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John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

One can not help but notice that you could find nothing incorrect about its usage and application but simply resorted to a personal attack.
It wasn't a personal attack, nor did I claim you used the term incorrectly. I was simply pointing out the humor in a person whose ideology is based upon the right of one man to live as a parasite sucking the blood of his neighbor, now turning to ridicule that same parasite ideology.
 
The tea party will never be The Tea Party. They do not have the guts, the money, the organization skills nor the intelligence to do so. They will forever be the parasite attached to the host sucking the blood right out of it and not able to survive on its own.

I agree with the first couple sentences. The last part is some major bias speaking. I don't think they ever meant to form a separate party. Like OWS was for the dems, they are a movement (here come the bowel jokes :mrgreen:).
 
You are incapable of seeing my side of the fence. Therefor you fantasize about what it is like.

Didn't visit the link did ya? Go ahead, go there and then you can eat your crow. Not that I expect you'll come back and say you were wrong, that happens so often you'd have to live here.
 
Hey, a personal attack instead of an argument. Right on schedule.

Yeah, another troll who knows everything, and a new poster can't know anything. Just like FR.

Oh well, it appears that he isn't taken seriously by many people here, some people just troll to start a fight for no good reason. I've been around internet forums since the start, I recognize a troll quickly, and know that when you starve a troll of the attention they desperately seek, they die.
 
McCain's an odd duck. He totally caved to the right when he ran for president and said incredibly stupid things (not to mention foolishly had that horrid harpy as his running mate). Then, at other times he stands up for principle. Hard to figure him out. But he's no tea party troll, at least.

I think he became very jaded after the 2000 primary. But beyond that, he's always been a pretty mixed bag on policy
 
Why can't we push a button and transform all tea party members to Libertarians?

But seriously, the tea party was a decent idea that was then hijacked by neoconservatives and religious zealots.

while I agree the tea party started out as different than it's modern incarnation, I wouldn't exactly call the shift moving towards neoconservatism. if anything, it seems a reaction that that and the neoconcervative dominance of the GOP leadership and organizational structure
 
while I agree the tea party started out as different than it's modern incarnation, I wouldn't exactly call the shift moving towards neoconservatism. if anything, it seems a reaction that that and the neoconcervative dominance of the GOP leadership and organizational structure

Many neoconservatives actually treat the Tea Party as if they are themselves not part of it. Neoconservatism is still mostly connected to individuals that in no way, shape, or form, would represent the populist background of most Tea Partiers. Most of the time, you get two viewpoints toward it:

1) Sympathetic toward some of their aims.

2) Think of them as politically useful pawns.
 
Duh. He has to move to the Right to satisfy the rest of the party, much like a moderate Democrat would have to pivot to the Left to gain support of the base (and hope that liberals or left-wingers wouldn't be disproportionately willing to pull the plug for a primary challenger or a 3rd party candidate.[/COLOR]

which seems to be the lesson he learned in 2000. And I still think a Romney or McCain presidency would have been drastically different than their respective campaigns
 
I think he became very jaded after the 2000 primary. But beyond that, he's always been a pretty mixed bag on policy

It was sad to see him cowtow to the right of his party on immigration reform and social security during his presidential run. Whatever the merits, he had been a pragmatist on these issues until he had to deal with the Palin contingent. You could tell he had a distaste for giving into the xenophobia and false choices, but he did.

But then on other issues of principle he stuck to his guns.
 
I think it's a bit passé to talk about moderate Democrats pivoting left to win elections. If any thing, the Democratic party is a center right party, with progressive elements. Obama pivoted right to get both the nomination and the election (and he didn't really have to pivot much, since he's basically a centrists).


I actually recall him attacking Hillary as a DNC establishment centrist and warring with Edwards over the mantle of the mainstream progressive candidate. In fact, the act of going to speak at AIPEC only after the primary was secured kind of highlights this.

Though, obviously we are speaking in the context of american politics, where the DNC hardly resembles liberal parties in places like Europe or even canada
 
I actually recall him attacking Hillary as a DNC establishment centrist and warring with Edwards over the mantle of the mainstream progressive candidate. In fact, the act of going to speak at AIPEC only after the primary was secured kind of highlights this.

Though, obviously we are speaking in the context of american politics, where the DNC hardly resembles liberal parties in places like Europe or even canada

And vice versa. If the Democratic Party resembled the Tories it would be more liberal than it is now. Mainstream conservative parties in Europe accept universal health care, robust regulation, relatively high taxes on the rich and an extensive social safety net. These are not disputed in Europe; it is simply a matter of changes around the margins. If David Cameron ran in a US election, he would be called a Marxist by the tea party.
 
It wasn't a personal attack, nor did I claim you used the term incorrectly. I was simply pointing out the humor in a person whose ideology is based upon the right of one man to live as a parasite sucking the blood of his neighbor, now turning to ridicule that same parasite ideology.

"Ideology"? I have no idea what you are talking about regarding any "ideology" I have. Perhaps you could quote some of my posts where I pontificate about my "ideology"?
 
I agree with the first couple sentences. The last part is some major bias speaking. I don't think they ever meant to form a separate party. Like OWS was for the dems, they are a movement (here come the bowel jokes :mrgreen:).

having been in and working with the Democratic Party for the last several years when OWS came and went - I know of no involvement of that group in Democratic politics or in the election process within the party as the tea party has done with the Republicans.
 
It was sad to see him cowtow to the right of his party on immigration reform and social security during his presidential run. Whatever the merits, he had been a pragmatist on these issues until he had to deal with the Palin contingent. You could tell he had a distaste for giving into the xenophobia and false choices, but he did.

But then on other issues of principle he stuck to his guns.

Can you tell me what you mean by the word, "pragmatist"? I suspect you mean something different than the dictionary definition.
 
McCain is a dinosaur...and a RINO. He would have been a better President that Obama...but that isn't saying much. Heck, back in 2008 Hillary would have been a better President.

Does anyone really listen to McCain anymore? Oh, wait...you do, HoJ.

Anyone who will demean the Tea Party Movement is HOJ's new found bud. :lol: John McCain along with the Republican Elites don't like the new candidates that were elected with Tea Party support who are younger, full of energy and ready to challenge the status quo. They haven't been there long enough to get tainted by Washington and the old foggies don't much care for them challenging them. The Tea Party Movement is a call to return to the Constitutional first principles, shrink the size of an over bloated Federal government and demand fiscal responsibility from Washington. Apparently that is too much of a threat to many.
 
Why can't we push a button and transform all tea party members to Libertarians?

But seriously, the tea party was a decent idea that was then hijacked by neoconservatives and religious zealots. Their social views are laughable at best when it comes to reality. It seems that most of them are more intent on challenging the government than promoting freedom.

It seems like the movement is the last ditch effort of neoconservatives and traditionalists to make a stand and save their ideals. Hate to break it to them, but the future of the Right in American politics is economic and social/personal freedom.

Tea Partiers =/= libertarian.

Tea Partiers, by and large, socially conservative... libertarians , by and large, are not.

sure would be nice of we had more fiscally conservative/socially liberal folks around... but there just isn't
 
Can you tell me what you mean by the word, "pragmatist"? I suspect you mean something different than the dictionary definition.

The general sense that it is used within discussions of politics, it is someone interested in workable solutions as opposed to ideological purity
 
Yeah, another troll who knows everything, and a new poster can't know anything. Just like FR.

Oh well, it appears that he isn't taken seriously by many people here, some people just troll to start a fight for no good reason. I've been around internet forums since the start, I recognize a troll quickly, and know that when you starve a troll of the attention they desperately seek, they die.

You can come on back and apologize for just how wrong you have it when you find out the nature of HOJ. Says a lot about you though that you hung around FR, none of it good.
 
Tea Partiers =/= libertarian.

Tea Partiers, by and large, socially conservative... libertarians , by and large, are not.

sure would be nice of we had more fiscally conservative/socially liberal folks around... but there just isn't

Yeah, it's hard for me to find many redeeming qualities in that hardcore social conservatism of the republican party, and that seems the main complaint with most people from my generation and younger.

Off topic, but now that he has been out of office for awhile, how socially conservative do you think Bush Jr. Was? It seems most of that agenda was designed to secure the political support of the religious right, as opposed to being part of his core political values.
 
According to the thread title, McCain is blaming the TEAt party..
If Dems do it, we're partisan..
When Repubs do it, they're RINO's..
But wait, these Repubs are truly making me LOL with their quips..
Tea Partiers =/= libertarian.

Tea Partiers, by and large, socially conservative... libertarians , by and large, are not.

sure would be nice of we had more fiscally conservative/socially liberal folks around... but there just isn't
 
You can come on back and apologize for just how wrong you have it when you find out the nature of HOJ. Says a lot about you though that you hung around FR, none of it good.

what is FR?
 
According to the thread title, McCain is blaming the TEAt party..
If Dems do it, we're partisan..
When Repubs do it, they're RINO's..
But wait, these Repubs are truly making me LOL with their quips..

While the label of libertarian gets thrown around way too often, you would be hard pressed describing anyone with a moderate socially conservative streak as such. And most of the TP bunch seems rather strongly entrenched in that camp
 
According to the thread title, McCain is blaming the TEAt party..
If Dems do it, we're partisan..
When Repubs do it, they're RINO's..
But wait, these Repubs are truly making me LOL with their quips..



I'm a Libertarian.. not a republican... not a tea partier.

please, learn the difference.
 
what is FR?

An awful place, a political message board that gets nuttier and nuttier with each passing day.

Great for laughs, and to see what tunnel vision will do to people who only get their news from one source.
 
While the label of libertarian gets thrown around way too often, you would be hard pressed describing anyone with a moderate socially conservative streak as such. And most of the TP bunch seems rather strongly entrenched in that camp

I have a lot of libertarian views, but I abhor the Libertarian Party. It is a sad joke, 43 years and they have not ever elected anyone to any high office, just the unopposed flood control boards and the like. They will never get anywhere because everyone in it is so fixated on their individualism that it makes any kind of agreements or compromise impossible.
 
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