and they're both quite wealthy as a result. I've had some serious doubts about a lot of the candidates for that office of late, both left and right, and my doubts have been confirmed by recent presidents. I'm not about to give Hillary a free pass, either, any more than I would any of the other potential candidates. She's not shown a steady, steadfast hand in matters, and there's the lying weasel aspect I'll never overlook. Dodging sniper fire - give me a break.

The funniest thing about Hillary is that she lies about the small stuff as well as the big stuff. Why tell the people of New Zealand that she was named after Sir Edmond Hillary when anyone can check that he climbed Everest well after she was born.

Unless her parents named her after a Kiwi greengrocer her silly story was bound to be discovered. Obama's stories about his younger years are just as bad, and have been well documented.
 
Hillary Clinton left the State Department with a sky-high approval rating. With her broad appeal and presumed White House ambitions, the conventional wisdom, supported by early polls, suggested she would roll to the Democratic nomination in 2016 and then trounce whomever Republicans trotted out to face her.

Yet less than a year removed from her old job, Clinton's popularity has fallen from its once-lofty heights, according to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll out this week.

Why is Hillary Clinton's popularity sliding?


It is sliding because she played on the dishonest team.

Personally I'm against it because I don't think I can stomach another Clinton, or Bush for that matter, in office. Oligarchy?
 
Agreed.....that BS with Romney saying Christie is needed to save the party and the country is a crock.
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Christie isn't the guy. Never was, and never will be. Romney wasn't, even though he was better than the alternative. That's not saying much. I'll keep my powder dry until somebody shows up on the scene who'll straighten out our foreign policy, get our troops out of every stinking conflagration that comes along, get the country back on a financially and fiscally sound track, and stops this ridiculous regulation of what I have for breakfast and everything else I do. It's none of their flucking business. Haven't seen anybody viable like that yet, but it's early.
 
The funniest thing about Hillary is that she lies about the small stuff as well as the big stuff. Why tell the people of New Zealand that she was named after Sir Edmond Hillary when anyone can check that he climbed Everest well after she was born.

Unless her parents named her after a Kiwi greengrocer her silly story was bound to be discovered. Obama's stories about his younger years are just as bad, and have been well documented.
It's all about painting a false image to those who'll believe whatever they're told. If it gets them more than it costs them, they go with it. Liars and crooks seem to go hand in hand.
 
She was probably the best candidate of the entire dem/GOP field in 2008. That is NOT a positive comment on HC so much as it is an indictment on the entire field in 2008. Now...why is she unpopular? She is a liar...but then so are most politicians. She has avoided any responsibility and leadership in her most recent government role...maybe people are tired of the I didnt know, it wasnt my fault, and besides, it doesnt MATTER schtick. Her comments throughout the Benghazi hearings were ludicrous. AS the head of the Dept of State she didnt know who ignored known specific terrorist threats? She didnt know who failed to act on this emails requesting assistance? She didnt know which of her own people offered up the ludicrous lie about the protests being really nothing more than a reaction to some unknown and poorly done video on youtube and who fed that lie to the UN leadership, the WH, her self? She never bothered to find out who?

Horse****. She lied. Might just be that people are tired of the same old schtick. Or...it MIGHT be that people see in her the same thing people saw in Barrack Obama. Barrack Obama was not elected because he was the best candidate. He was elected because he was, in the words of Joe Biden, a clean, articulate, well spoken black man. Finally...they found one of those to run. Now...Hillary isnt black, but she is a woman and I reckon she is clean enough. Her voice is grating...but that wont matter. She is a woman and when she is trotted out she will be embraced, regardless of her record, regardless of her character and nature.WHen people talk lovingly of Hillary for president...how many people talk about her record? How many talk about her actual qualifications?
best answer I've read here so far.
She gets to be the first woman president..whoopie..Bengazi was more then about lieing, it was (IMHO -though stonewalled by the CIA) weapons smuggling rockets to Syrian battlfield.

She and Susan Rice both lied about the "Viagra rape: by Qaddafi too:
Nato leaders, opposition groups and the media have produced a stream of stories since the start of the insurrection on 15 February, claiming the Gaddafi regime has ordered mass rapes, used foreign mercenaries and employed helicopters against civilian protesters.

An investigation by Amnesty International has failed to find evidence for these human rights violations and in many cases has discredited or cast doubt on them. It also found indications that on several occasions the rebels in Benghazi appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence.

The findings by the investigators appear to be at odds with the views of the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, who two weeks ago told a press conference that "we have information that there was a policy to rape in Libya those who were against the government. Apparently he [Colonel Gaddafi] used it to punish people."

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last week said she was "deeply concerned" that Gaddafi's troops were participating in widespread rape in Libya. "Rape, physical intimidation, sexual harassment, and even so-called 'virginity tests' have taken place in countries throughout the region," she said

Amnesty questions claim that Gaddafi ordered rape as weapon of war - Africa - World - The Independent
In regards to the CIA annex in Bengazi being a base to smuggle weapond to Syria, it is constantly stonewalled by the CIA -

Moreover, the CNN report alludes to the CIA supplying “surface-to-air missiles” from Benghazi to rebels in Syria, but this may only be the tip of the iceberg. The report goes on to state:

Sources now tell CNN dozens of people working for the CIA were on the ground that night, and that the agency is going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing, remains a secret.
CNN has learned the CIA is involved in what one source calls an unprecedented attempt to keep the spy agency’s Benghazi secrets from ever leaking out.

Since January, some CIA operatives involved in the agency’s missions in Libya, have been subjected to frequent, even monthly polygraph examinations, according to a source with deep inside knowledge of the agency’s workings.
The goal of the questioning, according to sources, is to find out if anyone is talking to the media or Congress. It is being described as pure intimidation, with the threat that any unauthorized CIA employee who leaks information could face the end of his or her career.


Speculation on Capitol Hill has included the possibility the U.S. agencies operating in Benghazi were secretly helping to move surface-to-air missiles out of Libya, through Turkey, and into the hands of Syrian rebels CIA Gun-running, Qatar-Libya-Syria. | Global Research
there is more about Qatar, and various sources - it's fairly evident Hillary was coving this up - maybe at her boss's request (Obama), or just because the CIA and State worked together to provide covert ops in Libya.
The whole thing is a sordid mess, and I will not vote for her.
 
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