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John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

Mycroft said:
I think you give people way too much credit. If Obamacare is allowed to continue the people will get used to it...no matter how bad it is. You've heard about the frog in the pot of water?
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I think some people will get used to it and actually even like it--people who cant afford coverage now and who will get a heavy subsidy, and people who couldn't get coverage due to pre-existing conditions. It is those who lose their coverage because of Obamacare, or see their rates rise because of Obamacare, or see their hours cut because of Obamacare, or get tax hassles from the IRS because of Obamacare that will ultimately tip the scales against the law and demand massive reform. If it is going to be a train wreck, then let the train wreck and be there to pick up the pieces. The chance to repeal the law vanished with the 2012 election. The job for republicans is to build upon public discontent with the law at the ballot box.
 
Mycroft said:
Is that the best you have, my dear? Trying to make it a race thing?

In any event, being an ultra-leftie, it's not surprising that you don't understand why anyone might find Obama lacking as a President.
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If you think about it obama has continued the war on islam. He has kept gitmo open. He has taken out other world leaders. He gives to banks and business. He deregulates the market. You slap these things on a white face and put republican by his name, you would be singing a different tune.
 
tererun said:
If you think about it obama has continued the war on islam. He has kept gitmo open. He has taken out other world leaders. He gives to banks and business. He deregulates the market. You slap these things on a white face and put republican by his name, you would be singing a different tune.
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Oh, I don't mind those things about Obama...though I can understand why you would. But even with the few good things he has done, he is still a failure. He's a failure to you because he hasn't done the ultra-left things you want him to do and he's a failure to me because he's been ineffective, he changes his mind at every turn, he lies and spins when it suits his agenda...whatever that is at the moment. And, above all, he doesn't feel any shame.

But hey...enough about Obama unless you want to start a new thread about how lousy he is. What do you have to say about McCain?
 
Fletch said:
I think some people will get used to it and actually even like it--people who cant afford coverage now and who will get a heavy subsidy, and people who couldn't get coverage due to pre-existing conditions. It is those who lose their coverage because of Obamacare, or see their rates rise because of Obamacare, or see their hours cut because of Obamacare, or get tax hassles from the IRS because of Obamacare that will ultimately tip the scales against the law and demand massive reform. If it is going to be a train wreck, then let the train wreck and be there to pick up the pieces. The chance to repeal the law vanished with the 2012 election. The job for republicans is to build upon public discontent with the law at the ballot box.
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So you condone letting the damage happen...letting lives be ruined...letting people suffer...because you don't have the courage to try to stop this thing before the damage is done.

I don't agree with your suggested course of action.
 
Mycroft said:
McCain is a dinosaur...and a RINO. He would have been a better President that Obama...but that isn't saying much. Heck, back in 2008 Hillary would have been a better President.

Does anyone really listen to McCain anymore? Oh, wait...you do, HoJ.
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Why is it that the people who defined the Republican party for decades (like McCain, Orrin Hatch) are suddenly RINOs, while the newcomers are the "true Republicans?" I think if Ronald Reagan were alive today, he'd be getting called a RINO, too. We've already seen that Abraham Lincoln wasn't a "real Republican" and he's one of the founders of the Republican party!
 
Mycroft said:
Oh, I don't mind those things about Obama...though I can understand why you would. But even with the few good things he has done, he is still a failure. He's a failure to you because he hasn't done the ultra-left things you want him to do and he's a failure to me because he's been ineffective, he changes his mind at every turn, he lies and spins when it suits his agenda...whatever that is at the moment. And, above all, he doesn't feel any shame.

But hey...enough about Obama unless you want to start a new thread about how lousy he is. What do you have to say about McCain?
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Had McCain not saddled himself with sarah the cult leader I would have voted for him. I think he does a decent job. He has to shake off the right wing looney birds and I would really like him.
 
McCain beat a well known former congressman who was a tea party darling in the last primary. Not just beat, but landslide beat down. McCain speaks the truth here, the tea party rabble have been detrimental to the party. Low information, angry folks who are only angry because their one source of news, talk radio tells them to be angry and whips them into a frenzy. Measured thinking, long term strategies and intelligent debate has been replaced by bumpersticker slogans. The party was warned, but they ran off the cliff anyway...
 
tererun said:
Had McCain not saddled himself with sarah the cult leader I would have voted for him. I think he does a decent job. He has to shake off the right wing looney birds and I would really like him.
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In other words, you want him to be even more of a RINO than he already is. I don't share your sentiment.
 
rocket88 said:
Why is it that the people who defined the Republican party for decades (like McCain, Orrin Hatch) are suddenly RINOs, while the newcomers are the "true Republicans?" I think if Ronald Reagan were alive today, he'd be getting called a RINO, too. We've already seen that Abraham Lincoln wasn't a "real Republican" and he's one of the founders of the Republican party!
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McCain has been called a RINO for decades. There is nothing sudden about it.
 
tererun said:
Had McCain not saddled himself with sarah the cult leader I would have voted for him. I think he does a decent job. He has to shake off the right wing looney birds and I would really like him.
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Of course you would have. He's an old crook who swings with the political winds to survive to steal some more - just your type.
 
clownboy said:
Of course you would have. He's an old crook who swings with the political winds to survive to steal some more - just your type.
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Besides...he's better at it than Obama.
 
beefheart said:
McCain beat a well known former congressman who was a tea party darling in the last primary. Not just beat, but landslide beat down. McCain speaks the truth here, the tea party rabble have been detrimental to the party. Low information, angry folks who are only angry because their one source of news, talk radio tells them to be angry and whips them into a frenzy. Measured thinking, long term strategies and intelligent debate has been replaced by bumpersticker slogans. The party was warned, but they ran off the cliff anyway...
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Love to see the leftists rally around a fellow that just a few short years ago they were blasting as a crook and a liar. Hilarious!
 
clownboy said:
Love to see the leftists rally around a fellow that just a few short years ago they were blasting as a crook and a liar. Hilarious!
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Well, I'm not a "leftist", I voted for McCain in the Senate primary and general election, and for president. But, don't let facts get in the way of things.
 
clownboy said:
Of course you would have. He's an old crook who swings with the political winds to survive to steal some more - just your type.
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No, he puts thought into what he does and he had to play the game for the right. If he had cut off the fundies I would be all for him.
 
beefheart said:
Well, I'm not a "leftist", I voted for McCain in the Senate primary and general election, and for president. But, don't let facts get in the way of things.
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My apologies, you just support crooks for office, how much better is that?
 
tererun said:
No, he puts thought into what he does and he had to play the game for the right. If he had cut off the fundies I would be all for him.
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Right, so you'll support an old roundheels crook as long as he cuts off the fundies, gotcha.
 
clownboy said:
Right, so you'll support an old roundheels crook as long as he cuts off the fundies, gotcha.
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Well if you are imagining him that way then it would be yes. You see there is a problem with just making stuff up. People do not live in your imaginary world. However you want to morph it there is one truth. Money has had it with the fundies.
 
Mycroft said:
McCain is a dinosaur...and a RINO. He would have been a better President that Obama...but that isn't saying much. Heck, back in 2008 Hillary would have been a better President.

Does anyone really listen to McCain anymore? Oh, wait...you do, HoJ.
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HoJ is a big McCain supporter.
 
clownboy said:
And yet you admit it's true.
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No, I don't. Perhaps you should work on speaking for yourself rather than thinking you can speak for other posters. Add somethinng to the conversation, rather than trolling.
 
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