Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

Thrilla said:

my point wasn't to argue about Obamacare or your ignorance of libertarians... it was to simply point out your very strange healthcare priorities and your small minded "greed" argument.

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I'm sure there are libertarians that are true to the ideal, perhaps you are one. But regardless of the claimed leaning these days, few seem to really focus on the ideals of their professed party but instead focus on partisanship on all levels EXCEPT suckling at the dicks of big business, which is a multi-partisan endeavor.

Summerwind said:

I'm sure there are libertarians that are true to the ideal, perhaps you are one. But regardless of the claimed leaning these days, few seem to really focus on the ideals of their professed party but instead focus on partisanship on all levels EXCEPT suckling at the dicks of big business, which is a multi-partisan endeavor.

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if you support Obamacare, you have no room to talk about anyone else sucking big business dick....none whatsoever.

anyways, this has nothing to do with your healthcare priorities or your simple minded "greed" argument.

Thrilla said:

if you support Obamacare, you have no room to talk about anyone else sucking big business dick....none whatsoever.

anyways, this has nothing to do with your healthcare priorities or your simple minded "greed" argument.

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I do not support Obamacare as it is now, but it is better than what we've had. I call it the Insurance Ripoff Act. I'm in favor of cutting out the middle man and going for basic Medicare for all, with supplementals available for those who need/want more. Hence no corporate suckling at all. I did in fact include all parties in my initial comments and intended to.

Summerwind said:

So correct me if I'm wrong, but you're admitting here that you are creating a theory that has no link to any real data regarding these particular firings? Which would mean to say you are creating a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are great and vague conincidents always seem to support the POTENTIAL for the theory, but until you have some viable linkage, it's just a conspiracy theory.

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I'm beginning to understand your thought process now. It goes something like this: We don't know that the Sun came up if it's overcast.

ItAin'tFree said:

I'm beginning to understand your thought process now. It goes something like this: We don't know that the Sun came up if it's overcast.

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Really??? I'm not the one trying to deny the Sun (Obamacare) is up. I'm also not trying to pretend the moon is attached to the Sun.
BTW, I've actually seen the moon seem to be attached to the Sun, but still I know they are not. You seem to lack the ability to comprehend the concept of what appears to be, and what is.

Summerwind said:

I do not support Obamacare as it is now, but it is better than what we've had. I call it the Insurance Ripoff Act. I'm in favor of cutting out the middle man and going for basic Medicare for all, with supplementals available for those who need/want more. Hence no corporate suckling at all. I did in fact include all parties in my initial comments and intended to.

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so you prefer a single big ass government to run healthcare as opposed to numerous smaller corporations....mmmmk.

unfortunately, the man you put in the whitehouse decided that the socialist/communist way wasn't for us.. so he went the fascist route.
he decided to use government force to make us do business with big corporations... and fine us if we don't... .err, I mean "tax " us

as an aside, "medicare for all" doesn't remove the middleman.. it places the government in the role of the middleman.
if you really want to get rid of the middleman, but still have the federal government in charge of healthcare, you'd probably be calling for an exponential increase in the VA's system of healthcare, and to open it to everyone.... gubmint doctors, gubmint nurses.. all care for "free".

Thrilla said:

so you prefer a single big ass government to run healthcare as opposed to numerous smaller corporations....mmmmk.

unfortunately, the man you put in the whitehouse decided that the socialist/communist way wasn't for us.. so he went the fascist route.
he decided to use government force to make us do business with big corporations... and fine us if we don't... .err, I mean "tax " us

as an aside, "medicare for all" doesn't remove the middleman.. it places the government in the role of the middleman.
if you really want to get rid of the middleman, but still have the federal government in charge of healthcare, you'd probably be calling for an exponential increase in the VA's system of healthcare, and to open it to everyone.... gubmint doctors, gubmint nurses.. all care for "free".

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I'm not even going to waste my time reading past "numerous smaller corporations," the ignorance is too astounding.

Summerwind said:

I'm not even going to waste my time reading past "numerous smaller corporations," the ignorance is too astounding.

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it's true...anyone who thinks these insurance companies are bigger than the US government should not waste their time talking to me...

Summerwind said:

So correct me if I'm wrong, but you're admitting here that you are creating a theory that has no link to any real data regarding these particular firings? Which would mean to say you are creating a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are great and vague conincidents always seem to support the POTENTIAL for the theory, but until you have some viable linkage, it's just a conspiracy theory.

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I'm offering my opinion after dong a little research and asking if anyone has better information.

What are you doing?

code1211 said:

I'm offering my opinion after dong a little research and asking if anyone has better information.

What are you doing?

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Exactly, "dong a little research" wherein little is the key word. In the rant I replied to connections were being made that are no where in legitimate articles, or data. Could be, but right now just conspiracy quality information.
Now, darlin', bless your heart.

Summerwind said:

Exactly, "dong a little research" wherein little is the key word. In the rant I replied to connections were being made that are no where in legitimate articles, or data. Could be, but right now just conspiracy quality information.
Now, darlin', bless your heart.

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I'm not sure what you problem is. I never said there was a conspiracy. In truth, I think there is not a conspiracy but just a nationwide response to the same nationwide issues. You would be hard pressed to find a major hospital system right now that is not laying off employees.

In Indianapolis where I live, about 1600 healthcare workers have been laid off in 2013 and part of that reason is the reduction in the Medicare payments that reducing the income to hospitals.

There are various reasons including fewer people with insurance coverage and higher deductibles for those that do have insurance. In the era of Obamacare, one might suppose that healthcare facilities would be expanding their staffs, but they are not. They are cutting back.

Here is an article that discusses this in this market.

Worried about the future, IU Health cuts 800 jobs, even as income soars | 2013-09-12 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com

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That’s one factor pushing down hospitalizations nationwide. In addition, persistently high unemployment and the increasing prevalence of high-deductible health insurance plans have left more patients exposed to the high cost of a hospital visit.

What really has IU Health scared, however, is that the federal Medicare program has been reducing payments to hospitals—and private insurers are likely to follow suit. Whereas hospitals for years have claimed that Medicare payments ran about 20 percent below their costs, hospitals now are desperately trying to cut costs to make money on Medicare.

IU Health’s cost-cutting goal of $1 billion would reduce its annual expenses about 20 percent.

“Our foresight is that reimbursement rates will approximate Medicare,” Terwilliger said.
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SMTA said:

So you are unaware that they are a legal US corporation who pays and engages lobbyists?

United Health Care is a subdivision of UnitedHealth Group.

You are probably unaware of their 2 large legal entanglements for consumer fraud, then?

You are probably also unaware of the SEC investigation where UHC executives were back dating documents for their stock options.

Do you know what stock options are?

Obviously you are clueless about what a CEO is and does.
William W McGuire has been CEO of UnitedHealth Group (UNH) for 14 years. Dr. McGuire has been with the company for 17 years . The 57 year old executive ranks 1 within Health care equipment & services
Forbes magazine reports that William W. McGuire, CEO of UnitedHealth Group) received compensation of $124.8 million in 2005.

I am sure that you are completely unaware that the SEC investigates public corporations.

You might want to step back and remove that clueless look from your face anytime now.

Sorry about your luck.

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UHC in this forum is Universal Health Care........s o we are talking past eache other.

Moot said:

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The UHC is an insurance plan and they are negotiating with doctors to become part of their network plan. A lot insurance companies do this. We've been on a similar plan for years, that if we use the plan's network doctors we can save a lot of out of pocket money than using one that isn't. As far as I know it doesn't effect Medicare or Obamacare at all. But it can save the consumer some money. So what is the problem? Some doctors don't want to be part of the plan because they want to charge more money. Thats their choice...and ultimately their loss.

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Its your loss, not theirs. Doctors are going to get what they are worth, and if Medicare isn't willing to pay up, seniors are going to be see a decline in access and services. Just how the game is played. It does actually have a lot to do with the ACA, considering that a major feature of the ACA was over $700B in cuts to Medicare, some of which was a cut and freeze on reimbursement.

274ina said:

UHC in this forum is Universal Health Care........s o we are talking past eache other.

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There is no 'we'.

You did not read or did not understand the OP.