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House GOP leaders scramble to pass plan

I'm curious - do the liberal apologists here on DP not see the hypocrisy of Democrats, including Obama, moaning and groaning that the US will implode if the debt ceiling isn't raised, yet they consistently say no to approving a bill from the House to do so that includes any tweaks to the application of the ACA. In other words, the Democrats and the President are saying that the failed and disasterous ACA, a bill that has been badly received, poorly implemented, and waived for a large segment of the population is more important than the financial well being of the nation.
 
If the Senate gives in to the GOP blackmail on the debt ceiling, there will be political chaos for years to come. It will open the floodgates of any majority party in the House threatening to shut down the economy whenever they don't like some law or policy they can't overturn by legislation.

So I support the Senate Democrats on this. If the GOP wants to negotiate legislation they lost on, then the Democrats must do the same and require tax hikes for the rich, gun control, and so forth.

That's fine with me. I would love to see the reaction at the polls when the Democrats say that the demand gun control or they are shutting the place down.
 
I'm curious - do the liberal apologists here on DP not see the hypocrisy of Democrats, including Obama, moaning and groaning that the US will implode if the debt ceiling isn't raised
You mean like the World Bankers and Koch brothers..
yet they consistently say no to approving a bill from the House to do so that includes any tweaks to the application of the ACA.
What IS their latest bill,jcj, in spite of Heritage Action causing it to be pulled??
In other words, the Democrats and the President are saying that the failed and disasterous ACA, a bill that has been badly received, poorly implemented, and waived for a large segment of the population is more important than the financial well being of the nation.
Is that you Jim deMint?
 
Not that the don't need to negotiate, but they shouldn't. It's political blackmail. But if negotiations are in order then let's negotiate everything -- higher taxes on the rich, gun control, cuts to the military, and so forth.

You can't have your attack on Obamacare and eat it too.

interesting... I thought you wanted the shutdown to end, not extend it indefinitely with your massive, and idiotic, poison pills... Harry Reid probably things you are an anarchist now.

it's not blackmail... no matter how many times you repeat it, it's just not true.... what' wrong with saying things that are factual and accurate?

let's not pretend Democrats aren't throwing their own lil tidbits into the mix.... the Senate is trying tocancel the Cadillac plan tax in their latest bill( union kickback, yay!)... as well as a few other items from the Democratic party wish list.
the GOP is conceding on a bunch of stuff... but I'm pretty sure the Dems will still default if they don't get everything... that's been their message since day 1, anyways.
 
This would be like watching a Democrat back down after someone at CAP pisses and moans.
 
If the Senate gives in to the GOP blackmail on the debt ceiling, there will be political chaos for years to come. It will open the floodgates of any majority party in the House threatening to shut down the economy whenever they don't like some law or policy they can't overturn by legislation.

So I support the Senate Democrats on this. If the GOP wants to negotiate legislation they lost on, then the Democrats must do the same and require tax hikes for the rich, gun control, and so forth.

Tip O'neil shut the government down 12 times.
 
1. If Christie is elected in 2016..
2. The House goes Democratic in 2016..
3. There is a similar but opposite impasse, if we can even imagine that..
4. Christie maintains the Legislative authority that Obama wouldn't give in on.
what?

you're not making much sense bro...
 
You mean like the World Bankers and Koch brothers..What IS their latest bill,jcj, in spite of Heritage Action causing it to be pulled??Is that you Jim deMint?

Let me know if you ever develop the ability to discuss a matter in a sensible manner - otherwise, don't bother me. You can continue to report my posts in an attempt to have me infracted though, since that's your MO.
 
You mean like the World Bankers and Koch brothers..What IS their latest bill,jcj, in spite of Heritage Action causing it to be pulled??Is that you Jim deMint?

More like the green energy industry that witout ripping off the American tax payer in order to keep their weak product alive, because it can't stand on it's own feet. The diesel exhaust fluid scam is a prime example.
 
i'm sorry to break your rant nimby (oh wait nevermind) but the story has been confirmed.

House GOP May Cancel Vote | National Review Online

now i don't read national reveiw, but Robert Costa has been pretty accurate in describing what is going on in the republican caucus.

House Debt Ceiling, Government Shutdown Vote Dead: Report

It seems official, the House deal is over before it started.

Some that came out of the meeting stated that the bill from Congress is dead. Thirty republican house members met in a Mexican restaurant and decided over dinner to hold the line on the ACA.

My guess - The House Republican leadership tried to come up with a plan that would give them a little and which if the Senate rejected they would look like the fools. The Thirty that met in the restaurant were having none of it. Their argument, I am guessing - "Hey, if anybody is going to look like a fool it will be us, dammit."
 
It seems official, the House deal is over before it started.

Some that came out of the meeting stated that the bill from Congress is dead. Thirty republican house members met in a Mexican restaurant and decided over dinner to hold the line on the ACA.

My guess - The House Republican leadership tried to come up with a plan that would give them a little and which if the Senate rejected they would look like the fools. The Thirty that met in the restaurant were having none of it. Their argument, I am guessing - "Hey, if anybody is going to look like a fool it will be us, dammit."

I almost feel sorry for Boehner. Was there ever a more ineffectual dope, trying so hard to prevent the freaks from destroying his party, but too cowardly to actually stand up to them. I emphasize almost.
 
I almost feel sorry for Boehner. Was there ever a more ineffectual dope, trying so hard to prevent the freaks from destroying his party, but too cowardly to actually stand up to them. I emphasize almost.

Perhaps they should replace him with King or Bachman. Government would be equally inneffectual but the entertainment value would be amazing
 
I do see the difference. I reckon you're incensed at Obama for voting against a debt limit increase in '06.

Even PMSNBC says you're wrong.

Why this shutdown is different | MSNBC

I love this rightwing meme. Nobody on the Democratic side threatened to actually force a default. It was a safe vote, for the purpose of registering dissent to Bush's lunacy.

But nice try. I see you have the memo in front of you.
 
I love this rightwing meme. Nobody on the Democratic side threatened to actually force a default. It was a safe vote, for the purpose of registering dissent to Bush's lunacy.

But nice try. I see you have the memo in front of you.

You said O'neil never shut the government down.
 
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