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John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

Dr. Chuckles said:
Yeah, it's hard for me to find many redeeming qualities in that hardcore social conservatism of the republican party, and that seems the main complaint with most people from my generation and younger.

Off topic, but now that he has been out of office for awhile, how socially conservative do you think Bush Jr. Was? It seems most of that agenda was designed to secure the political support of the religious right, as opposed to being part of his core political values.
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that's a good question... one that i'm not sure I know the answer to.
if i had to guess, i would say he fairly conservative, but not as much as he led on.... as you say, he did need the support of that base ,so he said all the right things to all the right people.

i'm "older" ( 60) and although I lead a somewhat socially conservative life ( in public.... private is a whole 'nuther ballgame), my politics are quite different.
unlike Reps and Dems, i'm not out to mandate you live by my morals or ethics... i'm cool with letting folks choose for themselves.
 
beefheart said:
I have a lot of libertarian views, but I abhor the Libertarian Party. It is a sad joke, 43 years and they have not ever elected anyone to any high office, just the unopposed flood control boards and the like. They will never get anywhere because everyone in it is so fixated on their individualism that it makes any kind of agreements or compromise impossible.
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their individualism isn't what will keep them out of high office....lack of money , lack of national infrastructure, and lack of a fair playing field will.

hell, we don't get invited to presidential debates, and we can't afford to put on our own multimillion dollar prime time spectacle either.... according to the media and most voters, nobody exists outside of Dems and Reps.

for now, libertarians are left to operate within the major parties... mostly the Republican party , as the Democratic party is very hostile towards us kind of folks.
 
vesper said:
Anyone who will demean the Tea Party Movement is HOJ's new found bud. :lol: John McCain along with the Republican Elites don't like the new candidates that were elected with Tea Party support who are younger, full of energy and ready to challenge the status quo. They haven't been there long enough to get tainted by Washington and the old foggies don't much care for them challenging them. The Tea Party Movement is a call to return to the Constitutional first principles, shrink the size of an over bloated Federal government and demand fiscal responsibility from Washington. Apparently that is too much of a threat to many.
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That's precisely why I don't support the Tea Party. That youthful anti-elite, anti-establishment attitude reminds me of the New Left of the 1960s. I just don't like the right-wing version of the hippies. They are too naive, too intransigent, and too democratic.
 
If you are a Libertarian, what is your place in this conundrum?
Thrilla said:
I'm a Libertarian.. not a republican... not a tea partier.

please, learn the difference.
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head of joaquin said:
Free Republic. A political forum of the far right adolescent type. Put on a haz-mat suit before you visit.
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Yeah, there's some pretty bad cesspools out there for political discourse, but Free Republic is one of the worst.
 
beefheart said:
I have a lot of libertarian views, but I abhor the Libertarian Party. It is a sad joke, 43 years and they have not ever elected anyone to any high office, just the unopposed flood control boards and the like. They will never get anywhere because everyone in it is so fixated on their individualism that it makes any kind of agreements or compromise impossible.
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Me too; albeit, my personal brand of small-L libertarianism is a little left of what is generally considered to be "libertarian."
 
Conservative posters simply will not walk back any of the stuff from these websites or TeaTalkTurds..
But watch them jump on the 1st Dem. politician..
This 6-week thing..
Do give TEAts credit for knowing it ends on the 50th anniv. of JFK.
head of joaquin said:
Free Republic. A political forum of the far right adolescent type. Put on a haz-mat suit before you visit.
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Grand Mal said:
So, does the 'Tea Party' form a third-party option for the lunatic fringe or do they fade away without the Republican Party veneer of legitimacy? I'm saying they disappear as suddenly as they appeared.
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Let's all pray for a third party.
 
Kobie said:
Yeah, there's some pretty bad cesspools out there for political discourse, but Free Republic is one of the worst.
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it has a lot of good company down there in the bowels ...

I think the last time i looked over there was 2003 or 4?....same for DU and KOS
 
beefheart said:
I have a lot of libertarian views, but I abhor the Libertarian Party. It is a sad joke, 43 years and they have not ever elected anyone to any high office, just the unopposed flood control boards and the like. They will never get anywhere because everyone in it is so fixated on their individualism that it makes any kind of agreements or compromise impossible.
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Well, we also have a rather entrenched two party system. So it's hard for any subset of them to act independently. Unless you're someone already high profile like nader or perot
 
Fiddytree said:
That's precisely why I don't support the Tea Party. That youthful anti-elite, anti-establishment attitude reminds me of the New Left of the 1960s. I just don't like the right-wing version of the hippies. They are too naive, too intransigent, and too democratic.
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Evening Fiddytree, Does this mean you are an ole foggie too? :lol:
Seriously I don't see them being any more anti-establishment as our Founding Fathers did in their day. ;)
 
beefheart said:
Well, I'm not a "leftist", I voted for McCain in the Senate primary and general election, and for president. But, don't let facts get in the way of things.
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If you don't buy the Tea Party swill hook, line, and sinker, you are a 'leftist'. Or a RINO.
 
Thrilla said:
their individualism isn't what will keep them out of high office....lack of money , lack of national infrastructure, and lack of a fair playing field will.

hell, we don't get invited to presidential debates, and we can't afford to put on our own multimillion dollar prime time spectacle either.... according to the media and most voters, nobody exists outside of Dems and Reps.

for now, libertarians are left to operate within the major parties... mostly the Republican party , as the Democratic party is very hostile towards us kind of folks.
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that's a pretty complicated subject, because a party should have a level of national recognition to be given the same platform as a major party that holds the solid support of a 1/3 of the population. But the current system heavily favors those two already established parties and actively works to discourage competitors.

For me, the one truism to my voting strategy is to try and support 3rd parties, largely regardless of politics. hell, I voted for McKinny before based on it, and ****ing hate that woman
 
Fiddytree said:
That's precisely why I don't support the Tea Party. That youthful anti-elite, anti-establishment attitude reminds me of the New Left of the 1960s. I just don't like the right-wing version of the hippies. They are too naive, too intransigent, and too democratic.
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ideological purity tends to fall foul of reality
 
Thrilla said:
hell, we don't get invited to presidential debates
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I haven't seen the specifics of why the Libertarian candidate for governor in Virginia was kept out of the next debate but he is getting 8%
and we can't afford to put on our own multimillion dollar prime time spectacle either.
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Especially with the Koch letter distancing themselves from this TeaTechnique and what happened to T-Bills Tuesday night
 
NIMBY said:
Conservative posters simply will not walk back any of the stuff from these websites or TeaTalkTurds..
But watch them jump on the 1st Dem. politician..
This 6-week thing..
Do give TEAts credit for knowing it ends on the 50th anniv. of JFK.
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it seems you have a number of conservatives criticisng the tea party in this very thread.
 
Thrilla said:
same place as always...on the outside whining and bitching about the children on the inside ****ing things up.:lol:
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just poke them with your walking stick and throw out some ratchety catch phrase.

all things in life will improve
 
and TEAt congresspersons are now getting primaries by Four RINO's--swinging the caucus a little to Boehner but still run by Cantor
Wiggen said:
If you don't buy the Tea Party swill hook, line, and sinker, you are a 'leftist'. Or a RINO.
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Wiggen said:
If you don't buy the Tea Party swill hook, line, and sinker, you are a 'leftist'. Or a RINO.
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I don't believe that's what most conservatives, outside those involved in tea party movement, think. I do see McCain as a republican of convenience. If he were another party he would be a DINO or a LINO or a GINO. I just believe him personally to be a crooked politician and do not trust his stances on any of the issues.
 
NOW..Once the Kochs spoke..
Not to mention the C. Krauthammer's of the world..
And H. Barbour weighed in with his disgust..
And to make matters worse for normal Repubs today, Cruz, Bachmann and the rest of the Kamakazie generals stoked the fire again at the 'Values Voters Summit'.
Dr. Chuckles said:
it seems you have a number of conservatives criticisng the tea party in this very thread.
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The only children are the TEAts, at least from everything I gather from the comments of the normal Repubs and polls..
Polls don't seem to be important to these TEAts when they don't like them, like with Toomey-Manchin.
Thrilla said:
same place as always...on the outside whining and bitching about the children on the inside ****ing things up.:lol:
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