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Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

X Factor said:
I looked at the first link, the case was investigated and charges were dropped (then a whole bunch of people in the comment section called for violence against people they've never met because they are, of course, more aware of all the facts than the people involved).
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Actually, it is the lawyer who dropped his involvement with it, for reasons no one quite seems to understand given how much evidence there is, and who also happens to be personally invested in relatives of the accused. What a co-incky-dink.

And why is no one doing anything about all the harassers giving this girl threats and pushing her family out of town?

Or providing alcohol to minors?

Or all kinds of other things outside the rape accusations themselves?

Regardless of the rape accusation itself -- even completely removing that from the picture and just looking at how the townspeople are acting -- this is a complete failure of basic humanity.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
given how much evidence there is,
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Given how much evidence there isn't, is more like it.


SmokeAndMirrors said:
Regardless of the rape accusation itself -- even completely removing that from the picture and just looking at how the townspeople are acting -- this is a complete failure of basic humanity.
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Falsely accusing someone of rape would make them the bane of the community, as it should be. Which is pretty much how these folks see it.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
And why is no one doing anything about all the harassers giving this girl threats and pushing her family out of town?

Or providing alcohol to minors?

Or all kinds of other things outside the rape accusations themselves?
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You don't actually know that they're not.
 
Excon said:
Given how much evidence there isn't, is more like it.

Falsely accusing someone of rape would make them the bane of the community, as it should be. Which is pretty much how these folks see it.
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I love how the same people banging on at others about "assuming they did it" without a trial, are the same ones assuming they didn't without a trial.

All I am commenting on is a standard of basic decency. That you don't threaten children. They you don't run families out of town.

It's bad enough to automatically assume all girls and women who claim rape are liars. It's almost incomprehensible to defend this kind of rabid pack animal behavior.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
If they were doing anything even vaguely resembling enough, this family wouldn't have felt the need to move.
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That's an assumption, no less than many of the other assumptions going on this thread. That also doesn't speak to anything like not doing anything about providing alcohol to minors, etc., if that's even in play.
 
Harshaw said:
The Daisy Coleman incident happened in Marysville, MO. The story referenced a different case in Steubenville, OH.
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Ahh, okay. For some reason I had it in my mind this was the Steubenville, Ohio case we were talking about. Thanks.
Harshaw said:
If she was, then none of it applies, but taking the witness's account at face value, that's not what happened. What actually happened, we don't know.
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We agree on this.
 
Harshaw said:
That's an assumption, no less than many of the other assumptions going on this thread. That also doesn't speak to anything like not doing anything about providing alcohol to minors, etc., if that's even in play.
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The boys haven't been charged with anything, correct? Nor have any townspeople who threatened her, correct?

That's doing nothing.
 
Dragonfly said:
Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player

or here: Daisy Coleman, Missouri Teen, Claims She's Shunned By Community After Rape Allegations

or here: Maryville rape case: The horrifying details of what happened to Daisy Coleman feel all too familiar.


Words just can't describe....

What's with this mentality of protecting athletes at all costs?

Or protecting boys?????

Why are girls seen as expendable?
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I do not think it has anything to do with seeing girls as expendable. It could be that many people see false accusations to be inexcusable. The prosecuting attorney dropped the charges. In many people's eyes dropped charges and no conviction implies that the accusations were false. Some peoples lives are ruined because of a crime they didn't do. I know that most people would be severely pissed if someone tried to ruin their lives or the lives of their loved ones with false accusations. People in small towns tend to be close. The girls family is new to the town and not as close as the other people in the town. So that probably explains why the town turned on girl.Most likely in their eyes she turned on the town with an allegedly false accusation so they returned the favor and turned on her.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
The boys haven't been charged with anything, correct?
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So far as I can tell, no, but that's not the issue here. The issue is all the other stuff you said no one's doing anything about.


Nor have any townspeople who threatened her, correct?
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That's an assumption. The articles don't say either way. They do say the boy isn't currently being charged. They don't say anything about this.
 
Harshaw said:
So far as I can tell, no, but that's not the issue here. The issue is all the other stuff you said no one's doing anything about.

That's an assumption. The articles don't say either way. They do say the boy isn't currently being charged. They don't say anything about this.
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Well, according to all the sources I can find, the only people doing anything about anything are Anonymous. Sad state of affairs.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Well, according to all the sources I can find, the only people doing anything about anything are Anonymous. Sad state of affairs.
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Unless you have something saying affirmatively that no one's doing anything about these things, you're making an assumption. Not everything makes it to print.
 
Harshaw said:
Unless you have something saying affirmatively that no one's doing anything about these things, you're making an assumption. Not everything makes it to print.
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No article ever written lists all the people who *aren't* doing anything. It's amazing the lengths people go to in order to justify this kind of thing.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
No article ever written lists all the people who *aren't* doing anything. It's amazing the lengths people go to in order to justify this kind of thing.
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You're being wildly emotional. I'm not "justifying" anything. I'm being rational. You're accusing a whole town of "doing nothing" when you don't have any evidence to back up that claim. It's an assumption of yours, nothing more.

If you can find things like "was not charged"; "declined to prosecute," etc., then you'd have something. But as far as I can tell, no such things are out there.
 
Mason66 said:
She didn't have to do anything, there was video of the incident.
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Apparently the prosecution didn't think it was enough evidence, and the victim refused to cooperate, so there's really not much else than can happen.
 
rocket88 said:
It's an awfully big coincidence, don't you think?

If she won't testify, it'll be hard to get any kind of conviction. I'm more apt to believe her over the accused, but if there's no testimony, there's not much evidence.
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It may be a coincidence. I really have no idea. And yes, I agree. I am inclined to believe her, but if she won't cooperate, there's not much sense in the case being tried.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
I love how the same people banging on at others about "assuming they did it" without a trial, are the same ones assuming they didn't without a trial.

All I am commenting on is a standard of basic decency. That you don't threaten children. They you don't run families out of town.

It's bad enough to automatically assume all girls and women who claim rape are liars. It's almost incomprehensible to defend this kind of rabid pack animal behavior.
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There is no assuming on my part.


You are assuming one side of the story is correct when there is actually two sides here.
If the allegations are true, I would feel truly bad for her, and demand justice. But we do not know they are true, and have been pretty much assured that they are not.

But if not, and she is purposely making a false allegation, that is far worse. But we don't know that either.

What we do know though is that the prosecutor made a determination that there wasn't enough evidence to support the charges, and they had to be dropped.
Had to be!
And as previously pointed out by another; It is a thing Prosecutors are not inclined to do unless they really don't have the evidence.

So until there is more evidence, stop assuming.

In addition the Prosecutor said the following.
... Rice called it a case of “incorrigible teenagers” drinking alcohol and having sex. “They were doing what they wanted to do, ...​
Coming from the Prosecutor, that speaks volumes as to what may, or may not have, occurred.
Which would make sense. She wouldn't be deliberately lying, but is confused as to what happened.
The point being; We do not know.



Rice said charges were dropped for lack of evidence, but he added, declining to go into the specifics, that information brought to his attention regarding what happened “before, during and after” the incident also played a role in his actions.

“There wasn’t any prosecuting attorney that could take that case to trial,” he said.

“It had to be dismissed. And it was.”

The parent of one of the teens at the Barnett house that night was the only one to comment briefly to The Star: “Our boys deserve an apology, and they haven’t gotten it yet.”

In a later interview, Rice called it a case of “incorrigible teenagers” drinking alcohol and having sex. “They were doing what they wanted to do, and there weren’t any consequences. And it’s reprehensible. But is it criminal? No.”

Nightmare in Maryville: Teens’ sexual encounter ignites a firestorm against family - KansasCity dot com​
 
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X Factor said:
Sometimes, the allegations are actually false.

Duke lacrosse case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not saying anything about whether the allegations in the OP are true or not because I don't know, but there is a purpose for the criminal justice system and allegations does not equal convictions.
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There is no excuse for arson. Ever.

The arsonists, the rapist, and the acquitting judge all deserve to spend the rest of their lives behind bars.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
The boys haven't been charged with anything, correct?
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What?
They were charged.
Those charges were not supported by the evidence and were dropped.



SmokeAndMirrors said:
Nor have any townspeople who threatened her, correct?
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Threatened her how?
With what?
Where are these threats?


I have seen it reported that her daughter was called a skank, after charges were dropped, but that isn't a threat.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Well, according to all the sources I can find, the only people doing anything about anything are Anonymous. Sad state of affairs.
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Anonymous should mind there own business.
 
Gardener said:
Small towns and football players? You are talking about systems of privilege, folks, and these are the same systems that produce so much sociopathic behavior among college and then pro athletes. When you create a group of people who can walk on water by protecting them from the consequences of their actions because you derive some sort of weird ego gratification from their sports accomplishments, what other expectation do you have?

Just remember what really counts here -- We're number one!!
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It's like Penn State all over again.
 
Phys251 said:
There is no excuse for arson. Ever.

The arsonists, the rapist, and the acquitting judge all deserve to spend the rest of their lives behind bars.
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Not without a fair trial, not in the media, but in a court of law. We don't know the truth, and to say otherwise, is dishonesty.
 
Phys251 said:
There is no excuse for arson. Ever.

The arsonists, the rapist, and the acquitting judge all deserve to spend the rest of their lives behind bars.
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I know, those constitutional provisions are such a pain in the ass, aren't they? We should suspend them whenever people are really, really mad.
 
lizzie said:
Not without a fair trial, not in the media, but in a court of law. We don't know the truth, and to say otherwise, is dishonesty.
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Screw the truth or a need for a trial. We've read about it on the Internet and that should be enough for any conviction. Besides, we shouldn't even have trials unless conviction is guaranteed.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
I love how the same people banging on at others about "assuming they did it" without a trial, are the same ones assuming they didn't without a trial.

All I am commenting on is a standard of basic decency. That you don't threaten children. They you don't run families out of town.

It's bad enough to automatically assume all girls and women who claim rape are liars. It's almost incomprehensible to defend this kind of rabid pack animal behavior.
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You mean like progressives blaming Bush after he is has been gone for 6 ****ing years?:lol:
 
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