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Premiums for young healthy people will jump in 45 states under Obamacare

CriticalThought said:
Nothing is free. Somebody has to pay. I don't like it anymore than you do, but until euthanasia enters the discussion, here we are.
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How about people pay according to their risk for needing healthcare? You know.... like car insurance....... :roll:
 
ReformCollege said:
How about people pay according to their risk for needing healthcare? You know.... like car insurance....... :roll:
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I believe this is the model the ACA wants to move away from...
 
CriticalThought said:
Heritage Foundation? Really?

I'm tired of these stats. Here is the truth. Premiums are going to increase, first off because the Obama plans cover more than the high deductible plans most younger folk receive. Not a single one of these articles I have read actually compares comparable plans. They take the cheapest currently available high deductible plan and compare it to the Obama plan with higher coverage and argue that it is proof of massive premium increases. Comparing apples to oranges is dishonest at best, but most Americans have so little understanding of basic statistics they don't even see it.
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I am sure the 27 - 35 year old males will love to pay for maternity care and all the other coverages they could never possible use.

Does anybody on this board know a young person that is willing to go into thei program and pay more instead of paying the fine at tax time?

Anybody?
 
ReformCollege said:
How about people pay according to their risk for needing healthcare? You know.... like car insurance....... :roll:
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It will most likely end up that way. Otherwise there will be a mass exodus of young people from states where the overall population is older.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I believe this is the model the ACA wants to move away from...
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Obviously..... though I'm not sure why. Its not like we ever had that model in the first place. Actually, if anything, the model we HAVE been trying is get everyone else to pay for your healthcare. That's the model that has been tried and failed in this country.
 
CriticalThought said:
It will most likely end up that way. Otherwise there will be a mass exodus of young people from states where the overall population is older.
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From countries* you mean.
 
CriticalThought said:
It will most likely end up that way. Otherwise there will be a mass exodus of young people from states where the overall population is older.
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And by the way, it won't be that way as long as the ACA remains law.
 
CriticalThought said:
Huh? Did you mean "counties"?
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No, I meant countries. I would happily move my ass completely out of this country as soon as I graduate the way things are going right now.
 
ReformCollege said:
And by the way, it won't be that way as long as the ACA remains law.
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This whole "all or nothing" approach really does not impress people. Most Americans have enough common sense to know you can patch up the law without having to completely repeal it.
 
upsideguy said:
That's a crock! Do you want to produce evidence that the ACA is making people get of out of their homes? No, because you can't. You would rather blame Obama for everything that is wrong in life, including the weather and the Giants 0-6 start.

The federal government has cut aid to states and local governments, which means states and local governments have raised taxes. This is largely driven by your friends on the right side of the aisle. I have yet to understand why the Cons never come to grips with the consequences of their actions.

Sorry, but the world demands a more discerning mind....
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The left always drives higher taxes and interest, that is documented by the last democrat in office and the one before him. I can only tell you what the two homeowners told me when I bought their houses. Neither could keep up with their mortgages/insurance/taxes and maintain health coverage under the new rules. One of them will be paying double his mortgage payment in 2014 for healthcare. Obama is succeeding in creating a poorer society.
 
CriticalThought said:
This whole "all or nothing" approach really does not impress people. Most Americans have enough common sense to know you can patch up the law without having to completely repeal it.
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The things I want to patch would change the intent of the law completely.
 
Mason66 said:
I am sure the 27 - 35 year old males will love to pay for maternity care and all the other coverages they could never possible use.

Does anybody on this board know a young person that is willing to go into thei program and pay more instead of paying the fine at tax time?

Anybody?
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There doesn't seem to be any shortage of people on this forum who support Obamacare, but nobody here seems to have joined it. I wonder why that is?
 
tech30528 said:
There doesn't seem to be any shortage of people on this forum who support Obamacare, but nobody here seems to have joined it. I wonder why that is?
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Why would anybody? I bet Obama thinks even Young people just have thousands of extra dollars laying around they can use to buy health insurance.

First it is known that Young people are having trouble getting Jobs, then he tries to put the whole of the health care system on their backs. It is great that some younger people can stay on their mommies policy until 26, but a lot of Young people don't have a family that has health insurance, so they are left out in the cold to try to make enough to pay for Obamacare and eat.
 
Obama, a health insurance company's best friend. :roll: I think we all knew this stupid healthcare plan would NOT help decrease costs.
 
Didn't Obama run on "Spend Baby, Spend!"?
 
tech30528 said:
There doesn't seem to be any shortage of people on this forum who support Obamacare, but nobody here seems to have joined it. I wonder why that is?
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Because many of them have employer coverage, spouse coverage, or are on their parent's coverage.
 
Rocketman said:
Less federal program money is available to the state and municipals thus they raise taxes on their constituents to make up the difference. Everyone giving Obama credit for lowering taxes is hogwash as almost everyone has their overall taxes raise over the last 6 years.

Higher property taxes, ACA tax coupled with higher premiums with lower coverage is making people get out of their homes. We bought several in 08, 2 in 10', and three this past year, two of those were from the owners and now we rent them to those same people.
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Hyperbole much? I have a feeling a lot more people lost their homes because their insurance wouldn't cover certain procedures and so they filed for bankruptcy.
 
reinoe said:
Hyperbole much? I have a feeling a lot more people lost their homes because their insurance wouldn't cover certain procedures and so they filed for bankruptcy.
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they are all healthy and still working, pull **** out of your butt much?
 
tech30528 said:
Well I didn't create this system. I also didn't buy in to going to college on a student loan. I don't subscribe to the common perception that living in debt is normal. I don't have any credit cards, car payments, mortgage or student debt. In fact I don't pay interest to anybody. I started my own business and provide jobs for others, but I don't hire kids. They are largely irresponsible and have an inflated slf worth. In fact I have never hired anyone younger than I am. Not entirely on purpose, there have been a couple I thought were younger until we filled out the paperwork. Thing is today's youth got us in to our current mess because they fell for Obama's sales pitch. So the future you inherit is yours. Enjoy it, you've earned it by not considering the long term consequences.
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Interesting you blame today's youth for the decades of bad decisions that were made before they were born. Good call. Great insight.
 
calamity said:
Insurance is a pool. If we are to allow old sick people coverage, then young healthy ones have to pay more. Is it fair? No. But, what in life is?

Personally, I'd be self employed if not for the group healthcare. Over the past ten years or so, if I were to have covered myself and family, I'd have paid 5X as much, out of pocket, and have crappier coverage. Now, under the new scheme, I might be breaking even. Group covereages will weaken and cost more while rates for the 50-plus on individual plans may strengthen. This may open up an opportunity for me to go back into my own business.
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What was that business? Didn't you mention you were chased out by newer technology? For some reason I was thinking you did those intricate airbrush paint jobs on vehicles and got priced out by printed wraps.
 
JRSaindo said:
Still cheaper
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Cheaper yes, but it doesn't mean you are covered. Assuming you support this new law it seems odd that you would avoid playing your part. If you support it it is your responsibility to participate for the good of others.
 
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