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Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

That is not vey lucid on your part. And we are talking about the same chain smoking Ayn Rand who spoke of smoking and Social Security and then wound up taking advantage of Social Security when she was dying of lung cancer due to smoking.



Did she pay taxes and support Social Security?
 
No, it is the far right antics that is killing it.
The Republican party already ended and the internal Democrats who call themselves Republicans are what is ending it.
 
It's not that far fetched. We've had partial government shutdowns in the past.
With the accompanying refusal to negotiate... all your demands met first...only then we negotiate...

Ready ...fire...aim at the Republicans ....eh? Or more like heads you win tails I lose kinda deal... you do know that will come back to haunt...bad karma...already shoved boobamadoesntcare down Americans throats...now won't even negotiate after turning up the burners on the fear factor...

:toilet: gosh I wish we actually could flush...

Everybody now knows we cannot keep spending, the polls show the we, the American public, are aware :ssst:
 
i question anyone who thinks altruism is a economic sin.

I question anyone who thinks that forcefully seizing other people's money to ease the condition of one's preferred wards and believes that somehow they're engaged in altruism.

Give willingly of your own before you steal mine in order to perform your "good works," please.
 
Ayn Rand readers legitimately believe the world will be a better place once everybody is an asshole.

And upon what delusion do you base this? Hmm?

And can we assume that your definition of what makes a person a terminal alimentary orifice is simply that they refuse to conform to your pretty vision of how other people ought to surrender their wealth and liberty to your little schemes?

Would you care to explain how me wanting to direct what is done with the fruits of my labors makes me a moral defective, whilst demanding that I turn that decision over to an incompetent bureaucracy to address with, astounding inefficiency, largely imaginary problems makes you morally superior?

Oh, I do wait with great anticipation to gain enlightenment through your well elucidated writing!
 
nothing is worse than those who take credit for charity they have forced out of others.

the dems pander to the needy by making others foot the bill
And then lecture the rest of us about the goodness of their act. In fact, they've given nothing - nothing at all. Further, such acts are devoid of compassion, and are empty offerings meant to assuage the feelings of the guilty.
 
You need to read her works again.

You and she seem to define the people who fit that category entirely differently.

For her, those who take what is not earned fit that definition and for you, those who work to earn what they feel they need fit that definition.

Why do you think thieves are good and workers are bad?

Why do you love murderers?
 
Just in case any of you are wondering who is actually responsible for the continuing on-going Govt. shut down, it's the guy who was offered literally everything he wanted, but for a shorter time, with the request that he pretty-please be willing to negotiate in the meantime on something - anything, and still said no ; because he thinks that the longer more people are in pain, the better off he does politically.




There you have it. The next time anyone in the Administration complains about the shutdown or coming debt limit, remind them that they value it less than the opportunity to perhaps divide some of their political opposition.[/FONT][/COLOR]

He want's Obamacare to be fully implemented and funded because it gives government the authority and access to regulate everything, everyone and anything.... That is why he's not willing to take any deals...

I think a lot of the non-progressive republicans and democrats see this and are unwilling to turn that authority over to the government...

Obamacare will NOT be funded - at least not including the individual mandate - which is the load barring wall of Obamacare...

Republicans should just continue to hold out and when the US credit rating drops it will be because of Obama and OBAMA ALONE. He could avoid this if he just takes one of the NUMEROUS bills the House has sent to the Senate, however the Senate votes on Obama's opinion which is pretty pathetic...
 
No, it is the far right antics that is killing it.



The folks in the TEA Party today would generally endorse the positions of John Kennedy.

The TEA Party is the party of most Americans today.
 
I say fully fund Obamacare and implement the law as written with no delays, exemptions, subsidies or anything that was issued by executive fiat. It's unconstitutional for the president to legislate, that is the responsibility of the legislature. This of coarse would be impossible and extremely unpopular which is exactly the point. Let every American see how hopelessly lost this government has become. Let every American see how much the law punishes them. Let every American see the consequences are of voting for a law without reading it. Let every American throw the bums out.
 
Just in case any of you are wondering who is actually responsible for the continuing on-going Govt. shut down, it's the guy who was offered literally everything he wanted, but for a shorter time, with the request that he pretty-please be willing to negotiate in the meantime on something - anything, and still said no ; because he thinks that the longer more people are in pain, the better off he does politically.




There you have it. The next time anyone in the Administration complains about the shutdown or coming debt limit, remind them that they value it less than the opportunity to perhaps divide some of their political opposition.[/FONT][/COLOR]

What with all the government shutdown threads on the forum . . . and the laying of blame from every side of the argument. I can only think to ask 3-questions.

1. Who advertised they were going to shutdown the government weeks before it happened because they wanted to defund the ACA?

2. Does Congress have a 237-year old process to change laws or not?

3. Why would the president negotiate if he doesn't have to?

Don't get me wrong, the president has done a lot of stuff to piss me off over the last almost 5-years . . . but the GOP owns this shutdown. Again, sometimes there aren't 2-sides to every story and life isn't always fair and balanced . . . no matter how partisans want to describe their stance. They made their beds, yet now they seem to be complaining about their lumpy mattress.
 
Yeah, they offered to raise the debt limit, but not to open the government. The GOP are children.

The Dems are tyrannts. They shut down the government to protect a bill that most Americans oppose.
 
The Dems are tyrannts. They shut down the government to protect a bill that most Americans oppose.

They shut down the government because the House (the wallet of the US) refuses to fund a law that most in the United States oppose....
 
The best part about Obamacare is hearing all the progressives who used to support the idea bitching now that their premiums have doubled or even tripled....
 
Maybe they will care that Senate Dems had bills that reopened the government but chose to do nothing with them because of their unwillingness to do anything regarding the disaster that is Obamacare.

Isn't that what everyone's banking on? That the other side will get most of the blame?
 
Everybody now knows we cannot keep spending, the polls show the we, the American public, are aware :ssst:

Yeah, but the polls also show that the American public wants the government to reopen and blames the republicans for closing it. Go figure.
 
Yeah, but the polls also show that the American public wants the government to reopen and blames the republicans for closing it. Go figure.

You won't find any poll that supports that.

It's more accurate to say that the American people blame Congress, as a whole, for the shut down.

The biggest thing that Americans are getting from the shutdown, is that the bureacracy is too large and has too much control over the private sector. After Obamacare is fully implemented, they will see that even more. There's nothing in the Liberal agenda that creates a permanent win.
 
The Dems are tyrannts. They shut down the government to protect a bill that most Americans oppose.

Both parties seem to be seen as such. Both parties has had a lose of people who identify/associate themselves with the two major parties. Both have taken hits but the Republicans more so. If you looked at the figures at election time last year, November of 2012 30% of the electorate identified themselves as Republicans, 35% as Democrats and 33% as independent. Today or at least as of October 5, 2013 those figures were 20% for Republicans 30% for Democrats and 47% for independents.

The Democrats wouldn't care if their number shrunk to 10% as long as the republican number was lower. In the two party system we have, it doesn't matter if 70% think your scum as long as 80% think the other party or candidate is a worst scum. Those who dislike, detest, hate if you will both parties have no choice but to vote for one or the others, even if they think both are evil and very incompetent. Then it becomes the lesser of two evils. Let's face, as of this moment, these folks think the Republicans are the most evil and the Democrats the lesser of the two evil parties. That suits the Democrats just fine and they have no incentive what so ever to compromise or put an end to what was a Republican started shut down.
 
Both parties seem to be seen as such. Both parties has had a lose of people who identify/associate themselves with the two major parties. Both have taken hits but the Republicans more so. If you looked at the figures at election time last year, November of 2012 30% of the electorate identified themselves as Republicans, 35% as Democrats and 33% as independent. Today or at least as of October 5, 2013 those figures were 20% for Republicans 30% for Democrats and 47% for independents.

The Democrats wouldn't care if their number shrunk to 10% as long as the republican number was lower. In the two party system we have, it doesn't matter if 70% think your scum as long as 80% think the other party or candidate is a worst scum. Those who dislike, detest, hate if you will both parties have no choice but to vote for one or the others, even if they think both are evil and very incompetent. Then it becomes the lesser of two evils. Let's face, as of this moment, these folks think the Republicans are the most evil and the Democrats the lesser of the two evil parties. That suits the Democrats just fine and they have no incentive what so ever to compromise or put an end to what was a Republican started shut down.

Congress is at 5%, so obviously none of them care.
 
then explain to me why I think they are whacky RW nut jobs. Before you start on the MSM I probably have watched Fox more over the years than any, and at one time I was as far right as anyone. The Tea Party, at least today's version, is the party of uber conservatives, Palin, Rush Cruz and the others do not reflect the face of America today, thinking they do might be the problem.
The folks in the TEA Party today would generally endorse the positions of John Kennedy.

The TEA Party is the party of most Americans today.
 
Both parties seem to be seen as such. Both parties has had a lose of people who identify/associate themselves with the two major parties. Both have taken hits but the Republicans more so. If you looked at the figures at election time last year, November of 2012 30% of the electorate identified themselves as Republicans, 35% as Democrats and 33% as independent. Today or at least as of October 5, 2013 those figures were 20% for Republicans 30% for Democrats and 47% for independents.

The Democrats wouldn't care if their number shrunk to 10% as long as the republican number was lower. In the two party system we have, it doesn't matter if 70% think your scum as long as 80% think the other party or candidate is a worst scum. Those who dislike, detest, hate if you will both parties have no choice but to vote for one or the others, even if they think both are evil and very incompetent. Then it becomes the lesser of two evils. Let's face, as of this moment, these folks think the Republicans are the most evil and the Democrats the lesser of the two evil parties. That suits the Democrats just fine and they have no incentive what so ever to compromise or put an end to what was a Republican started shut down.

Our congress has nothing to do with that considering we don't vote via popular vote in a democratic/constitutional republic (at least not on federal legislation)...

I can't blame republicans for anything in this situation - they continually give the Senate bills and the Senate along with Obama reject them.... Republicans are at least trying here - the progressive democrats just want their cake and eat it...

It's really that simple.

Also, the only reason why republicans have taken a hit is because the MSM and the idiots that pay attention to their lies and propaganda do nothing more than champion democrats....

The truth is extremely simple - republicans in the House sent several bills to the Senate and they were all denied because all progressives in the Senate care about is funding Obamacare...

In this instance republicans are trying and democrats are acting like the 5-year-old in the checkout aisle stomping his/her feet because mommy wouldn't by him/her a candy bar
 
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