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Obamacare Operator Fired After Taking Call From Hannity; Hannity To Give Her A Year's

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vesper said:
So when you tell the truth, it becomes talking ****?
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First of all, this person has no idea whether ObamneyCare is working on a program wide basis. So calling what she said "truth" is about as subjective as it gets. Let's be honest, she's one step above a telemarketer - so her insight as to whether the program is working is personal and not based on any information she has gathered by examining results from other operators.

Second, even if she is telling the truth, she's not an authorized spokesperson for the program. So she had absolutely no business discussing it from a professional standpoint.

Third, even if she had been a spokesperson, she still wouldn't have been authorized to give an interview that would put the program in a negative light.

Once you get past the knee-jerk reactions and your clearly partisan understanding of the events, I hope you can examine this from a professional standpoint. It would help you a lot.
 
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DiAnna said:
:lamo



Oh, please, you throw out a snarky post implying "lefties" are too stupid to understand the difference between private sector and public sector, then you sit there with wide, innocent eyes pretending you didn't intend it as an insult? If you refuse to own what you say, perhaps you should spend a bit more time in thoughtful contemplation before you actually decide to... you know... say it? :lol:

Anyway, I'm done here. No need to actually derail the thread. Carry on.
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DiAnna, you're wasting your breath. I'd rather be a "lefty" than somebody who hides their political lean on a forum. It's about as intellectually dishonest as it gets for some posters to pretend they're something else.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
So a bunch of photoshopped images and random coincidence shots are the reason you refer to President Obama so favorably?
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No, but rather the reinforcement they received on the left.

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This kind of stuff, for example.

Newsweek Editor: Obama Sort Of God
Chris Matthews: I Will Help Obama, My Leg Still Tingles
Listen to Stevie Wonder lead the crowd in a religious-style chant of Barack Obama's name
I Pledge Allegiance to Barack Obama ad campaign
Let's talk about change while singing and chanting O-Ba-Ma

The absolute hagiography that accompanied the 2008 campaign was as creepy as it was repellant and disturbing.
 
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Hatuey said:
First of all, this person has no idea whether ObamneyCare is working on a program wide basis. So calling what she said "truth" is about as subjective as it gets. Let's be honest, she's one step above a telemarketer - so her insight as to whether the program is working is personal and not based on any information she has gathered by examining results from other operators.

Second, even if she is telling the truth, she's not an authorized spokesperson for the program. So she had absolutely no business discussing it from a professional standpoint.

Third, even if she had been a spokesperson, she still wouldn't have been authorized to give an interview that would put the program in a negative light.

Once you get past the knee-jerk reactions and your clearly partisan understanding of the events, I hope you can examine this from a professional standpoint. It would help you a lot.
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Had you bothered to actually listen to what she said, she didn't offer an opinion on the plan. Hannity asked her if people liked the process and she said "not really." Now I suggest you professionally find a sound clip and listen to what she said.
 
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I reserve judgment on her termination. What would be relevant were her responsibilities and authority when hired and the training she received as it related to her employer's expectations. Typically, though, an operator directs calls to appropriate people or departments. Hence, a call such as Sean Hannity's would have been directed to the PR or media relations contact or department. If she were not made aware of her responsibilities and reasonably could not have known how to handle the call, something short of dismissal e.g., a warning or probation might have been appropriate. If, however, she had been made aware of her specific responsibilities and should reasonably have known to direct the call to the PR or Media Relations person/department, then dismissal would have been reasonable.

In any case, it's good to learn that Sean Hannity provided her a year's salary and helped arrange job opportunities for her.
 
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vesper said:
So when you tell the truth, it becomes talking ****? The woman answered the questions honestly and got fired for it. The end.
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He is right. Some years ago human resources pulled me into the office over a vague facebook post. At that time my facebook was open to see but some of my not so friendly coworkers who weren't my friends, read a post of mine in which they thought I was talking about a patient that came in shot. Mind you hospitals have a strict code on patient privacy. Long story short my post was too vague to determine if I violated HIPAA. if I did mention the patient, condition or name I would be suspended and fired. That is the same with openly stating my displeasure for my job. Most likely I would either get written up or fired regardless if it's the truth. Most companies don't want their associates bad.mouthing them.
 
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Hatuey said:
First of all, this person has no idea whether ObamneyCare is working on a program wide basis. So calling what she said "truth" is about as subjective as it gets. Let's be honest, she's one step above a telemarketer - so her insight as to whether the program is working is personal and not based on any information she has gathered by examining results from other operators.
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The questions she answered were directly related to her position.
Second, even if she is telling the truth, she's not an authorized spokesperson for the program. So she had absolutely no business discussing it from a professional standpoint.
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All she did was answer the questions honestly and to the best of her ability.
Third, even if she had been a spokesperson, she still wouldn't have been authorized to give an interview that would put the program in a negative light.
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What was there to hide? Everyone unless you live in a cave already knew of the ridiculous mess.
Once you get past the knee-jerk reactions and your clearly partisan understanding of the events, I hope you can examine this from a professional standpoint. It would help you a lot.
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You know maybe you should get over yours. You have a problem that the woman wasn't going to lie and prop up a dead horse and made your political party look incompetent.
And the biggest pill to swallow is the leftists' arch enemy Hannity, broke the story.

Well honesty does pay, looks like Hannity is paying her wages for a year and has lined up some job interviews for her. Sweet!
 
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DiAnna said:
:lamo



Oh, please, you throw out a snarky post implying "lefties" are too stupid to understand the difference between private sector and public sector, then you sit there with wide, innocent eyes pretending you didn't intend it as an insult? If you refuse to own what you say, perhaps you should spend a bit more time in thoughtful contemplation before you actually decide to... you know... say it? :lol:

Anyway, I'm done here. No need to actually derail the thread. Carry on.
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Leaving so soon? Ta Ta :2razz:
 
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vesper said:
That wasn't an insult but a fact. Many on the left have blurred the boundaries between public and private sectors. It is why so many can overlook cronyism and still call it a free market. Bottom line if something is being funded by the taxpayers, the people have a right to have their questions answered freely and unfettered.
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And the right wingers desire to have govt be run like a business gets thrown under the bus
 
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Slyfox696 said:
So a bunch of photoshopped images and random coincidence shots are the reason you refer to President Obama so favorably?
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Well, the sarcasm had escaped you...

I was talking about the imagery used... And while he was campaigning he referred to himself as superman (and if his was intended not so much as superman that we all know and love, but rather the nietzschian superman, then that analogy holds a drastically different implication)

But of course you spend, what was it, 20 million campaigning... And you think that these types of images are "coincidence"??

If that's the case, I should let you in on this little investment... It's a deal I got with the Nigerian prince... If you split the investment of 5000 with me, I will share the 20million the prince has promised me....
 
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sawdust said:
Hannity asked her if people liked the process and she said "not really."
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Still her opinion. She hasn't spoken to everyone using the program and gave a generalized opinion on the people using the program. :shrug:
 
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vesper said:
The questions she answered were directly related to her position.
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Irrelevant to what I stated.

All she did was answer the questions honestly and to the best of her ability.
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Which she had no business doing. Why don't you understand this? Do you have your own business? It doesn't sound as if you do. Tell me, do you think the teenagers working at Wal-Mart can to speak to media about their ****ty working experience and then expect to have jobs?

What was there to hide? Everyone unless you live in a cave already knew of the ridiculous mess.
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No true Scottsman? Hahaha.

You know maybe you should get over yours. You have a problem that the woman wasn't going to lie and prop up a dead horse and made your political party look incompetent.
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Lol - my knee-jerk reaction? I'm not the one going on about how she's some hero truth teller. She broke basic professional ethics regardless of how you look at it. She would have been fired in any work environment whether or not she was telling the truth.

And the biggest pill to swallow is the leftists' arch enemy Hannity, broke the story.

Well honesty does pay, looks like Hannity is paying her wages for a year and has lined up some job interviews for her. Sweet!
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Spare me your fluffing of Hannity's qualities. By the end of the week, she'll still be without a job, and he'll find someone else to get his ratings from. :shrug:
 
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interesting conversation we are seeing here.

because politics is present here, we are seeing Obama supporters defend the practice of summary termination that we generally see in right to work environments... and totally vacate their traditional support for labor by cheering on her summary termination ... especially interesting is because she was fired for being forthright, something i thought we would all agree government employees are ethically and morally bound to be..
I wonder if they would support her being dishonest with callers?... obviously that would be the case, seeing how pissed they are at her being honest.

this is why politics is interesting to me

as an aside, I too believe she should be fired.... but my position is rather consistent in regards to labor.
 
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Lutherf said:
Apparently it was because she had the audacity to tell the truth when Hannity asked if people liked the process.
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and in current fashion, they don't fire the policy makers who didn't anticipate this or anyone in management who failed to see it be instructed during training they fired the little guy who was just trying to get by...

But then again, I don't feel sorry for collaborators -- she should have her head shaved and be stripped bare in the public square...
 
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ChezC3 said:
and in current fashion, they don't fire the policy makers who didn't anticipate this or anyone in management who failed to see it be instructed during training they fired the little guy who was just trying to get by...

But then again, I don't feel sorry for collaborators -- she should have her head shaved and be stripped bare in the public square...
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Sorry but the fact they didn't fire one person for wrongdoing and not the other, doesn't excuse the wrongdoing of the person fired. The person fired was rightfully fired. You have a good point on others not being fired, but that doesn't excuse the person that was fired. That's like saying "I shouldn't have gotten the speeding ticket because other people were speeding too".
 
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TheNextEra said:
Sorry but the fact they didn't fire one person for wrongdoing and not the other, doesn't excuse the wrongdoing of the person fired. The person fired was rightfully fired. You have a good point on others not being fired, but that doesn't excuse the person that was fired. That's like saying "I shouldn't have gotten the speeding ticket because other people were speeding too".
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Actually that would be like justifying a speeding ticket where no speed limit was given...
 
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ChezC3 said:
Actually that would be like justifying a speeding ticket where no speed limit was given...
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But in this case there was a speed limit. Everyone knows government policy on commenting on opinion publicly as if it were fact, you don't do it. This person was not privy to ALL information to state something as fact. This person was rightfully fired and WASN'T AUTHORIZED to COMMENT TO PUBLIC and others should have been fired as well (those that were directly responsible in the government on this roll-out).

I'm not excusing other people from being fired, I'm just saying this person was rightfully fired. I think others should ALSO be rightfully fired and am in support of heads rolling on why they weren't.
 
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TheNextEra said:
But in this case there was a speed limit. Everyone knows government policy on commenting on opinion publicly as if it were fact, you don't do it. This person was not privy to ALL information to state something as fact. This person was rightfully fired and WASN'T AUTHORIZED to COMMENT TO PUBLIC and others should have been fired as well (those that were directly responsible in the government on this roll-out).

I'm not excusing other people from being fired, I'm just saying this person was rightfully fired. I think others should ALSO be rightfully fired and am in support of heads rolling on why they weren't.
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Well, fair enough, like I said, I don't sympathize with collaborators...:shrug:
 
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ChezC3 said:
Well, fair enough, like I said, I don't sympathize with collaborators...:shrug:
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Well like I said, there is one thing in rallying behind people being fired for wrongfully, but in this case someone was fired rightfully. I'm all for firing EVERYONE for wrongdoing including the person fired.
 
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vesper said:
That wasn't an insult but a fact. Many on the left have blurred the boundaries between public and private sectors. It is why so many can overlook cronyism and still call it a free market. Bottom line if something is being funded by the taxpayers, the people have a right to have their questions answered freely and unfettered.
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The woman, Erling Davis was likely working for a private non-profit organization.

https://localhelp.healthcare.gov/#a...r=0&shop_filter=0&chip_filter=0&navc_filter=1


Many on the left have blurred the boundaries between public and private sectors.
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Many on the right probably don't know what a NPO is.
 
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It's pretty obvious that she was fired for talking to the media about her job and was bad-mouthing her employer. I don't really see how anyone could look at it any other way without revealing themselves to be ignorant partisans.

edit: and I listened to the call btw. I knew she was going to be fired as soon as Hannity mentioned that he was calling.

For those who don't know, every call center I've ever been to or had friends work at mentioned that there's no talking to the media or allowing for the recording of phone calls. This woman was denser than a brick if she thinks that it was appropriate to talk to the media.
 
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Hatuey said:
The point he was trying to make to make is that "we the people" have a right to answers, and that is entirely meaningless to the reason she was fired. She was fired for the same reason anybody who breaks any company's P-M/R policy would be. It's common sense to not speak badly of your superiors REGARDLESS of what field you work in. This lady should have known that. Hannity giving her charity is nothing more than trying to make up for being the asshole who egged her into getting fired. All so he could get media ratings and a paycheck from sponsors.
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I think you made an excellent point. Hannity got the woman fired and felt guilty enough to spend over 2/3 of the interview trying to make it up to her by giving her money and trying to find her a new job.




Single mom with two kids making 26K a year for a full time job puts her barely above the poverty line. Well, at least now she can get health insurance with or without a job.
 
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Hatuey said:
Still her opinion. She hasn't spoken to everyone using the program and gave a generalized opinion on the people using the program. :shrug:
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Not her opinion. She stated anecdotal evidence based on her experience.
 
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