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Nearly 1.5 Million Lose Health Insurance Due to ObamaCare

Smeagol said:
I honestly don't know. I just think it might make sense now for insurance companies to discontinue offering individual policies outside of a group.
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So, you know even less about your magical law? You didn't know that under Obamascare, that any change to a policy voids it's grandfather status?
 
apdst said:
So, you know even less about your magical law? You didn't know that under Obamascare, that any change to a policy voids it's grandfather status?
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No, I didn't.

I don't think the ACA is necessarily the best thing ever, I just try to be as objective and as fair as possible. Is 30 million Americans with no access to healthcare except the ER a problem? Yes. Would I have addressed the problem differently? Yes. Will the ACA improve things? Maybe, time will tell.

What I find troubling is the culture in Washington where our leaders refuse to work together in the best interest of the country. "The complete repeal of 'Obamacare'" campaign instead of "good initial effort but lets make these adjustments" until its obvious its not going to be repealed for example says to me Republicans are more interested in seeing President Obama go down in history as a failure than working to make life better for the American people. Remember, it was the Republicans who came up with the idea of an individual mandate. I also find it hilarious that the people crying foul that "they" are being forced to buy something they don't want is a lie because they already have health insurance in the vast majority of cases. I find it hilarious that the people supposedly furious that the healthcare.gov website couldn't handle the traffic and crashed never planned to actually use it to get health insurance because they already have health insurance from their jobs in the vast majority of cases. They're just obsessed with bashing anything having to do with the administration. Of course, I'm not talking about all and I'm only sharing my perceptions.

BTW: I was flicking through channels the other night and saw something very interesting. We've heard the polling data that most Americans are against the ACA and only a minority of Americans actually support it. Guess what? I didn't write down the numbers so these are just best recollection estimates but of the going on 60% of Americans who are against it, close to 20% don't like it because they prefer single payer and don't think it goes far enough. Subtract that +/-20% of single payer advocates that the right assumed were on their side and add it with the +/-40% who say they support the ACA and most Americans are against the political right on healthcare.
 
Smeagol said:
No, I didn't.

I don't think the ACA is necessarily the best thing ever, I just try to be as objective and as fair as possible. Is 30 million Americans with no access to healthcare except the ER a problem? Yes. Would I have addressed the problem differently? Yes. Will the ACA improve things? Maybe, time will tell.

What I find troubling is the culture in Washington where our leaders refuse to work together in the best interest of the country. "The complete repeal of 'Obamacare'" campaign instead of "good initial effort but lets make these adjustments" until its obvious its not going to be repealed for example says to me Republicans are more interested in seeing President Obama go down in history as a failure than working to make life better for the American people. Remember, it was the Republicans who came up with the idea of an individual mandate. I also find it hilarious that the people crying foul that "they" are being forced to buy something they don't want is a lie because they already have health insurance in the vast majority of cases. I find it hilarious that the people supposedly furious that the healthcare.gov website couldn't handle the traffic and crashed never planned to actually use it to get health insurance because they already have health insurance from their jobs in the vast majority of cases. They're just obsessed with bashing anything having to do with the administration. Of course, I'm not talking about all and I'm only sharing my perceptions.

BTW: I was flicking through channels the other night and saw something very interesting. We've heard the polling data that most Americans are against the ACA and only a minority of Americans actually support it. Guess what? I didn't write down the numbers so these are just best recollection estimates but of the going on 60% of Americans who are against it, close to 20% don't like it because they prefer single payer and don't think it goes far enough. Subtract that +/-20% of single payer advocates that the right assumed were on their side and add it with the +/-40% who say they support the ACA and most Americans are against the political right on healthcare.
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Isn't necessarily the best thing ever?!? :lamo

It's a goat ****!! And, I believe the American people deserve better.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I'd be very curious to know why the cancellations were handed out. It's easy to screw your customer and blame Obamacare, but it sure would be nice to know how exactly Obamacare forced the companies to cancel plans. My guess is the companies canceled the plans and are using Obamacare as a scapegoat.

But I'd be willing to listen to whatever the truth is, if only the details were ever reported on this....
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It's quite simple...the plan they bought, and are happy with, does not meet the ACA guidelines for minimum insurance. So, the 27 year old guy that has, essentially, catastrophe coverage....needs to update his policy so it covers prenatal care, mammograms and IUDs....at a much higher cost.
 
Fisher said:
People who are losing their policies should be able to turn around and buy policies via the exchanges.
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That wouldn't exactly fit "If you like your policy, you can keep your policy. Period." now, does it?

Your point is irrelevant.
 
mac said:
That wouldn't exactly fit "If you like your policy, you can keep your policy. Period." now, does it?

Your point is irrelevant.
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Irrelevant to those who just want to bash Obama instead of looking at life realistically perhaps.
 
Obama said that if you liked your plan you can keep it, but he didn't say the insurance companies had to keep offering it.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yea..... It claims that the source for this story and data is "the National Center for Public Policy Research" but you click on it and it goes to "conservativeblog.org" then from there, there is no mention or source for the "National Center for Public Policy Research"...
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I don't know. But I was watching CNN over lunch and they reported that the number of total policies that would be cancelled would end up in the 11-15 million range when all is said and done. Granted that quite a lot of those are the policies that didn't meet the new law's standard. Now CNN isn't any conservative blog or even FOX news.
 
azgreg said:
Obama said that if you liked your plan you can keep it, but he didn't say the insurance companies had to keep offering it.
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And it's those types of "half-truths" that are actually worse than lies IMO. When you create an environment that many people lose their current plans, that isn't "if you liked your plan you can keep it".

That's like saying "If you like your home, you can keep it", but then raise property taxes 600%.
 
TheNextEra said:
And it's those types of "half-truths" that are actually worse than lies IMO. When you create an environment that many people lose their current plans, that isn't "if you liked your plan you can keep it".

That's like saying "If you like your home, you can keep it", but then raise property taxes 600%.
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I agree, I was just saying........:)
 
I certainly hope so. Whatever steps necessary towards single payer and an end to HMOs holding our health hostage.
 
Since the lying pig Obama KNEW he was not telling the truth he painted a picture for us. Now since he knew and the administration is saying in effect he "misspoke" why did they not catch this "error" when he said it? Why is it coming to the front now that peopled are getting screwed by our prez. Right now 20% of Americans are going to be chopped up by this insane legislation which by the way passed without it being read with millions more to come. Well, it's being RED now isn't it?

The best thing about this all is it ups the republicans chances to take back the White House come 2016.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yea..... It claims that the source for this story and data is "the National Center for Public Policy Research" but you click on it and it goes to "conservativeblog.org" then from there, there is no mention or source for the "National Center for Public Policy Research"...
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I googled it and got amounts from hundreds of thousands to 2 million to 7 million. Does anybody really know? And however many it is, they are being redirected to a sight that offers much better plans than the one they had.
 
Fisher said:
Irrelevant to those who just want to bash Obama instead of looking at life realistically perhaps.
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No, just irrelevant. He lied to get his bill passed. Blatantly.
 
azgreg said:
Obama said that if you liked your plan you can keep it, but he didn't say the insurance companies had to keep offering it.
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Yeah, pretty much how it's always been. I'm glad conservatives want to restrict the ability of insurance companies to cancel policies. Wait . . . they don't
 
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