• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown[W:181]

Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

joko104 said:
Just more of the Obama administration trying to hurt as many people as possible, knowing the media will blame Republicans for it. I hope this ultimately backfires on him and Democrats.
Click to expand...

Do you ever actually get it right? Not only did the administration not make the decision, but according to the law, it was the required decision.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

Redress said:
snopes.com: Catholic Services in Jeopardy During Government Shutdown

Not surprisingly, you are lying or badly misinformed. The Antideficiency Act makes it illegal for federal workers to perform their job duties during a shutdown except in certain specific circumstances, even on a voluntary basis. The law was passed in 1870. *So unless you are going to suggest that Obama is really over 140 years old you have no point.* And since we all know you would be first in line to bitch if you felt Obama was not obeying the law, this all falls apart as just another example of the right wing blogosphere stupidity.
Click to expand...

more evidence obama *IS* the anti-christ

thx
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

ChezC3 said:
Priest: Obama Admin. Denied Mass to Catholics


Another attack on Religious Liberties by Obama...

Shock me Shock me...
Click to expand...

Nobody is being denied the right to religious worship. The base is closed, that doesn't mean civilian chapels off-post are closed. It also doesn't mean that personnel cannot hold their own chapel services in the barracks or housing, which was an alternative that was given when I was stationed in WSMR, when the government threatened a shutdown in 2011.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

Redress said:
snopes.com: Catholic Services in Jeopardy During Government Shutdown

Not surprisingly, you are lying or badly misinformed. The Antideficiency Act makes it illegal for federal workers to perform their job duties during a shutdown except in certain specific circumstances, even on a voluntary basis. The law was passed in 1870. So unless you are going to suggest that Obama is really over 140 years old you have no point. And since we all know you would be first in line to bitch if you felt Obama was not obeying the law, this all falls apart as just another example of the right wing blogosphere stupidity.
Click to expand...

oh, I see, it's another of Obama's pick and choose which laws to enforce type situation, got it! :thumbs:

and yeah, I'm lying AND I'm badly informed, I mean why didn't I know about the Anti-deficiency Act? or damn you caught me, I knew about the Anti-deficiency act all along, just didn't think anyone else knew about it, foiled again...:roll:
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

Surtr said:
Nobody is being denied the right to religious worship. The base is closed, that doesn't mean civilian chapels off-post are closed. It also doesn't mean that personnel cannot hold their own chapel services in the barracks or housing, which was an alternative that was given when I was stationed in WSMR, when the government threatened a shutdown in 2011.
Click to expand...

What about those who have duty? No cookie for them I suppose... and they said they'd go to jail if they did Mass, part of the Anti-deficiency Act I've been holding back on all you about...;)
 
Last edited:
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

Dr. Chuckles said:
more evidence obama *IS* the anti-christ

thx
Click to expand...



Sarcasm noted but it only applies to those who think there is an Anti-Christ in the singular, there is not, there are many, so they say...
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

ChezC3 said:
What about those who have duty?
Click to expand...
What about them? Service Members go to chapel on their own personal time.

and they said they'd go to jail if the did Mass, part of the Anti-deficiency Act I've been holding back on all you about...;)
Click to expand...
This? What about it? All it does is enforce suspension without pay, or removal from office. Nobody is going to jail.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

Surtr said:
What about them? Service Members go to chapel on their own personal time.
Click to expand...

Unless the Military changed drastically in the almost 20 years I've been gone, on Duty days you can't leave the base.

This? What about it? All it does is enforce suspension without pay, or removal from office. Nobody is going to jail.
Click to expand...

the article and the law that Redress(had to read that part to be in on the joke I suppose) thinks I should have known about or am lying that I didn't know about says you can go to jail even if you are preforming those functions voluntary
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

ChezC3 said:
oh, I see, it's another of Obama's pick and choose which laws to enforce type situation, got it! :thumbs:

and yeah, I'm lying AND I'm badly informed, I mean why didn't I know about the Anti-deficiency Act? or damn you caught me, I knew about the Anti-deficiency act all along, just didn't think anyone else knew about it, foiled again...:roll:
Click to expand...

See, instead of admitting you got it wrong, you just changed it to another attack, this time because Obama did the right thing, and so you imagine that is rare, and attack him for it. This is why most people do not take the rantings of the far right seriously.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

ChezC3 said:
Unless the Military changed drastically in the almost 20 years I've been gone, on Duty days you can't leave the base.
Click to expand...
You can't leave post when on duty. Off-duty, you can go wherever the hell you want, unless you're deployed to a combat zone.

the article and the law that Redress(had to read that part to be in on the joke I suppose) thinks I should have known about or am lying that I didn't know about says you can go to jail even if you are preforming those functions voluntary
Click to expand...
The Anti Deficiency Act doesn't allow for the penalty of imprisonment. If the priest violates the shutdown, all they can do is ban him from the base.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

Redress said:
See, instead of admitting you got it wrong, you just changed it to another attack, this time because Obama did the right thing, and so you imagine that is rare, and attack him for it. This is why most people do not take the rantings of the far right seriously.
Click to expand...

No, I got it right

Obama administration won't enforce VA ban on same-sex benefits - CNN.com

Obama: Hell No We Won't Enforce - The Daily Beast

Michael McConnell: Obama Suspends the Law - WSJ.com

DOMA: Obama Administration's Refusal to Defend Law is Entirely Justified

Obama won't go after marijuana use in 2 states


Every single law he and the Left don't like or don't feel is important he just says, "Ah, piss on it, go ahead, and do as you please"...

but by all means, enforce the Anti-deficiency Act and keep our troops from their religious and spiritual needs...

all that far right color commentary doesn't upset me because it tells me you've not been reading many of my posts, only the one's which attack beloved Leader... tells me who and what to take seriously too...
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

Surtr said:
You can't leave post when on duty. Off-duty, you can go wherever the hell you want, unless you're deployed to a combat zone.


The Anti Deficiency Act doesn't allow for the penalty of imprisonment. If the priest violates the shutdown, all they can do is ban him from the base.
Click to expand...

Well last thing is first. I don't know what it says, I'm going by the article and what Redress said.

Now, there seems to be a failure to communicate here. In the WORLD'S FINEST NAVY we had these things called Duty days, or just pulling duty. it was for 24 hrs. You weren't allowed to leave base and you usually had extra tasks you had to preform and you had watch. Depending on the size of the crew or where you were stationed you could have a 2 day Duty roster or up to 7, maybe further but 7 was the limit that I dealt with. If you had duty, you did not leave that base or ship or you would find yourself at Captain's Mast so fast your head would spin.

this is no longer so? or just not so for the other branches?
 
Last edited:
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

ChezC3 said:
No, I got it right

Obama administration won't enforce VA ban on same-sex benefits - CNN.com

Obama: Hell No We Won't Enforce - The Daily Beast

Michael McConnell: Obama Suspends the Law - WSJ.com

DOMA: Obama Administration's Refusal to Defend Law is Entirely Justified

Obama won't go after marijuana use in 2 states


Every single law he and the Left don't like or don't feel is important he just says, "Ah, piss on it, go ahead, and do as you please"...

but by all means, enforce the Anti-deficiency Act and keep our troops from their religious and spiritual needs...

all that far right color commentary doesn't upset me because it tells me you've not been reading many of my posts, only the one's which attack beloved Leader... tells me who and what to take seriously too...
Click to expand...

hey, if it is that important for the US to provide them with their spiritual needs then feel free to have boehner have a vote on the clean CR. There you go, you can have that service back when you stop shutting things down. Until then suck it up and go find a church. No comfort for you in your little hostage crisis.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

ChezC3 said:
Well last thing is first. I don't know what it say, I'm going by the article and what Redress said.

Now, there seems to be a failure to communicate here. In the WORLD'S FINEST NAVY we had these things called Duty days, or just pulling duty. it was for 24 hrs. You weren't allowed to leave base and you usually had extra tasks you had to preform and you had watch. Depending on the size of the crew or where you were stationed you could have a 2 day Duty roster or up to 7, maybe further but 7 was the limit that I dealt with. If you had duty, you did not leave that base or ship or you would find yourself at Captain's Mast so fast your head would spin.

this is no longer so? or just not so for the other branches?
Click to expand...

Who cares, prayer is not a necessity. It is a perk. Any time they want to have the government re-open then the soldiers will have their prayer where they serve. If not it is tough tittie until the republicans cave.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

tererun said:
hey, if it is that important for the US to provide them with their spiritual needs then feel free to have boehner have a vote on the clean CR. There you go, you can have that service back when you stop shutting things down. Until then suck it up and go find a church. No comfort for you in your little hostage crisis.
Click to expand...

Hey, and maybe, all them boys and girls will get fed up and stop volunteering for the Armed service and maybe then they'll bring back the draft and your little one won't get a choice on whether to be thrown in harms way or not... No comfort there neither....

and you know ol' Barry loves him some wars....
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

ChezC3 said:
Hey, and maybe, all them boys and girls will get fed up and stop volunteering for the Armed service and maybe then they'll bring back the draft and your little one won't get a choice on whether to be thrown in harms way or not... No comfort there neither....

and you know ol' Barry loves him some wars....
Click to expand...

Don't care. How are they going to draft me without a working government? How are they going to draft me when they cannot borrow the money to pay for their war? Not a threat, and no I do not care. Find a better fear mongering tactic or suck it up.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

ChezC3 said:
No, I got it right

Obama administration won't enforce VA ban on same-sex benefits - CNN.com

Obama: Hell No We Won't Enforce - The Daily Beast

Michael McConnell: Obama Suspends the Law - WSJ.com

DOMA: Obama Administration's Refusal to Defend Law is Entirely Justified

Obama won't go after marijuana use in 2 states


Every single law he and the Left don't like or don't feel is important he just says, "Ah, piss on it, go ahead, and do as you please"...

but by all means, enforce the Anti-deficiency Act and keep our troops from their religious and spiritual needs...

all that far right color commentary doesn't upset me because it tells me you've not been reading many of my posts, only the one's which attack beloved Leader... tells me who and what to take seriously too...
Click to expand...

See, I called it. Bitch when he does not enforce the law, bitch when he does. You don't have an ideology beyond being anto-obama.

That is not to mention that your sources don't show what you think they do, and that Obama is not keeping the troops from religious and spiritual needs, and the irony of bitching that Obama is following the law, and bitching that during a government shutdown things are *gasp* shut down, all of that makes this thread hilarious.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

tererun said:
Don't care. How are they going to draft me without a working government? How are they going to draft me when they cannot borrow the money to pay for their war? Not a threat, and no I do not care. Find a better fear mongering tactic or suck it up.
Click to expand...

I didn't think you did, you're an abortion supporter, right?

They've done plenty so far without a working government.

Oh, they'll find the money, don't you worry...

No, it wasn't a threat, just a guess at what will come when the men and women grow tire of the Unthinking Left and their hyperbole and hypocrisy...
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

Redress said:
See, I called it. Bitch when he does not enforce the law, bitch when he does. You don't have an ideology beyond being anto-obama.

That is not to mention that your sources don't show what you think they do, and that Obama is not keeping the troops from religious and spiritual needs, and the irony of bitching that Obama is following the law, and bitching that during a government shutdown things are *gasp* shut down, all of that makes this thread hilarious.
Click to expand...

See, you called what?

I'm bitching that Obama isn't enforcing ALL THE LAW. You don't have an ideology past whatever is up Obama's ass...

My sources don't show what I think they do? What, you gotta Obama viewfinder for Christmas and only you and the "special people" -- the chosen few see things clearly using Obamavision?
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

ChezC3 said:
See, you called what?

I'm bitching that Obama isn't enforcing ALL THE LAW. You don't have an ideology past whatever is up Obama's ass...

My sources don't show what I think they do? What, you gotta Obama viewfinder for Christmas and only you and the "special people" -- the chosen few see things clearly using Obamavision?
Click to expand...

But Obama is following the law here, so you are bitching about Obama doing what you claim he should do. This is something you could have found out by taking 30 seconds to fact check. The whole premise of your thread is based on misinformation.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

Redress said:
But Obama is following the law here, so you are bitching about Obama doing what you claim he should do. This is something you could have found out by taking 30 seconds to fact check. The whole premise of your thread is based on misinformation.
Click to expand...

Right, he's picking and choosing like I originally said.

No, my thread is correct.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

Redress said:
But Obama is following the law here, so you are bitching about Obama doing what you claim he should do. This is something you could have found out by taking 30 seconds to fact check. The whole premise of your thread is based on misinformation.
Click to expand...

What's further after doing that 30 sec fact check the law does allow for volunteers if specifically authorized. And shock me shock me, what was specifically authorized in the past? THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.

The law doesn't ban all voluntary serivce only voluntary service which could lead to a claim against the government for future compensation.


Which wouldn't be the case in this for instance


http://www.bsnlawfirm.com/newsletter/OP0413_Natter.pdf


So yes, my original post is correct. He is a punitive, snot nosed SOB...
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

ChezC3 said:
I didn't think you did, you're an abortion supporter, right?
Click to expand...

What does that have to do with this because as far as I know the us does not pay for abortions
ChezC3 said:
They've done plenty so far without a working government.

Oh, they'll find the money, don't you worry...

No, it wasn't a threat, just a guess at what will come when the men and women grow tire of the Unthinking Left and their hyperbole and hypocrisy...
Click to expand...

You are right, that is not a threat, it is baseless fear mongering. Oh noes I am going to be drafted because of this. Really, you think I am worried about that happening? People will not stop signing up for the service just because they do not have preists available at that exavt moment for them to pray. Really you think some kid is sitting there signing up and says I don't think so because I heard that I might have to pray on my own at5 some times if the government is shut down. Now if you really want to talk seriously the VA might be an issue, but still kids are not worried that far in the future, and there is always another person to sign up. Find a better tactic because that one was really bad.
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

tererun said:
What does that have to do with this because as far as I know the us does not pay for abortions
Click to expand...

WORLD | Vital Signs: Government approves tax-funded abortions | Alissa Robertson | Oct. 7, 2013

but that wasn't the point...

You are right, that is not a threat, it is baseless fear mongering. Oh noes I am going to be drafted because of this. Really, you think I am worried about that happening? People will not stop signing up for the service just because they do not have preists available at that exavt moment for them to pray. Really you think some kid is sitting there signing up and says I don't think so because I heard that I might have to pray on my own at5 some times if the government is shut down. Now if you really want to talk seriously the VA might be an issue, but still kids are not worried that far in the future, and there is always another person to sign up. Find a better tactic because that one was really bad.
Click to expand...


No, and it wasn't fear mongering it was a statement that these people volunteer and put their life on the line, and because you have some sucka in office who has a hissy fit, they can't get what I remember for some was a very important part of their week. This does lead to low morale. Your blatant disregard for the Armed Services well being, your frankly disgusting indifference to what many find and hold most valuable is appalling beyond words, which is why I made an exaggerated claim showing a possible end result to what can only be viewed as obtuse and ungrateful behavior

It seems bad, only because you didn't understand. Makes your brainy hurt, I know...
 
Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

When you were a kid, did you ever get tormented by a bully who dared you to do anything about it, just because the bully could? I think that this is much the same.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom